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  • Democrat
    Hampton, VA
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    Medicade and medicare are not the programs that need overhauling, it is the welfare system that does. I have no problem with my taxes helping people who are less fortunate and really need the assistance. I have a problem with single mothers who have 3 and 4 children just to get the welfare benefits. Let me explain.. the most common situations..

    1- The mother usually doesn't know who the father(s) are or they are unemployed or in jail and can't contribute to the child's welfare

    2- The mother can't work because she can't afford child care and has no job training or skills

    3- The child (or children) are deemed to have behavioral (ADAH) problems. The mother will receive food stamps. housing and medicade and in addition over $600.00 per child, tax free.

    One mother went before a magistrate and he asked her if she was employed. She said "Are you crazy? I get $5,000.00 a month, why would I want to work?" Indeed, why would anyone?
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Hey John, I couldn't agree with you more. Using your last example here, she would be a fool to work. She CLEARS $5,000 a month. This is in addition to her free Medicaid, which includes any prescriptions or medical devises that might be needed. She is on easy street, as is evidenced by her becoming simply a baby factory. She may not live in a Hilton, but she is living WAY higher that the average working mother, and I'll guarantee you that she has cash for anything she needs or wants, legal or otherwise.
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    Portland, OR
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    I agree with you to a point, cstjohn, but believe that some of your assumptions are a bit off with regards to these moms that are on assistance. I have spent many years working with at risk youth that have mental and behavioral disabilities and I can assure you that most of these moms are not getting $5,000 a month and living the high life. It is a common misconception, perpetuated by the media and other outlets since the early 1960's, that a vast majority of welfare recipients are single moms that refuse to get work and keep pumping out babies. That is not even remotely close to being true, but a propaganda machine that has been steadily churning for 50 years is hard to push back at.

    Multinational corporations receive twice as much in "welfare" than all of the individual recipients combined. In the last major study of this, that looks at numbers from 2006 but was released in 2012, Multinational corporations received $92 Billion in assistance when all social welfare programs combined cost $59 Billion. I'm sure that difference has only increased due to the Republican's never ending drive to kill as many social programs as they possibly can while shielding corporations from any pain.

    Study after study has shown that birth rates among lower income women has no correlation with how much benefits they think they will get from the government. On average, a single mother receives a meager stipend through a state and federal agreement under Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), that has an annual budget of around $17.5 billion. Compare that to our military budget, where the (public) budget for fiscal year 2012 totaled $1.415 TRILLION, yes with a T, dollars:

    DOD spending $707.5 billion Base budget + "Overseas Contingency Operations"
    FBI counter-terrorism $2.9 billion At least one-third FBI budget.
    International Affairs $5.6–$63.0 billion At minimum, foreign arms sales. At most, entire State budget
    Energy Department, defense-related $21.8 billion
    Veterans Affairs $70.0 billion
    Homeland Security $46.9 billion
    NASA, satellites $3.5–$8.7 billion Between 20% and 50% of NASA's total budget
    Veterans pensions $54.6 billion
    Other defense-related mandatory spending $8.2 billion
    Interest on debt incurred in past wars $109.1–$431.5 billion Between 23% and 91% of total interest
    Total Spending $1.030–$1.415 trillion
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

    Now, are there people out there that take advantage of the welfare system? Yes, most definitely. But that doesn't mean that the vast, vast majority of individuals that receive assistance aren't honest people that need help in tough times. The media hypes up the bad apples that take advantage of the system, but don't EVER have a conversation about WHY so many people need assistance at this time. Our education system is in shambles. The bridge between rich and poor is the greatest it has been in generations. I would venture to say that 95 percent of individuals on welfare are not on it because they want to be. Take you comment about single moms where the dad is in prison. You said that very nonchalantly, but it is a huge problem in our society when five percent of all black men are in prisons and make up 60 percent of all of our prisoners. With the rise of the private prison industrial complex in America, the number of prisoners has risen by 700 percent between 1970 and 2005. When we keep shipping young black men off to prison for 20, 30, 40 plus years, then the problem of racial inequality in America will NEVER end.
  • Democrat
    Portsmouth, VA
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    I heartily agree about our educaiton system being broken. If we spent more time on basics and extra help when parents are working two or more jobs and have no energy to assist with homework, instead of every new "test criteria" (remember the IQ and regents exams). However I feel the the diagnosis of ADHD is way too high. BUt with mental health being at the bottom of the list for funding there is not enough help out there for these families. It is easy to OVER rate the numbers of abuses of all the social systems. If the abuses and fraud were really taken care of there would be lots of money but the real fraud is perpetrated by corporations, (hosp. clinics, pharmaceutical co.), not by the working poor or unemployed or underemployed. Only those of us who have worked with these people understand the reality and it is sad that our congress instead protects the corporations and insteads steals from the poor to fund the "corporate welfare". Good for you for pointing out the reality.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    The Food Stamp program, which is under the Dept of Agriculture, is happy that they are providing more assistance than ever. The U S Park Service is also under the Dept of Ag, they request that we do not feed the animals. That they may become dependent and will no longer attempt to provide for their self.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: I agree with you to a point, cstjohn, but believe that some of your assumptions are a bit off with regards to these moms that are on assistance. I have spent many years working with at risk youth that have mental and behavioral disabilities and I can assure you that most of these moms are not getting $5,000 a month and living the high life. It is a common misconception, perpetuated by the media and other outlets since the early 1960's, that a vast majority of welfare recipients are single moms that refuse to get work and keep pumping out babies. That is not even remotely close to being true, but a propaganda machine that has been steadily churning for 50 years is hard to push back at.

