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  • Independent
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    PTSD, post traumatic stress syndrome, has claimed another victim, the author of best seller “American Sniper” and America’s greatest sniper for killing the most in Iraq with his weapons, was shot and killed yesterday by a 25 year old X Marine killer. The reason for this killing is PTSD suffered by the X Marine, according to world news this morning.

    It is estimated that 1 in 5 American war soldiers when returned to civilian life, suffer from PTSD.


    PTSD is just one side effect of American made war and it has created American made terrorist, kind of ironic too, since this war was supposed to be the war against terrorism, not the war to make American terrorist. We will be seeing killings from many more American made terrorist for many more years to come. What can we do about it? Stop making war that’s what!

    A note to all who favor war:
    “You don’t get good from an act of evil, you only get more evil,” there is nothing more evil on earth than war.
  • Independent
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    "united" a very well written piece; yes I guess this is becoming indeed a problem, also in the light of the whole "gun" discussion, because if they are so unstable they can grab a gun anytime; if they do not get the proper care when they return in civil life. The main cause, sorry to say is that here on the US continent there have been no wars except the civil war; so all those kids who enlist have no clue, first of all about culture in another country, second have no clue what really happens during war; have never seen corpses shot to pieces or little kids blown apart etc.
    The huge mistake the media and also the government makes in this country is the glorification of war, by elevating/showing the Rambo type mentality as a good something etc.
    Also the present generation of kids who join the forces are mostly western educated in the hamburger/nintendo culture which does not help either.
  • Independent
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    Dutch Wrote: "united" a very well written piece; yes I guess this is becoming indeed a problem, also in the light of the whole "gun" discussion, because if they are so unstable they can grab a gun anytime; if they do not get the proper care when they return in civil life. The main cause, sorry to say is that here on the US continent there have been no wars except the civil war; so all those kids who enlist have no clue, first of all about culture in another country, second have no clue what really happens during war; have never seen corpses shot to pieces or little kids blown apart etc.
    The huge mistake the media and also the government makes in this country is the glorification of war, by elevating/showing the Rambo type mentality as a good something etc.
    Also the present generation of kids who join the forces are mostly western educated in the hamburger/nintendo culture which does not help either.
    I guess I never thought about it before, but you are right, Americans really don't understand how evil war is. The only ones that sees wars evil in America are the American soldiers fighting it. No our media does not show civilians killed by our soldiers and the other stuff that gives 1 in 5 of them PTSD. Who would of guessed that the system would keep the majority blind from the truth with our media when it comes to war's evil? The sad thing is, that hamburger generation is our future, for sure the system is trying to control them with G.I. Joe mentality, where do you think the system is leading us to with this military mind thinking?
  • Other Party
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    Americans don't understand...and thats why Hagel should be SecDef, he's walked the walk and understands things that no one who has not been in combat can ever understand.
  • Independent
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    "jamesn" absolutely right !! I'm still amazed on how the "right" treated him like a piece of dirt. Especially McCain who also has the same background, but likely only was a prisoner of war, but not a "foot" soldier who sees everything up close.
  • Independent
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    Dutch Wrote: "jamesn" absolutely right !! I'm still amazed on how the "right" treated him like a piece of dirt. Especially McCain who also has the same background, but likely only was a prisoner of war, but not a "foot" soldier who sees everything up close.
    I missed the Republicans and McCain attacking him. McCain never saw combat up close, he was a Navy pilot. He did escape his plane on an air craft carrier when it exploded into flames for over twelve hours, his ship was almost lost when a plain launched a side winder missile by accident, maybe it was John's plain? Wouldn't surprise me, John is old now and knows his days are near there end, this election may of been his last chance to be anything more and he knows it and now he is bitter.
  • Independent
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    jamesn Wrote: Americans don't understand...and thats why Hagel should be SecDef, he's walked the walk and understands things that no one who has not been in combat can ever understand.
    For sure all too many don't realize the evil of war, sad, because if the majority did, we wouldn't have people signing up to join the military now that America has become a war nation. It is VERY clear the Republican Party is the war party still, Romney proved this too, with his wanting to build 2 more nuke subs.
  • Democrat
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    Sunday's paper.....front page headline....Suicides By Military Personnel Were Almost One Per Day In 2012. At the same time mental health services for veterans are being overwhelmed. Veteran services spokemen are blaming these suicides on the fact that many of these soldiers have had more than one tour of duty . While this is probably a major factor I would think the main reason why they are driven to kill themselves is that they find it impossible to live with the images of what they have seen and done in the war zones. When we hear that the principle casualties of our aggression are civilian families, women and children...... we can use our imaginations a bit to think about what these soldiers have witnessed. This is why Obama is wrong when he refused to bring members of the Bush administration up on charges of war crimes. Of course, he doesn't want to set a precendent that can later be used to go after him. The problem is that there are no repercussions for these war mongers like McCain who pay no penalty when their rhetoric and votes cause numerous human beings to be slaughtered. I think it was Emerson who said that there is a law of compensation in Nature and that sooner of later all actions will be balanced out.....there will be a price to pay....something like that. I lean toward believing that is true and that a bill is being prepared for us that will be devestating on the day it's delivered.....We killed 3,400,000 Vietnamese during that adventure and the toll has been steadily rising since then. Something must stop this. It is heartbreaking to think that we have become a scourge on the earth.
