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  • Democrat
    Kansas
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    So, the stock market is at an all time high, with corporations holding more money than wever, while wages have stagnated for the middle class. News reports showing more income being held by the top 1 % than since the Great Depression. Congress has allowed corporations to take jobs overseas and allow them to not pay taxes. We have corporate welfare (subsidies to corporations) to almost $1 trillion per year with declining taxes on corporations. When is the middle class going to march/riot as the teens did in the'60's over the Vietnam War?
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    roberts I have wondered the same thing over the past decade about the Iraq and Afghanistan war. Why were there almost no marches/riots about these new wars because they are and were just as senseless as Vietnam. A few protest now and then but nothing like the Vietnam protests of the 60's. No draft now like there was then would be part of the reason. Still all those lives and all that money being wasted just like Vietnam in the 60's.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jamesn Wrote: roberts I have wondered the same thing over the past decade about the Iraq and Afghanistan war. Why were there almost no marches/riots about these new wars because they are and were just as senseless as Vietnam. A few protest now and then but nothing like the Vietnam protests of the 60's. No draft now like there was then would be part of the reason. Still all those lives and all that money being wasted just like Vietnam in the 60's.
    Yes you are absolutely right; we would not be inall that shit if these wars would have been limited and we would have only gone after the real culprits. I just saw onthe news that the number of billinairs has risen to over 1400, which somehow implies that huge amounts of money are infact withdrawn out of the economy, which stagnates growth. However the Caymans and Bermuda are doing great. In other words the gap between rich and poor has gotten only larger.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Hey Dutch, the main problem I see here is as you say, the rich get richer because THEY are in control and THEY are making the laws, and the rest of us get nada. I consider myself comfortable, but that's it. That tells me that as rich as these rich guys are, there are also so many poor, who are as poor as these rich guys are rich. And to think that America is supposed to be the land of equal opportunity for all. TOTAL B.S.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    michaels39301 Wrote: Hey Dutch, the main problem I see here is as you say, the rich get richer because THEY are in control and THEY are making the laws, and the rest of us get nada. I consider myself comfortable, but that's it. That tells me that as rich as these rich guys are, there are also so many poor, who are as poor as these rich guys are rich. And to think that America is supposed to be the land of equal opportunity for all. TOTAL B.S.
    Yes, I hope you read the story "left" wrote, related to being poor.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    I probably did Dutch, but I am not positive. Can you give me the name of the thread and the date of it?
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    michaels39301 Wrote: I probably did Dutch, but I am not positive. Can you give me the name of the thread and the date of it?
    I tried to find it; it was not too long ago; he mentioned that he had nothing to eat just about for two years etc. Around the same time he wrote about that the doctor gave him a couple of weeks etc.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Dutch Wrote:
    michaels39301 Wrote: I probably did Dutch, but I am not positive. Can you give me the name of the thread and the date of it?
    I tried to find it; it was not too long ago; he mentioned that he had nothing to eat just about for two years etc. Around the same time he wrote about that the doctor gave him a couple of weeks etc.
    I found it: Topic: The poor must go! His "thread" of 2-13-2013 at 7:21 PM
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Many thanks, I'll check it out.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    ok Dutch, I re-read the whole thread and postings. He sure has experienced some of the lowest and worse-off people in this country. As I said in some of my posts there, Obama seems to be offering even the poorest of these--not a gift--but encouraging words to use the public education system to get themselves up off the ground floor and into the midst of our society. These individuals/families are already very likely getting their rent, groceries, and healthcare from the taxpayers, so he is challenging them to take full advantage of the educational system in this country, and actually do this one great thing for themselves----> get an education. And once they do that, and maybe even go beyond high school, they will begin to realize the possibilities our country has for them.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    michaels39301 Wrote: ok Dutch, I re-read the whole thread and postings. He sure has experienced some of the lowest and worse-off people in this country. As I said in some of my posts there, Obama seems to be offering even the poorest of these--not a gift--but encouraging words to use the public education system to get themselves up off the ground floor and into the midst of our society. These individuals/families are already very likely getting their rent, groceries, and healthcare from the taxpayers, so he is challenging them to take full advantage of the educational system in this country, and actually do this one great thing for themselves----> get an education. And once they do that, and maybe even go beyond high school, they will begin to realize the possibilities our country has for them.
    Yes, I fully agree. The only little problem is our education system itself; it caters too little to the real life situations in the industry. It is nice to know "algebra" but did you actually ever use it in practise? Therefore it would be recommendable to get teachers who worked in the industry before they became teachers; most teachers have no clue of what is out there.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    I was a chemist and research fellow for over 30 years in the pressure-sensitive adhesive and silicone coated release liner industry. I used algebra on a daily basis. Let me give one small example: Let's say you are coating a silicone formulation for a customer, and the order is nearing completion. However your formula is running out, and you certainly do not need a full batch of 300 pounds to complete the job. How do you figure how much more of a specific batch to formulate? Let me assure you this is about a 1 minute calculation using ALGEBRA. I could give you a specific example, but I don't have the time to construct the formula and explain the variable right now. I promise it is really simple.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    michaels39301 Wrote: I was a chemist and research fellow for over 30 years in the pressure-sensitive adhesive and silicone coated release liner industry. I used algebra on a daily basis. Let me give one small example: Let's say you are coating a silicone formulation for a customer, and the order is nearing completion. However your formula is running out, and you certainly do not need a full batch of 300 pounds to complete the job. How do you figure how much more of a specific batch to formulate? Let me assure you this is about a 1 minute calculation using ALGEBRA. I could give you a specific example, but I don't have the time to construct the formula and explain the variable right now. I promise it is really simple.
    I just gave an example; sure you were in a postion where you used it; but how many students in your class did not ever used it? I worked first in the oil industry (Shell Canada) studied geophysics; did not need algebra; then in the aircraft industry; first in maintenance cost studies; sales of parts, then sales of the aircraft; then para legal in these sales; contract design/negotiation worldwide etc. Never used "algebra" But instead a lot of practical issues.
    Indeed there are plenty of industries which need "algebra" like yours; I'm not saying the schools should not teach this, but teachers schould be experienced in what the job market is looking for in relation to skills etc. When I came to the States sent out by the company) I had to work with 80% US personel. What I noticed directly that most of them were only having knowledge in a very narrow band; very little flexibility in other area's
    I must say that training in Europe goes a bit farther than here; some colleges here are changing that but you have to pay a lot for it.
    But regardles of that I do not know anything about the chemical industry, but you do. But since I hobby a lot with cars, I get involved with mixing paints and sealant use and its properties etc.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    michaels and dutch --