    Multinational corporations receive twice as much in "welfare" than all of the individual recipients combined. In the last major study of this, that looks at numbers from 2006 but was released in 2012, Multinational corporations received $92 Billion in assistance when all social welfare programs combined cost $59 Billion. I'm sure that difference has only increased due to the Republican's never ending drive to kill as many social programs as they possibly can while shielding corporations from any pain.

    Study after study has shown that birth rates among lower income women has no correlation with how much benefits they think they will get from the government. On average, a single mother receives a meager stipend through a state and federal agreement under Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), that has an annual budget of around $17.5 billion. Compare that to our military budget, where the (public) budget for fiscal year 2012 totaled $1.415 TRILLION, yes with a T, dollars:

    DOD spending $707.5 billion Base budget + "Overseas Contingency Operations"
    FBI counter-terrorism $2.9 billion At least one-third FBI budget.
    International Affairs $5.6–$63.0 billion At minimum, foreign arms sales. At most, entire State budget
    Energy Department, defense-related $21.8 billion
    Veterans Affairs $70.0 billion
    Homeland Security $46.9 billion
    NASA, satellites $3.5–$8.7 billion Between 20% and 50% of NASA's total budget
    Veterans pensions $54.6 billion
    Other defense-related mandatory spending $8.2 billion
    Interest on debt incurred in past wars $109.1–$431.5 billion Between 23% and 91% of total interest
    Total Spending $1.030–$1.415 trillion
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

    Now, are there people out there that take advantage of the welfare system? Yes, most definitely. But that doesn't mean that the vast, vast majority of individuals that receive assistance aren't honest people that need help in tough times. The media hypes up the bad apples that take advantage of the system, but don't EVER have a conversation about WHY so many people need assistance at this time. Our education system is in shambles. The bridge between rich and poor is the greatest it has been in generations. I would venture to say that 95 percent of individuals on welfare are not on it because they want to be. Take you comment about single moms where the dad is in prison. You said that very nonchalantly, but it is a huge problem in our society when five percent of all black men are in prisons and make up 60 percent of all of our prisoners. With the rise of the private prison industrial complex in America, the number of prisoners has risen by 700 percent between 1970 and 2005. When we keep shipping young black men off to prison for 20, 30, 40 plus years, then the problem of racial inequality in America will NEVER end.
    Thanks for the good counter arguement, I am one who has never been jealous of someone on welfare like so many with two cars, a boat, a camper, snowmobiles, a big gas sucking truck and a riding lawn mower are.

    It is really amazing how so many Republicans think "ALL" our tax dollars are going to things like welfare and plan parent hood. Bet Fox News will never share your facts.

    Because of how Hitler used the radio to brain wash the Germany majority, we had laws that prevented shows like Russ L. and Fox News, but that law has been changed by the system, now Hitler media is perfectly legal today, and look what the lack of this law is doing, creating a bunch of Republican Nazis.
  • Democrat
    Lawrence, MA
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    cstjohn Wrote: Medicade and medicare are not the programs that need overhauling, it is the welfare system that does. I have no problem with my taxes helping people who are less fortunate and really need the assistance. I have a problem with single mothers who have 3 and 4 children just to get the welfare benefits. Let me explain.. the most common situations..

    1- The mother usually doesn't know who the father(s) are or they are unemployed or in jail and can't contribute to the child's welfare

    2- The mother can't work because she can't afford child care and has no job training or skills

    3- The child (or children) are deemed to have behavioral (ADAH) problems. The mother will receive food stamps. housing and medicade and in addition over $600.00 per child, tax free.

