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Keep your ugly fingers off my Constitution

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    unitedmajority Wrote:
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    unitedmajority Wrote:

    If the Constitution is changed because of the 2nd Amendment, more changes will happen and after it is all said and done, the majority will be powerless and the best Constitution in the world will be dead dead dead. Our Constitution is the only thing keeping the government from becoming a complete dictatorship, the system is using the NRA as a reason to put their ugly fingers into motion, many on this site are all for it too.
    I whole heartily agree with the majority of your argument united, but I would take issue with the above paragraph. It is extremely hard to change our Constitution and that is on purpose. I have not heard much discussion about some's desire to alter the Constitution, so I'm hesitant to express an opinion about that topic, but whatever talk of altering our Constitution is being done by individuals that don't necessarily understand the complexities of making that talk a reality. There is a reason that the Founders made it hard to change the document and I don't see how an argument about assault rifles will lead to it being changed.

    Besides the complexities of actually adding an Amendment to the Constitution, I am not sure that an Amendment to take away one of the Bill of Rights would even be allowed under our Constitution. It's a document I have read hundreds of times and I wouldn't have a guess as to if it would be allowed or not. It doesn't explicitly say that it doesn't allow them to be repealed, but it does say that the Bill of Rights are guaranteed as inalienable rights. I would be hesitant to believe that 2/3 of the House and Senate and then 3/4 of the States voting in the affirmative would allow any of those rights to be stripped from them.

    Like I said, I agree with pretty much the entirety of your argument but believe that the American people would never vote to have their inalienable rights taken from them. On the other hand, our Government and multinational corporations have done a tremendous job EXPLOITING our Constitution to their advantage and the only true people that we can then blame is US. We citizens have become lazy with regards to our Governing structure and have pretty much allowed our Government to become the way that they are. It is now on us to change it. If you think it's impossible, just look at former Presidents like Teddy Roosevelt that went after the major corporations and broke apart the major railroad companies of the time. It can be done again, but we as a citizenry have to make it happen.
    I hope you are right about the Constitution being safe from change. Yes I heard our President suggest that our Constitution is out dated in the beginning of his first term, now people are saying our Constitution is dead dead dead. Yes we have the best Constitution in the world for the majority, this is why lobby controlled politicians say words like dead when it comes to the majority favored Constitution.

    Your last paragraph is very important to me. I agree 100 percent with your words. Yes it is up to us to do something, and you are right, we sat back while our government was infested with lobbiest control, leading to our present, jobs being sent to a communist country and our jobs being done by the modern day slaves here and in Mexico. None of this is acceptable to the majority, yet our politicians did exactly that, crazy. For sure it is far past time for our majority to get off our lazy attitude when it comes to governing our country. As far as us ever getting another president like Teddy that does not get shot, I think those days are long past, it is up to the majority to take a stand against the out of control system, they can’t shoot all of us right?
    Like I said in several of the "threads"; our country is run by "greed", "lobbyists", "billionairs", "churches", "the military". Constitutions are in the background and only pulled forward if it suits them at a given time.
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    Dutch,
    as some one mentioned not too long ago, OUR Constitution of the United States, is not written for the government, like so many have been convinced to believe. The Constitution of the United States is wrtten for the majority. The only problem todate, the majority doesn't use it to do it's purpose, govern our government.
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    unitedmajority Wrote: Dutch,
    as some one mentioned not too long ago, OUR Constitution of the United States, is not written for the government, like so many have been convinced to believe. The Constitution of the United States is wrtten for the majority. The only problem todate, the majority doesn't use it to do it's purpose, govern our government.
    Quite well said; It says "We the People", But yeah; the government consists also of "people"; the only difference is they live on a seperate island which is called DC. Also it is true "majorities" rule; which are in this case; "lobbyists, billionairs,.................
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    Dutch Wrote:
    unitedmajority Wrote: Dutch,
    as some one mentioned not too long ago, OUR Constitution of the United States, is not written for the government, like so many have been convinced to believe. The Constitution of the United States is wrtten for the majority. The only problem todate, the majority doesn't use it to do it's purpose, govern our government.
    Quite well said; It says "We the People", But yeah; the government consists also of "people"; the only difference is they live on a seperate island which is called DC. Also it is true "majorities" rule; which are in this case; "lobbyists, billionairs,.................
    When the majority realizes they need to unite to stop the billionair lobbyist, then we will have a government for and by us, as long as no one gets away with changing the Constitution in the mean time.
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    Pushing for term limits would be a good start.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Pushing for term limits would be a good start.
    I said so in my "threads" many times; but as I said as well who will have the guts to do so?
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    Where I live , there is a procedure for placing on the ballot any question of merit that needs to be adressed by the electorate, its a called a referandum, I tried but I could'nt get enough signatures on a petition for it to be placed on the ballot. Here in Phila. the political party in charge has become so corrupt and entrenched that even the three (3) member Election Commission is useless, any attempt at reform gets so tied up in ligation that an entire election cycle begins and ends, without any reform,and the circle starts all over again from scratch.So what I guess what I am saying is that we get the government we want and elect.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Where I live , there is a procedure for placing on the ballot any question of merit that needs to be adressed by the electorate, its a called a referandum, I tried but I could'nt get enough signatures on a petition for it to be placed on the ballot. Here in Phila. the political party in charge has become so corrupt and entrenched that even the three (3) member Election Commission is useless, any attempt at reform gets so tied up in ligation that an entire election cycle begins and ends, without any reform,and the circle starts all over again from scratch.So what I guess what I am saying is that we get the government we want and elect.
    I guess I'm just wondering if that is quite true. As you describe it is more or less the "bureaucracy" which screws it up; As an example if you belong to the NRA then you get certain things done, so if you only belong to an "election commitee", then you get stuck in paperwork and procedures. So the best thing is by doing this outside any "party" which is bogged down in procedures and instead start a "lobby" with an attractive name and money in the bank, then you may succeed. As you know the Washington culture is a difficult entity to penetrate, especially if you do not belong or fit into their culture. The other thing is that it goes in against their own objectives; thus a hard sell for sure.