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Has Child Support gone too far?

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  • Independent
    Denver, CO
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    Has the child support laws gone too far? That is an important question that no one seems to want to answer. This law has made life very difficult for alot of proven (not in the courts eyes) "Stand-up" men in this country. I know of quite a few men who have been a terriffic factor in the lives of their child(ren). But all it takes is for a vindictive woman to go down to the Department of Human Services and create a false senario and without a proper investigation, these mens lives are turned upside down without notice. Now I ask is that fair to these men? I do understand the fact that there are many men who do not take responsibility for their child(ren) but for the sake of the court system and lawyers to make a profit from these deadbeats, the real men suffer ridiculously; losing houses, cars, driving priviledges, and if they are a licensed professional they stand the chance to lose those too. Where is the true justice? or does it not exist? This is a major problem in this country and needs to heard. If anyone out there has a valid answer to my questions please by all means respond to this post.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    Oh for a fact, child support has gone too far, but the fact of the matter is, the majority doesn't care. The majority believes the dead beat dads should support their children, and I agree, but what the majority doesn't see, is that child support is no longer child support, it is ex support too, ever since welfare funds have been taken away from the dead beat moms.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    It is crazy how the system makes men with children, support the person they hate most in life, their ex. Child support laws have created hate and anger in many men's lives. Hate only causes more hate in the world, but unless you have been through the child support system as a payer, you would have no clue how this hate is all created, hmm maybe labeling people a dead beat dad might have something to do with it, how do you think a court treats a person with this title, try throw the dead beat in jail no matter the reason why they can't support their ex, ya think that would create hate? Yes unfair child support laws are a huge problem for America, that mostly goes unnoticed tell someone snaps.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    I'm one that pays child support happily every month. The issue I have is that it sits in the States account for days before the mother receives it. This money is electronically transfferred, which means it should only take seconds. That's not the case, and I sure this is intentionally done, so that the State can gain the interest. The mother nor I wanted the support paid through the State, but my attorney and her's highly recommended that I did. I have to follow my attorneys adice unless I can see plain error in it. Also jailing Dead Beat Dads is about the most ludacris method of punishment that can be rendered. It's not an end to a means and does nothing for the child. It gaurantees that ANY support that the parent could or may have rendered will not be available. And places a burden upon the tax payer for the dead beats incarceration cost. I wish I had the right answers, but I can sure tell you that incarceration of dead beat parents isn't it.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    Boone,
    Not every dad in prison for not paying child support is a dead beat dad. I'm not going to get into a long list of reasons why some people don't make their child support payments but there are plenty of reasons other than being a dead beat for not paying child support. Have you heard the term "hopelessly unemployed?" This is a new term in America, ever since we sent the majority of our production industry to China, so their majority can work and the system here can profit more. Hopelessly unemployed is a term given to many out there who just gave up looking for work, because there is NONE. Some are in prison for not paying support to the state because they became disabled and couldn't work, but the state doesn't care why, if you are not paying you are a dead beat period, and the state will jail you for this, since the state will make Federal tax dollars for every one of the majority they lock up. The states know how to play the Feds for their tax dollars and the majority for their money.

    Yes the state is making thousands in interest off child support that they hold on to for no other reason than to make the interest money. States today charge fees now, for every once tax dollar paid service. If the states can get a secret fee through holding your child support of course they will, the states need money any way they can get it, locking people in jail and extorting child support payment interest is not a problem for the states today, but you better not try to extort anything or else its prison for you, but not the state and its money system members, they do no wrong, according to them, but I think God would beg to differ, I know I do!
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    unitedmajority I never meant to insinuate that every dad in prison was a dead beat. I apologize if my post sounded that way. I've had a crash course in the ways the State handles child support. I was railroaded in court over my oldest. That is until contrary to my thoughts at the time I decided to hire an attorney. I'll never enter another courtroom without one. Within 10min it was determined that the State was illegally collecting support. Was I refunded the $15,000 I had paid in that my child never received? No! That money was two installments just to keep me out of jail. They were going to send me to jail. I was sending support myself because 1st payment I made through the State had not made it a year later. It's not my duty to inform the State where the child and mother were living, but the State continued attempts to collect support. After many thousands of dollars they dropped it. I do not need a judge to tell me to support my children, nor do I need the State to collect this money. Sorry I harbor anger toward the methods used to collect support. There is more than monetary support when it comes to the non custodial parent. If they are a part of the child's life, the child is harmed by the jailing of the parent.
    I have a big moral issue with parents that do not take part in their child's life and refused to pay support.Or the childish parents that use the child as a pawn against the other. A child has a right to both parents and each parents should promote the child to have a loving relationship with the other. Neither parent receives a title/deed to the child at birth.