    One mother went before a magistrate and he asked her if she was employed. She said "Are you crazy? I get $5,000.00 a month, why would I want to work?" Indeed, why would anyone?
    CST, Not to be flippant but does corporate welfare bother you ? Year after year GE pays NO taxes while raking in billions. Yesterday's paper revealed that Facebook ( I'm pretty sure it was Facebook) took in $1.2 billion last year and was given a rebate of close to half a million. There are oil companies that pay no taxes - none- and recieve huge rebates.So if a poor desperate single mother pops a brew open on Saturday night let's just turn a blind eye and ask God when we might expect some real justice.
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    The "Throw the baby out with the bath water" concept only gets used against aid programs. Why is that?
  • Democrat
    Lawrence, MA
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    This morning's headline in the Boston Globe.......Tax Lobbyists help businesses reap windfalls.......Whirlpool invested $1.8 million in Washington lobbyists and for their effort secured tax credits worth a combined $120 million for 2012 and 2013.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Leftofcenter Wrote: This morning's headline in the Boston Globe.......Tax Lobbyists help businesses reap windfalls.......Whirlpool invested $1.8 million in Washington lobbyists and for their effort secured tax credits worth a combined $120 million for 2012 and 2013.
    I thought we had a "honest" not open for "bribery" government; I see so many "threads" about the Constitution that keeps us safe, so no problem!!
    But I must be nuts; I've mentioned a hundred times: Term limits; make lobbying via "money" or other "priviledge"s illigal and punisable by years in prison etc.
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    Plymouth, WI
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    Leftofcenter Wrote:
    cstjohn Wrote: Medicade and medicare are not the programs that need overhauling, it is the welfare system that does. I have no problem with my taxes helping people who are less fortunate and really need the assistance. I have a problem with single mothers who have 3 and 4 children just to get the welfare benefits. Let me explain.. the most common situations..

    1- The mother usually doesn't know who the father(s) are or they are unemployed or in jail and can't contribute to the child's welfare

    2- The mother can't work because she can't afford child care and has no job training or skills

    3- The child (or children) are deemed to have behavioral (ADAH) problems. The mother will receive food stamps. housing and medicade and in addition over $600.00 per child, tax free.

    One mother went before a magistrate and he asked her if she was employed. She said "Are you crazy? I get $5,000.00 a month, why would I want to work?" Indeed, why would anyone?
    CST, Not to be flippant but does corporate welfare bother you ? Year after year GE pays NO taxes while raking in billions. Yesterday's paper revealed that Facebook ( I'm pretty sure it was Facebook) took in $1.2 billion last year and was given a rebate of close to half a million. There are oil companies that pay no taxes - none- and recieve huge rebates.So if a poor desperate single mother pops a brew open on Saturday night let's just turn a blind eye and ask God when we might expect some real justice.
    Now that should make one jealous and give them the will to change the legal bribe system of America. Bribes are illegal in any other government in the world, but not here, even Mexican government officials can't take money from the system legally. Instead, the Hitler media brainwashed are jealous of the poorest of poor.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Someone help me with an answer to this statement. I thought is was the individual states that provide all this welfare money to their residents, and not the Federal government. Maybe that's the problem. Individuals can and will move to the state that offers the best income for their particular situations, and then future generations of those specific welfare families oftentimes just continue on like their parent(s) and grandparents, with virtually no incentive for them to "buck the system" and escape from it.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    united you say that..."Bribes are illegal in any other government in the world"...

    You don't think that bribary doesn't happen in other governments, do you? It happens everywhere, all over the globe, it's just that American politicians have pretty much legalized it.

    When Hugo Chavez died he reportedly had 11 billion in assets and do you think he acquired all of that legally? Of course not. Chavez was the poor peoples president. He believed in spreading the wealth. His rules did not apply to himself apparently.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jamesn Wrote: united you say that..."Bribes are illegal in any other government in the world"...

    You don't think that bribary doesn't happen in other governments, do you? It happens everywhere, all over the globe, it's just that American politicians have pretty much legalized it.

    When Hugo Chavez died he reportedly had 11 billion in assets and do you think he acquired all of that legally? Of course not. Chavez was the poor peoples president. He believed in spreading the wealth. His rules did not apply to himself apparently.
    Just to add to that : the communistic leaders have also smelled the roses: the richest man in the world is a Russian!! eighty of China's leaders are either millionair or billionair; so we better hurry up or they will surpass us as "capitalists" with "honest"? earned money!!
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    One exception to what you said here Dutch, they (Russians & Chinese) might surpass us in number of wealthy leaders, but I guarantee you it is NOT honestly earned money. Either by scams, or paying factory workers a whopping $1-2/day, or some other underhanded method, this is how they come to such wealth. Maybe they have one or two such folks that might have invented some major product for them, like a nuclear bomb or rocket technology, but the real "earners" of such massive wealth are only a minute factor among the millions of their residents. Very much like it is here.