  • Independent
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    "left" well said, the only thing what I want to add, as we discussed before is, how these kid's get prepared related to "life" on this globe.
    I call this the "hamburger, nintendo, Rambo" culture, which absolutely does not prepare them to real war. Even some of our leaders act like it is a pleasure trip to Disney Land. I just saw today that in Iraq they blew up 20 police officers, so we really won that war? I've got the impression that more people were killed there since we "freed" them than under Saddam!
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    Something weird and different in our last two wars is that we didn't have a clearly defined enemy. Who were we at war against ? The Iraqi's, the Afgan's, the Taliban members ? What color uniforms do they wear ? It seems like our soldiers were walking between buildings in the city with no enemy battalion that forward scouts could identify. Many of those killed were civilians. That has to cause major stress and uncertainty.
  • Independent
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    Leftofcenter Wrote: Sunday's paper.....front page headline....Suicides By Military Personnel Were Almost One Per Day In 2012. At the same time mental health services for veterans are being overwhelmed. Veteran services spokemen are blaming these suicides on the fact that many of these soldiers have had more than one tour of duty . While this is probably a major factor I would think the main reason why they are driven to kill themselves is that they find it impossible to live with the images of what they have seen and done in the war zones. When we hear that the principle casualties of our aggression are civilian families, women and children...... we can use our imaginations a bit to think about what these soldiers have witnessed. This is why Obama is wrong when he refused to bring members of the Bush administration up on charges of war crimes. Of course, he doesn't want to set a precendent that can later be used to go after him. The problem is that there are no repercussions for these war mongers like McCain who pay no penalty when their rhetoric and votes cause numerous human beings to be slaughtered. I think it was Emerson who said that there is a law of compensation in Nature and that sooner of later all actions will be balanced out.....there will be a price to pay....something like that. I lean toward believing that is true and that a bill is being prepared for us that will be devestating on the day it's delivered.....We killed 3,400,000 Vietnamese during that adventure and the toll has been steadily rising since then. Something must stop this. It is heartbreaking to think that we have become a scourge on the earth.
    I am willing to bet any amount of money that every soldier that kills them self or someone else after getting out of the military, was on military issued mind drugs. Maybe it is time for the members of our majority to start suing the makers of these suicide causing mind drugs or the military for giving them out like candy?
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: Something weird and different in our last two wars is that we didn't have a clearly defined enemy. Who were we at war against ? The Iraqi's, the Afgan's, the Taliban members ? What color uniforms do they wear ? It seems like our soldiers were walking between buildings in the city with no enemy battalion that forward scouts could identify. Many of those killed were civilians. That has to cause major stress and uncertainty.
    Enemy soldiers and the civilians over there all ware the same close. Yes our troops take shots not knowing who they are shooting at, out of frustration, then loose their minds later for doing it. Then the military gives them a pill to feel better, then they come home and kill them self or others.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: Something weird and different in our last two wars is that we didn't have a clearly defined enemy. Who were we at war against ? The Iraqi's, the Afgan's, the Taliban members ? What color uniforms do they wear ? It seems like our soldiers were walking between buildings in the city with no enemy battalion that forward scouts could identify. Many of those killed were civilians. That has to cause major stress and uncertainty.
    Yes, you got it right. The crazy thing here in the US, also looking at what kind of equipment they still aquire in the military that they think indeed that every conflict on this globe is going to be a full scale war like WWII. For instance they could have saved 6000 plus military lives, if they would have gone straight after Bin Laden instead of starting full scale wars with heavy equipment. This also would have saved the tax payer trillions.
    I would have thought after the Vietnam debacle that they would have used that to learn something.
    Even Vietnam was more or less a "new" war not "uniformed army" against "uniformed army" either as under Napoleon etc.
    Looking ahead I'm of the opinion that all future wars will indeed be more "guarilla" type, because no one wants to throw nukes yet I guess.
  • Democrat
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    ......And what will the munitions industry do with the millions of tons of armaments they produce , the tanks, helicopters, fighter planes, chemical weapons, cluster bombs, anti personel devices etc. if the US cuts back to pea shooter wars ? It has created a world wherein Fate has it by the round ones. Not only does the US need opportunities to use up this stockpile, but if it cut back on production by any significant amount the entire economy would collapse.
  • Independent
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    "left" the only way to change that is like with babies; get them of the boob, then on the bottle, then on the hamburger, then on the weed, then on the guns. In other words nothing makes any sense at all. But as you know it is said by someone:" Make swords into plowshares" etc. So I wish that happens, hoping someone of our leaders stands up and realizes the same thing as you.