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Free pre school for four year olds?

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  • Independent
    Ohio
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    That's what Obama wants. Two questions:

    1) Is there ANY evidence that our education failures are due to not institutionalizing our children soon enough?

    2) How do we convince pre school teachers to work for free?
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "altair" I'm a bit surprised; they have done so for years in Europe; it prepares the kids for the the things they have to learn in life and learns them to work in a group as well as independent thinking. So when they go to first grade it is not an unruly bunch and know on how to behave in a class setting. The schooling system here is years behind compared to some other countries, so the earlier kids are confronted with learning the better for later on.
    Cost for teachers; I have no idea what Obama's plans are for that; in Europe that is part of the whole education package. I'm still amazed that the curiculum here is not adapted at all to "life" in this world; there is way too little attention to character forming, common sense and mental training.
    Way too much attention on : everyone should be "number one" second place does not count etc. Especially the "sport" facet is not the fun of it but you have to be the best, which for a lot of kids has a mental impact and affects their grades. etc. So my thought is that related to schooling there could be a lot of improvements done, which will give the kids a better chance to have a better life/jobs etc. in the future
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Dutch and altair, let me chime in on this one. Obviously when I was in el-hi school, there was no such thing as pre-school, at least none that I ever heard about. And up to about 8th or 9th grade, there was no significant problem with unruly behavior, or gangs, or groups of anti-establishment kids. And I went to both public and parochial schools in a city of 90,000. However, once in high school, things did change to some degree, although at the Catholic High School I attended, the nuns and priests kept things in check for the most part. Obviously, class size was much smaller before high school, and my friends in the public high schools let me know some of the chaotic happenings occurring in their schools. So, our schools used to be just fine, with the occasional unruly child or truancy, and this provided a sound and stable background for children, at least up until their teen years. Herein is where I believe the problem today arises. Today's children are not being given that strong family-oriented, stable home environment, along with early-school attention and protection that America's kids used to get (and without any pre-school).

    Now that I have defined the problem, and I also believe that is the easy part, I have to admit that I do not have the solution. We may know what once worked, but how could we ever return to that condition in today's world? Any ideas?
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    Altair13 Wrote: That's what Obama wants. Two questions:

    1) Is there ANY evidence that our education failures are due to not institutionalizing our children soon enough?

    2) How do we convince pre school teachers to work for free?
    An amazingly poor choice of wording. Or do you honestly believe that public school brainwashes little ones heads.
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    Preschool is a good place to socialize the little monsters. And at that age they are lttle monsters too. So Altair, combat pay is in order.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "michaels" you are absolutely right in that we live in different times; I guess in your time kids did not get influenced by lots of murder and shooting on TV, let alone Nintendo and of course being more spoiled brats then we ever were. Also of course the class size plays a big role, so there is less individual attention. At least when I went through all the schools, kids still had respect for teachers and their parents; sorry to say it is gone down hill. So getting back to preschool, my point is may be at that age you still can mold the kid to these old standards, so that will help later on in life.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    To the preschool issue, you are right that AT THAT AGE you can still mold the kid to those old standards, BUT it has not been happening for a vast number of years now. The question, I believe, is how do we ever get back to that old situation where it was working? Do we need to reduce class sizes? And if so, that means more teachers AND more classrooms, so how do we pay for it?
  • Independent
    Ohio
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    WovenGems Wrote:
    Altair13 Wrote: That's what Obama wants. Two questions:

    1) Is there ANY evidence that our education failures are due to not institutionalizing our children soon enough?

    2) How do we convince pre school teachers to work for free?
    An amazingly poor choice of wording. Or do you honestly believe that public school brainwashes little ones heads.
    The question isn't what I believe. It's what is real. Four years olds are not going to going to learn anything at school that they can't be taught at home. What are you going to teach them that will really make a difference? And how the hell are they gonna make it free?


    BTW. My wife is an educator(in a public school). Be careful when making assumptions my friend.
  • Independent
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    WovenGems Wrote: Preschool is a good place to socialize the little monsters. And at that age they are lttle monsters too. So Altair, combat pay is in order.
    Good point.