    Sorry for rambling on.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    Boone Wrote: unitedmajority I never meant to insinuate that every dad in prison was a dead beat. I apologize if my post sounded that way. I've had a crash course in the ways the State handles child support. I was railroaded in court over my oldest. That is until contrary to my thoughts at the time I decided to hire an attorney. I'll never enter another courtroom without one. Within 10min it was determined that the State was illegally collecting support. Was I refunded the $15,000 I had paid in that my child never received? No! That money was two installments just to keep me out of jail. They were going to send me to jail. I was sending support myself because 1st payment I made through the State had not made it a year later. It's not my duty to inform the State where the child and mother were living, but the State continued attempts to collect support. After many thousands of dollars they dropped it. I do not need a judge to tell me to support my children, nor do I need the State to collect this money. Sorry I harbor anger toward the methods used to collect support. There is more than monetary support when it comes to the non custodial parent. If they are a part of the child's life, the child is harmed by the jailing of the parent.
    I have a big moral issue with parents that do not take part in their child's life and refused to pay support.Or the childish parents that use the child as a pawn against the other. A child has a right to both parents and each parents should promote the child to have a loving relationship with the other. Neither parent receives a title/deed to the child at birth.
    Sorry for rambling on.
    Isn't that crash course you had crazy, it is amazing what the government is doing to the majority now a days and getting away with it. I'm sorry you had to find out about the system the hard way, but that is the only way it seems, unless you live it you won't know about it, people don't care about unfair child support laws, not until the law hurts them.
  • Democrat
    North Bend, OR
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    It is hell to get child support if you're the father. My husband and I have custody of his child and despite court orders signed by a judge, the state has decided that because the mother is on SSI, she does not have to pay child support. So no matter what a judgment says, the state apparently can override a judges decision. She has not seen her child in 8 years and when we were fighting the system to get support, she didn't even contact the state to try and request a visit with the child. Last count is we are owed over $12,000. In the meantime, she's using the money from SSI for drinking and drugs (as indicative of her arrest reports).
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    Why can't parents be adults and each contribute what ever amount that is needed to raise their children? I know that will never happen. So many lose sight of the fact that neither obtained a title to the child at birth and neither have a right to that child. The child has a right to both parents. and both parents should work together for what's in the best interest of the child. No one parent can determine the other unfit, that is a decision that the courts make.
    Just the last time, when it was time for me to pick my youngest up for her two weeks with me. Her mother called the day before and said she was too sick that I should wait a few days. I did not pay the cost of a court battle to have her decide when I would see my child and amde that very plain. Luckly enough the mother and I get along well enough that she understood that I was taking it as an affront that I could not provide proper care for our sick daughter. Fathers can care for sick children the same as mothers.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    graywuf Wrote: It is hell to get child support if you're the father. My husband and I have custody of his child and despite court orders signed by a judge, the state has decided that because the mother is on SSI, she does not have to pay child support. So no matter what a judgment says, the state apparently can override a judges decision. She has not seen her child in 8 years and when we were fighting the system to get support, she didn't even contact the state to try and request a visit with the child. Last count is we are owed over $12,000. In the meantime, she's using the money from SSI for drinking and drugs (as indicative of her arrest reports).
    My ex still owes me from years ago, she too is on SSI, I still get money, about twenty dollars a year, but you can bet child support is collecting their fee of $180 a year to handle the payments, crazy how the system gets paid before the father. I am going to waive the support owed to me, just to screw the system, I know, I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face, but in this case, it is worth it.
  • Democrat
    pell lake, WI
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    over 30 yrs ago, we were almost destroy by child support. we my family, we have 3 kids. my husband was divorced with 1 child.
    my husband rarely got to see her. he had gotten laied off we were in court again.
    the court r
    muled no matter what the first child comes first. regardless if my son had a roof over his head or food.
    wow! so women can go remake a life. while the man cant even write off his child support in taxes.
    she was independently rich. she enjoyed her pot smoking life.
    in the end we were ok. only because finally my husband let her get adopted.
    hence best interest of child. a joke.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    I'm happy to say that my State, Tennessee changed how they calculate and implement child support. Unless the other parent files for some type of Gov assistance. If the other parent does this then the State is hell on wheels and common sense is out the door. With my first daughter her mother filed for assistance in another State. Next thing I know I was getting railroaded in court. Learned a good lesson, never step in a courtroom without legal representation. It was found that the State was illegally collecting support from me. Did they pay that money back to me, nope, nor did it ever make it to my daughters mother. Now they have a new way of calculating it that is close to fair as one could get. I also clam my youngest on my income taxes every other year. I pay a combined total of $854 per month happily and get along with each mother like parents should. Bet you don't hear that out of too many men.