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This is probably my favorite Obama quote.

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  • Center Left
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    This is one of my favorite Obama quotes and I wanted to share it with everyone.

    "Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

    Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what’s possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It’s the art of the impossible. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God’s edicts, regardless of the consequences. To base one’s life on such uncompromising commitments may be sublime, but to base our policy making on such commitments would be a dangerous thing."
    ~Barack Obama 2008

    It perfectly defines the dangers of religion becoming involved in government and epitomizes the need for separation of church and state. It not only addresses that concern but does it in a way that is not insulting and is inclusive to everyone. Very well put Mr. President.
  • Independent
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    "zackF" as an atheist I do not fully agree; since only the churches are pushing this then the "seperation of church and state" should apply; not a politic nice wording only.
  • Center Left
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    I don't understand what you are saying here? Which part don't you agree with? What are only the churches pushing?
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    Zach F Wrote: I don't understand what you are saying here? Which part don't you agree with? What are only the churches pushing?
    What about abortion? gay rights? marriage of gays? birth control? what else?
  • Democrat
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    Zach F Wrote: This is one of my favorite Obama quotes and I wanted to share it with everyone.

    "Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

    Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what’s possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It’s the art of the impossible. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God’s edicts, regardless of the consequences. To base one’s life on such uncompromising commitments may be sublime, but to base our policy making on such commitments would be a dangerous thing."
    ~Barack Obama 2008

    It perfectly defines the dangers of religion becoming involved in government and epitomizes the need for separation of church and state. It not only addresses that concern but does it in a way that is not insulting and is inclusive to everyone. Very well put Mr. President.
    Zack, It's evident that Obama spent some time wrestling with this idea. His reasoning is well thought out. A Christian response would be that Christ did not tell us to use the coercive arm of government to force others to believe as we do. He said that people would be attracted to the way of life he espoused when they witnessed the love we have for one another. This idea seems to have almost completely disappeared from modern Christianity. I also believe that God is a lot bigger than we give him credit for and that he doesn't expect people to live perfect lives based on the imperfect knowledge we possess and the struggle we have just to get through this life. At least that's the sense I get from what Jesus said about about him. I believe that at bottom love is the answer to most of our man made problems. Either that or there isn't any answer.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote: I don't understand what you are saying here? Which part don't you agree with? What are only the churches pushing?
    What about abortion? gay rights? marriage of gays? birth control? what else?
    Obama isn't saying that Churches should not push what they believe is right. And I'm not saying that either. What he is saying, and the part that I most agree with, is that your arguments can't be based only in religion.

    Take gay rights, for example. I'm all for churches an pastors writing to officials and voicing their concerns. However, in order for your concerns to be taking seriously, you would have to find a reason to deny gay people rights that wasn't based in religion. Sadly, I can't think of any.
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    Zach F Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote: I don't understand what you are saying here? Which part don't you agree with? What are only the churches pushing?
    What about abortion? gay rights? marriage of gays? birth control? what else?
    Obama isn't saying that Churches should not push what they believe is right. And I'm not saying that either. What he is saying, and the part that I most agree with, is that your arguments can't be based only in religion.

    Take gay rights, for example. I'm all for churches an pastors writing to officials and voicing their concerns. However, in order for your concerns to be taking seriously, you would have to find a reason to deny gay people rights that wasn't based in religion. Sadly, I can't think of any.
    I fully agree with you; why I said what I said, is if the Constitution states "seperation of church and state" then I'm kind of surprised that a President, makes a statement about that; I think such should be dealt with via the normal "channels"
  • Center Left
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    Separation of Church and State simply means that the church doesn't govern, and the Government doesn't endorse or promote a single religion. However, for the two to completely ignore each other or pretend that the other doesn't exist would be naive and dangerous. Additionally, if neither ever address each other, that would not congruent with my idea of an all inclusive society. I'm not surprised at all that Obama would address the issues.
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    Zach F Wrote: Separation of Church and State simply means that the church doesn't govern, and the Government doesn't endorse or promote a single religion. However, for the two to completely ignore each other or pretend that the other doesn't exist would be naive and dangerous. Additionally, if neither ever address each other, that would not congruent with my idea of an all inclusive society. I'm not surprised at all that Obama would address the issues.
    Sure I agree with you; I absolutely think the same thing; the only thing what irritates me that these things actually belong on the back burner
    and other things should have more priority; Sorry I've never seen that happen in Europe years back may be; but that churches here still live in the middle ages regarding the things I mentioned and therefore ask time from the government is a bit pushy. A better thing would be to tax them like any bussiness.
  • Center Left
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    Reasonable, logical arguments should never be on the back burner. They should be driving force of politics. I think you are getting something different out of this quote than I am.
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    I don't believe that the Catholic Church and some other Denominations are that concerned about the civil rights issues that are part of the arguement, but the religious demands are another matter, to mock and to demand that the Catholic Church and some other Christian denominations accept their particular life styles because it is their right, when in fact ,it goes against the very teachings of those faiths, is wrong. There are variety of Biblical quotes that validates the Church's position.The Catholic Church considers marriage as a one of the Seven Sacraments and it includes a certain amount of fidelity to the Church and other requirements, professing that your gay is not acceptable to the Catholic Faith, and as such disqualifys you for receiving the Sacrament of Marriage, it does not prohibit a civil union/marriage from being performed by any amount of number of Judicial authorties, in fact, at sea the Captain of a vessal may perform the ceremony and its legal, I don't see the problem with members of these denominations denying the gay population from participating in their religious rites. I also believe that the term "Separation of Church and State" means that there will not be State religion and that your ideas and decisions can be formed and considered by your religious upbringing.
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    onthereal Wrote: Obama promoting gay marriage is solely political. Let's keep it real here. If Obama is truly and african american, then he was raised in somebody's church, meaning that he knows gay marriage is wrong. Homosexuals are human beings and should be given the rights of every other human being, but marriage is not and should not be apart of those rights. Have we all forgotten that this is a country that is supposed to represent "one nation UNDER GOD". And if Obama truly believes that church and state should be totally separated, then why pray or even have a bible at his inaugaration. Quite hypocritical if you ask me.
    "If Obama is truly an african american, then he was raised in somebody's church" ??? Did you really say that ? First of all, are you questioning his ethnicity ? Secondly, are all African Americans raised in somebodies church ? Thirdly, There is a separation of church and state. Sorry but that's just how it is. Forth, one nation under god is just part of the pledge of allegiance.......
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    onthereal Wrote: Obama promoting gay marriage is solely political. Let's keep it real here. If Obama is truly and african american, then he was raised in somebody's church, meaning that he knows gay marriage is wrong. Homosexuals are human beings and should be given the rights of every other human being, but marriage is not and should not be apart of those rights. Have we all forgotten that this is a country that is supposed to represent "one nation UNDER GOD". And if Obama truly believes that church and state should be totally separated, then why pray or even have a bible at his inaugaration. Quite hypocritical if you ask me.
    What does the church have to do with tax laws and civil laws? None. So your saying no due gay marriage has nothing to do with church.
  • Democrat
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    Wow, say what you really mean.