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  • Center Left
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    North Korea says it is scrapping all non-aggression pacts with South Korea, closing its hotline with Seoul and shutting their shared border point.
    The announcement follows a fresh round of UN sanctions punishing Pyongyang for its nuclear test last month.
    Earlier, Pyongyang said it reserved the right to a pre-emptive nuclear strike against its "aggressors".
    The US said it took the threats seriously, but that "extreme rhetoric" was not unusual for Pyongyang.
    The North Korean announcement, carried on the KCNA state news agency, said the North was cancelling all non-aggression pacts with the South and closing the main Panmunjom border crossing inside the Demilitarized Zone.

    The threatened pre-emptive nuclear strike seems more bluff than reality, since the North's leaders know it would be suicidal

    It also said it was notifying the South that it was "immediately" cutting off the North-South hotline.
    The hotline, installed in 1971, is intended as a means of direct communication at a time of high tension, but is also used to co-ordinate the passage of people and goods through the heavily fortified Demilitarized Zone.
    KCNA said the hotline, which has been severed several times before, "can no longer perform its mission due to the prevailing grave situation".
    'Suicide'
    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is also reported to have visited front-line military units that were involved in the shelling of a South Korean island in 2010.
    KCNA said he had urged the soldiers there to keep themselves ready to "annihilate the enemy" at any time, and reconfirmed so-called "enemy targets" on five islands in the West Sea.
    The US, the main focus of North Korean ire, said it was capable of protecting itself and its allies from any attacks.
    "One has to take what any government says seriously," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said of the nuclear threat.
    "It is for that reason that I repeat here that we are fully capable of defending the United States. But I would also say that this kind of extreme rhetoric has not been unusual for this regime, unfortunately."
    Senator Robert Menendez, who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said North Korea knew what the cost of any attack would be.
    "I don't think that the regime in Pyongyang wants to commit suicide, but that as they must surely know, that would be the result of any attack on the United States," he said.
    On Thursday, the UN Security Council in New York unanimously backed Resolution 2094, imposing the fourth set of sanctions against the North.
    The resolution targets North Korean diplomats, cash transfers and access to luxury goods.
    It imposes asset freezes and travel bans on three individuals and two firms linked to North Korea's military.
    South Korea's ambassador to the UN, Kim Sook, said it was time for North Korea to "wake up from its delusion" of becoming a nuclear state.
    "It can either take the right path toward a bright future and prosperity, or it can take a bad road toward further and deeper isolation and eventual self-destruction," he said.
    US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said the sanctions would "further constrain" North Korea's ability to develop its nuclear programme.
    She warned that the UN would "take further significant actions" if Pyongyang were to carry out another nuclear test.
    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang issued a statement supporting the UN resolution and describing it as a "moderate response".
    He said China - North Korea's sole ally - urged "relevant parties" to stay calm and said the main priority was to "defuse the tensions, bring down heat" and restart negotiations with Pyongyang.
    Before the UN vote, Pyongyang accused the US of pushing to start a war.
    "As long as the United States is willing to spark nuclear war, our forces will exercise their right to a pre-emptive nuclear strike," said North Korea's foreign ministry, in a statement carried by the KCNA news agency.
  • Independent
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    Suicide for North Korea, but would it not be suicide for America to step in, if North Korea attacks South Korea? Remember who North Korea's greatest alley is, China, China helped them in the first Korean War, wouldn't China help them again if they decide to attack South Korea, of course China will help North Korea, they are alleys. North Korea is smaller than us, but with China their best friend, they are larger than us by far. Maybe this is what China is waiting for, us to commit suicide in the 2nd Korean War? History does repeat, and it is clear we don't remember the first Korean War.
  • Other Party
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    The only thing that we know for sure about North Korea is that we don't know anything for sure. For decades they have made endless threats against the US and South Korea, Japan and anyone else they can think of. They hope to get paid off and it sometimes works with free food, free oil...

    Why are Americans stationed in South Korea? They are the hook to drag us into a shooting war between the Koreas. N Korea attacks S Korea, US soldiers get killed, America has justification to get in the war. How much would we get involved? I hope we never find out.

    2nd Korean War seems possible. We are currently in the second Vietnam War just not located in Vietnam, no America does not learn.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: The only thing that we know for sure about North Korea is that we don't know anything for sure. For decades they have made endless threats against the US and South Korea, Japan and anyone else they can think of. They hope to get paid off and it sometimes works with free food, free oil...

    Why are Americans stationed in South Korea? They are the hook to drag us into a shooting war between the Koreas. N Korea attacks S Korea, US soldiers get killed, America has justification to get in the war. How much would we get involved? I hope we never find out.

