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Budget Reduction

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  • Independent
    Longmont, CO
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    Just heard Representative Canton of Va, the Republican Head of the House, suggest that instead of closing tax loopholes on the wealthy that a
    reduction in Pensioners benefits might be a better way to accomplish a reduction in the deficit. I barely live on my pension of $ 1065 a month
    now.
    Here's a challenge for you Congressman Canton. Give your salary, your free medical, free parking, and free transportation back to the Government. Try living on $ 1100 per month. Get your Retirement From The Social Security Administration and not the Accepted Service which lasts for a
    lifetime without having to work 10 years or 40 quarters, pay rent and eat. My retirement is from the Government and not Social Security but you want to attack all pensioners. It's a bad idea. I know you are trying to save all the Defense jobs located in your State of Va if the Defense budget get cuts in the reduction act. Cutting the defense budget is a bad idea too. I sure like my idea of all you over paid politicians giving back your salaries and benefits to the treasury. Bet we would have a balanced budget in no time at all.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Hey Howard, nice idea even though it would do virtually nothing to erase our HUGE deficit. Just think about it--100 Senators and 400+ Representatives, so to be generous, let's call the total 600 persons in Congress. If they all gave back their salaries (which none of them would, I mean when you were working, would you have given it ALL up for your country?) and their benefits, let's also assume that total salary and benefit package would amount to $400K/year, that would only amount to $240 MILLION per year. That would not even pay the interest on our debt, but I have to agree with your idea of them sacrificing SOMETHING. Their attitude seems to be that the rich need to get richer, and since the vast majority of them are already rich, they are only plugging for themselves and their cronies.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "howard" I've got a much better idea!! Start taxing all the churches here; property tax, income tax, capital gains tax, tax on their cars, busses etc.
    No deductions for charity, because most is pocketed anyway by them, My feeling is this will solve your problem!!
  • Independent
    Ohio
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    Hi ya'll. I'm new here. Interesting stuff I'm reading. As I see it there is no creativity in Washington. Why is it that they always want to start with entitlements? You know, the stuff that we already paid for to be used for OUR retirement. The stuff that they stole and used to fund other programs. I'm thinking there are a million wasteful things that we can cut that are seldom if ever mentioned. Individually they mean nothing, but collectively they add up to real money. If every congress member brought one outdated, useless and wastefull program to the table it would add up to real savings. But that would require creativity and thought. Too much to ask I guess.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    A different subject; but it goes hand in hand with the discussion. Most people believe that being a member of Congress should not be a profession. Why can't we start a campaign to remove all pensions and benefits for members of Congress include a limit of a total of 4 years being the maximum time an individual may hold either or both position? A rider could be provided for existing members with over 10 years of service as a Rep or Sen.
    They do pretty well for holding a part time job. I do consider being a member of Congress a part time job is because of the lack of time spent in sessions and that a considerable amount of time they are in office is spent preparing for the next election. It might be a good idea to require members to be present at a minimum of 90% of the total time for sessions per year. A tighter limit should be imposed on staff and office expenses. They are telling us we are going to be cut back and they are no better than we are.
    Anyone have a better idea?
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    jperry, I fully agree with your assessment, but we both know that it is highly UNlikely for it to happen. That's just the way it is on Capitol Hill, once they get there, if they are not already millionaires, they soon will be, and damned if they don't want even more money, so they campaign their arses off and try for more money. Sad but true, and I cannot even fathom how to overcome the situation, because any over-coming has to go through Congress, and they just won't pass anything that impedes their search for wealth.
  • Independent
    Ohio
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    It's a shame that conservatives and liberals cannot unite on the things they do agree on. The congressional greed and abuses of power is a perfect example.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    It is highly unlikely for it to happen should not be an acceptable responce. This is not a problem which exists because of the Republicans or Democrats. It's a problem which exists because of both. I consider 2 people as being responsible for providing the ground work for a New Nation, Thomas Jefferson and George Mason. I wonder what they would say about the state of the nation today?
    These men had an insite as to what we could and should be and we should not be so willing to accept anything less.
  • Independent
    Ohio
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    jperry Wrote: It is highly unlikely for it to happen should not be an acceptable responce. This is not a problem which exists because of the Republicans or Democrats. It's a problem which exists because of both. I consider 2 people as being responsible for providing the ground work for a New Nation, Thomas Jefferson and George Mason. I wonder what they would say about the state of the nation today?
    These men had an insite as to what we could and should be and we should not be so willing to accept anything less.
    I don't know if you are a lib or con. And I don't really care. Cuz what you say here makes perfect sense. (Especially regarding professional politicians.)
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    jperry Wrote: It is highly unlikely for it to happen should not be an acceptable responce. This is not a problem which exists because of the Republicans or Democrats. It's a problem which exists because of both. I consider 2 people as being responsible for providing the ground work for a New Nation, Thomas Jefferson and George Mason. I wonder what they would say about the state of the nation today?
    These men had an insite as to what we could and should be and we should not be so willing to accept anything less.
    What neither man could see was television. For that little invention took all meaningfull debate out of politics and reduced it to 15 second soundbites at outrageous prices. The cost forced polititians to prostitute themselves to who would and could pay for the campaigns. Thus we have the sysytem now where even a second term president still plays ball with powerbrokers. We need a serial killer that enjoys a challange and targets billionaires. Oh the horror! But if their running for their lives they don't have time to play pattycake.
  • Independent
    New Hampshire
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    Advances in communications are both good and bad. The cost would be greatly reduces if the allowable time for campaigns was reduced to 25% of the time held in office. Why do we need a Primary election system that is 9 months long? Why not do way with a system with many states not even having an election and the balance holding elections taking the better part of a year. Switch to all states having a Primary Election, April 17, of the year of the Election with Conventions held in June either at the same time or spaced one week apart. I can’t speak for most people but three years to campaign for 4 year job is just plain stupid.
    “The cost forced politicians to prostitute themselves to who would and could pay for the campaigns.”
    The only difference between the late 1700s and today is that politicians prostitute themselves to pay for the 30 to 36 month long campaign. Radio and TV added to the “Cost of Doing Business”. Our Electoral system was designed during a time that did not allow a majority of citizens to vote and getting from point A to point B took time on horseback. PR firms are a requirement in an election to present a perceived image of the person running for office and they are well paid to perform that task.
    Letting businesses have a free hand in the election process is something I can’t understand.
    “The cost forced politicians to prostitute themselves to who would and could pay for the campaigns.”
    Honesty and ethics on the part of those running for office would eliminate that from the process.
    I am insulted when told I have to sign a contract after making an agreement. I have given my Word which means more to me than a piece of paper does.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Right you are "jperry" and a good example is when I asked a company here to build a fence for my backyard. They came and measured the exact dimensions and after I chose the material and design that I wanted, we shook hands on the deal, but that was not enough. He had to "write it up" and we both had to sign it. That's just the way things have evolved. A handshake is NOT what it was when I was a kid. And the same is true in the political arena. Long gone are the times when an individual could run for office based on his beliefs, credentials, and past or future promise of performance. He now has to be "vetted" by whoever, and stand up and dedicate his life to his party and their way of thinking. This holds true for anyone from dog-catcher to mayor to governor, etc. I don't like it either, but just like in many other arenas, reverting back to the way it used to be is both extremely rare and difficult.
  • Libertarian
    Medford, MA
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    Here is a topic that everyone seems to agree on. Its a conversation of common sense, and "We the people", don't get to vote on how they do their part time jobs. The topic needs to address how do we get them to understand, work full time to fix what is broken. We need change, and very quickly before time runs out. Who was it that said a good place to start is with the lawyers.