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Day 1...black smoke

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    In case any of you are really excited about this, it seems like the media cameras are fixed on the Vatican chimney...and black smoke just came out. Ha! No pope today.

    Any predictions on when the next pope will be chosen? Predictions on who the next pope will be??

    I know Dutch must be really excited and tuned into this. Ha!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    For the record, I predict Angelo Scola from Milan, Italy.

    I'll go out and by a 6 pack of Peroni Nastro Azzurro and drink to that prediction now.

    Wikipedia: Angelo Scola

    PS -- I'm not a supporter...just reading the politics.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    I haven't read any of your suggestion yet, but I am really hoping for a non-European. I just think it is time for a noteworthy change, and not more of the same-old again.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Michaels -- As a starting point I suggest Comedy Central's, March Madness: The Papal Names Tournament
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    I too would like to see the new pope not be from Europe. I heard early on that they were considering a pope to come from Africa. That may just have been the Vatican being politically correct. Italy does have a statistical advantage.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt Wrote: In case any of you are really excited about this, it seems like the media cameras are fixed on the Vatican chimney...and black smoke just came out. Ha! No pope today.

    Any predictions on when the next pope will be chosen? Predictions on who the next pope will be??

    I know Dutch must be really excited and tuned into this. Ha!
    Yes!! I just wonder if the show of Les Miserables is simular; or is it a dress rehearsal for the Emmy's? They must like "red", I guess because of all the
    Ferrari's they own. It is time the Muslims start something like it, because they must be yealous of all the costumes and the total circus by a bunch of very old senile tax evading ding dongs. If I was the Italian government I would cite them for poluting the air; they've got money enough so no problem to pay a hefty fine. But to my great amazement they did not invite anyone from upstairs to make the selection; probably on vacation in Jupiter with his whole family. Yeah I wished I had a job like those guys; but I hate to dress like that and go to the Walmart in it.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Schmidt....nice viewing, and I decided I like Innocence and Pius, but not Hilarius. This last one just sounds so "cheezy" to me.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    TJ Wrote: I too would like to see the new pope not be from Europe. I heard early on that they were considering a pope to come from Africa. That may just have been the Vatican being politically correct. Italy does have a statistical advantage.
    I saw on TV an interview of a US bishop; he said that he thinks that they will elect a US originated Pope, because the US has the money and the Italians are broke. So that gives a very clear picture, "money" is the real "god" for this church.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Wouldn't that be interesting. Interesting Catholic issue is an increased role for women in the church. It's 2013 and no women priests seems a bit out dated. Nothing the Catholics like to discuss. A women knows her place and it's not in a position of control, seems to be their view.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Just an aside Tony. Being raised a catholic, there sure used to be women priests in the Eastern rite of the Catholic Church. I'm not sure how long, and I have no idea how or why this was restricted to just the east, or even IF it exists today. I thought the Catholic Church was supposed to be universal, but obviously in this one instance it was not.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    michaels39301 Wrote: Just an aside Tony. Being raised a catholic, there sure used to be women priests in the Eastern rite of the Catholic Church. I'm not sure how long, and I have no idea how or why this was restricted to just the east, or even IF it exists today. I thought the Catholic Church was supposed to be universal, but obviously in this one instance it was not.
    I do not know if you did see their own Vatican army; it looks like they do not have a second Amendmend, if you look at the weapons and helmets!!
    I gues in their thinking they are still stuck into that period as well; what a circus, unbelievable!!
  • Other Party
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    And about those weapons and helmets...the Papal Swiss Guard was founded over 500 years ago and seem to have have remained largely unchanged since then. They have a renaissance appearance and seem to be largely ceremonial in the way they dress and their weapons. Do they have Uzi's under those robes? No idea.\

    I think the "circus" appearance is completely intentional. What other reason could be?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    The uniform is dated back to 1500's ,or as some historians think. The Swiss Guards were a mercernary group of mountaineers well known for their fierceness and loyalty, and their fighting skills, they were employed by different Kingdoms in Italy in what was known as the italy Wars, different city-states /kingdoms were always at war with one or the other so they ( the Helventians as they were called) were always at work, when the Borgias and the French King and his allies in Rome came into conflict, the Vatican employed some 100 or so of the Swiss guard to protect the Pope and the Vatican City, the troops swore an oath of unchanging loyalty to the Pope and even during the sack of Rome by Spanish troops which left all but 12 dead, they still refused to change their allegience, and so to this day The Swiss Guard symbolicly will not change their ways which apparently includes their uniforms.
  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: The uniform is dated back to 1500's ,or as some historians think. The Swiss Guards were a mercernary group of mountaineers well known for their fierceness and loyalty, and their fighting skills, they were employed by different Kingdoms in Italy in what was known as the italy Wars, different city-states /kingdoms were always at war with one or the other so they ( the Helventians as they were called) were always at work, when the Borgias and the French King and his allies in Rome came into conflict, the Vatican employed some 100 or so of the Swiss guard to protect the Pope and the Vatican City, the troops swore an oath of unchanging loyalty to the Pope and even during the sack of Rome by Spanish troops which left all but 12 dead, they still refused to change their allegience, and so to this day The Swiss Guard symbolicly will not change their ways which apparently includes their uniforms.
    I just wonder why a church needs its own army for? Regardless if it is only ceremonial; the fun of weapons and helmets should be reserved for the army and the NRA. Anyway I guess in the old days they needed these to drag the "witches" to the "firy stake" and to murder the Templars.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: The uniform is dated back to 1500's ,or as some historians think. The Swiss Guards were a mercernary group of mountaineers well known for their fierceness and loyalty, and their fighting skills, they were employed by different Kingdoms in Italy in what was known as the italy Wars, different city-states /kingdoms were always at war with one or the other so they ( the Helventians as they were called) were always at work, when the Borgias and the French King and his allies in Rome came into conflict, the Vatican employed some 100 or so of the Swiss guard to protect the Pope and the Vatican City, the troops swore an oath of unchanging loyalty to the Pope and even during the sack of Rome by Spanish troops which left all but 12 dead, they still refused to change their allegience, and so to this day The Swiss Guard symbolicly will not change their ways which apparently includes their uniforms.
    I just wonder why a church needs its own army for? Regardless if it is only ceremonial; the fun of weapons and helmets should be reserved for the army and the NRA. Anyway I guess in the old days they needed these to drag the "witches" to the "firy stake" and to murder the Templars.
    They have them for .... I think you got it right.