    2nd Korean War seems possible. We are currently in the second Vietnam War just not located in Vietnam, no America does not learn.
    Yes, indeed. My point is do not make too much of it; countries like that and like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc. will be their own undoing because at a given moment it will collapse by itself. Syria is busy doing that and eventually Iran will follow the same path. History has learned us that certain government experiments which are drastic related to tried and proven types of governments will always loose. Look at Hitler, he tried something different and lost in a big way and gave socialism a bad name. The same as the USSR, communism did not work either. The China communism is pure fake, 80 leaders in that country are multi millionairs; however the poor stay poor communists. What a joke.
  • Democrat
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    If nuclear armed North Korea were to attack any of our allies, or God forbid, somehow the U.S., we would wipe them off the face of the earth for sure. Kim might be that dumb or arrogant, and he and his followers might be like the Islamics in considering their own death that way as a religious victory, promising them eternal glory. Whatever the case might be, I feel that our nation is up to the task, and can and will handle it sensibly. By sensibly, I mean militarily without nuclear if that would be adequate, but nuclear if the situation called for it. I have to say that I am more than happy that Mitt Romney and the Republicans are not at the controls.
  • Other Party
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    Well the scary thing is those "leaders" with nukes may do some foolish/desperate thing if they see that they are losing their power. To export terrorism is one thing, to export nuclear terrorism would be a whole different scenario. I heard a report that said Chavez had 11 Billion dollars, yes 11 BILLION in his bank account when he left the building. If that is true, maybe he did not care quite as much for the poor of his country as he seemed to.
  • Democrat
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    Wow jamesn $11 billion? Probably more than the net worth of Venezuela. I wonder who he stole all that from? I bet he sure has some happy relatives and benefactors.
  • Independent
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    michaels39301 Wrote: If nuclear armed North Korea were to attack any of our allies, or God forbid, somehow the U.S., we would wipe them off the face of the earth for sure. Kim might be that dumb or arrogant, and he and his followers might be like the Islamics in considering their own death that way as a religious victory, promising them eternal glory. Whatever the case might be, I feel that our nation is up to the task, and can and will handle it sensibly. By sensibly, I mean militarily without nuclear if that would be adequate, but nuclear if the situation called for it. I have to say that I am more than happy that Mitt Romney and the Republicans are not at the controls.
    No, I doubt if they are that foolish to start any nuclear something; it is pure posturing nothing else. First of all China will not allow it, becauseany fall out will also impact their country as well may the rest of the region. It is pure hitting themselves on the chest " See what I'm capable of, we are at least a world power and have to be taken seriously" It is pure an inferiority complex nothing else. If we refuse to see that, than we will be the suckers in the end to get drawn into this childs play.
  • Center Left
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    I also hope that this can be settled with diplomacy and negotiations. I agree with you Dutch, I believe that NK has an inferiority complex. Hopefully they will find a better way to channel this. Luckily China supported the sanctions. If there were a military action, I don't see us putting boots on the ground. I don't think drone strikes are an answer here. I believe air strikes is the method that would be taken. We don't know for sure. Like I said, hopefully this can be handled with diplomacy.
    Considering China's support for NK, I wonder if they are providing humanitarian aid to NK. Maybe they could build them a city with high rise buildings. That might help their inferiority complex.
  • Democrat
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    Heck Tony, they just need to move them (N. Koreans) into the humongous cities that they have vacant, as was seen on TV and my report on here. They (the cities) are just sitting there gathering dust, so why not use them?
  • Center Left
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    Yeah michaels,
    It was your post on the 60 minutes story that I was referring to. Too funny.
  • Democrat
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    Tony, I thought you said BUILD them a city, and I commented because these cities are already built.
  • Center Left
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    michaels39301 Wrote: Tony, I thought you said BUILD them a city, and I commented because these cities are already built.
    I did say build them a city. I figure the Chinese are willing to spend money and with over 1 B in population I figured they didn't need any new immigrants. Plus they're allies with NK.
  • Democrat
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    May Drones hovering over them be in their future.

    We, the United States of America, don't need drones to watch them. All the talk against the use of drones, most people do not have the technical reaching knowledge of knowing that there are Satellites that circle the world and have extremely good eyes to the ground. There's even special/xray vision lens that can see through specific materials. Back in the 70's we had the technology that would monitor ships at sea and could get heat signatures on bodies walking around and within walls of the vessel. That satellite is so far up that most don't even think that survelliance has other tools. Although the drone offers vision much like a camera lens, the satellite pictures require processing and is much more expensive. The drone is a much cost effective way to deal with threats against the nation. Just don't rule out the satellites, they can watch us all.

    I understand North Korea's beloved President is laid to rest in glass for all to see for eternity. There's an old Catholic belief that while past Popes lie in rest similarily, if the body does not decompose, it is truly a blessed Pope. I wonder?

    Go ahead North Korea, your move will be your last. There's a lonely single submarine several thousand miles away at sea with your number (Lat & Long Target data) on a few ICBM's. One ICBM with 10 or more warheads would do it. Like that famous Dirty Harry quote, "Make my day!". After the destruction, we can make coke bottles out of all the glass on the ground.

    I would hope for humanity that our leaders can all use diplomacy and avert a human tragedy, such as, a nuclear war or any war. I understand that the new North Korean President is twenty-eight years old and may not be of mature mind. Most 28 year olds can't see the impact of decisions they make and will often make mistakes. We all live by mistakes and we grow older and wiser as we mature, just not as quick for a 28 year old. Deciding on a preemptive strike, possibly nuclear, would be a grave mistake that will be costly in human life, especially for North Korea.

    I hope and pray that North Korea is just rattling their swords and it is all talk rather than action.
  • Democrat
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    North Korea is just rattling a sword, China would not allow a attack of that nature because of the ramifications , a nuclear winter is a very deadly thing, there are no winners, only losers, the suriviors will face long term cancers and starvation, most water supplies will polluted, and of course climate change, due to the various dust clouds that will hover over the planet because of a Nuclear exchange of weapons, no this just sword rattling, if the new Dictator of North Korea wanted South Korea he would just attack across the border and let the Superpowers talk about the reasons why the incursion occurred and what will North Korea want from South Korea to return to their previous border. Boys with toys have a need to play with them.