    Your discussion has highlighted what I see as a problem with the way we use math in everyday situations. In our generation, we didn't have pocket calculators until later in the workplace. I used a slide rule, but our professors stressed the importance of doing "rough calculations" in your head so that you would not come up with a stupid answer. With experience in any field, experienced people can do rough estimates and get pretty close.

    Those that handled money did a lot of mental arithmetic. Old time cashiers in mom and pop grocery stores had to do quick mental arithmetic in making change. If the price was $12.36, and you gave them a "20" they would automatically give you back $7.64 without so much as a pause to think about it.

    I don't see that ability in so many young cashiers now. Everything is scanned and the change calculated automatically. If for instance I gave them a "20" and as an afterthought I then threw in the 14 cents in my pocket to make it an even $7.50 in change some young cashiers would be totally confused. They could not do the arithmetic in their head. That has happened to me more than once, and I don't do it anymore unless I give it at the same time as the 20 so they can ring in the small change with the 20.

    I'm sure all that simple arithmetic is taught in grade schools, but few people in the workplace have the opportunity to apply those skills anymore. It's all computers and calculators. Use it or lose it.
  • Democrat
    Portsmouth, VA
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    I don't know if anyone realizes that our schools have lowered the standards to the point where most high school graduates must take remedial courses for the first year of college. Some of the big banks are hiring foreigners (who don't pay taxes here) stating there are not enough qualified people here. When someone decided it would hinder self-esteem to repeat a grade, and that any dicipline was prevented in the class schools graduate students even if they don't do their work. Middle and low class people have to have both parents working to the point where they cannot help the children with school work and funds don't allow the needed extra help many students need. So now our students can't compete in the world at jobs that make a decent salary. The other issues is the jobs our society values leaves the helping field paid at a non livalbe pay level.