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No good news comes from guns

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  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    Where are all the news stories of people being saved by NRA members packing guns? With over 300 million guns out there, why don’t I see these stories on the news? Because there are none, the only news about guns is bad news.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "united" sure I've seen some good news once in a while; "a gunowner tripped over his gun and broke his neck" and "a gun owner left his gun laying around and his little kid picked up the gun and shot him by accident" Also a drunk put a gun in his pocket and shot off his b.....lls.
    So it is not all bad!!!
  • Republican
    Texas
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    Associate with law Enforcement the last percentage of muder was on the law enforcement community, people feel that those who have AR-15 need to return them and not be arrested for them.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    There's just no way anyone can get an AR-15 owner to return their weapon PERIOD. I am certainly no gun toter, but I just know that Wayne and boys will never give up ANY of their weapons, certainly not these most powerful ones. What people "feel" that they must do this? I suppose there are quite a number, but remember those gun-toters always say "From my cold dead hands".
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    michaels I think a lot of people WOULD willfully turn over their AR-15s maybe not half but lots would. Not all people who own totally unecessary assault weapons are nuts and they'd turn them in. A lot of them would NOT and those are the diehard owners who will never comply with ANY additional gunlaws. That's why we need realistic gun laws to be proposed. Laws which are realistic and achievable may be passed eventually, unrealistic laws have no chance. I would rather make small gains than no gains at all.
  • Democrat
    Pennsylvania
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    The statements made by the NRA make my blood boil. It seems that they talk to each other and cannot see outside their own universe.

    The image of the mother who has just been told that her first grade child has been killed is seared into the brain of everyone who saw it. The anger that comes through in the scenes of the parents burying their children calls out to us to act, now. The profits of gun manufacturers are not worth this.

    There is a complete package of gun control legislation that is before the Congress now. What is needed to get them to act is a national referendum of the people, voting on this issue.

    Granted that this could only be an advise and consent type of vote, the will of the people, tallied by representative district, should be collected and presented to each congressman.

    How to do this? By using the tools that we have. Each eligible voter should be able to go to a site on the internet and register and vote for their representative district, either for the whole package, or for parts of it. A person would only vote once on each issue, just as on a real ballot.

    First, each person logging onto the site would have to identify themselves just as a person registering to vote has to do. The information should be enough to establish that the person is eligible to vote and what their representative district is.

    Second, once it is determined that the person can vote, the person can choose to vote on the whole package or to vote on each part. As they cast their vote, it is tallied into the total for each representative district without any identifying information. The actual vote must be private, just as the physical act of voting is.

    As the votes are cast in each district, the running totals can be published so that the representatives know what their voters are saying.

    By doing this, each of us will know that we have been given a voice, and that we have the means to influence our congressman that does not depend on our wealth but on the power of our vote. When the congressmen vote on the bill themselves, their vote would be sent by email or social media to each person who registered to vote.
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    Chaplain Wrote: Associate with law Enforcement the last percentage of muder was on the law enforcement community, people feel that those who have AR-15 need to return them and not be arrested for them.
    An AR15 can't shoot NATO rounds without being upgraded. Thus to this former soldier it ain't nothing but a cheap knockoff.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    JillFromPgh Wrote: The statements made by the NRA make my blood boil. It seems that they talk to each other and cannot see outside their own universe.

    The image of the mother who has just been told that her first grade child has been killed is seared into the brain of everyone who saw it. The anger that comes through in the scenes of the parents burying their children calls out to us to act, now. The profits of gun manufacturers are not worth this.

    There is a complete package of gun control legislation that is before the Congress now. What is needed to get them to act is a national referendum of the people, voting on this issue.

    Granted that this could only be an advise and consent type of vote, the will of the people, tallied by representative district, should be collected and presented to each congressman.

    How to do this? By using the tools that we have. Each eligible voter should be able to go to a site on the internet and register and vote for their representative district, either for the whole package, or for parts of it. A person would only vote once on each issue, just as on a real ballot.

    First, each person logging onto the site would have to identify themselves just as a person registering to vote has to do. The information should be enough to establish that the person is eligible to vote and what their representative district is.

    Second, once it is determined that the person can vote, the person can choose to vote on the whole package or to vote on each part. As they cast their vote, it is tallied into the total for each representative district without any identifying information. The actual vote must be private, just as the physical act of voting is.

    As the votes are cast in each district, the running totals can be published so that the representatives know what their voters are saying.

    By doing this, each of us will know that we have been given a voice, and that we have the means to influence our congressman that does not depend on our wealth but on the power of our vote. When the congressmen vote on the bill themselves, their vote would be sent by email or social media to each person who registered to vote.
    Glad to see you are on board with my idea to use the constitution and the internet to take control of the money system and change it to a majority rule. I have been writing about this for over seven years, but still lack the funds to start four hundred plus web sites to do this. I'm still working on that and the sites will be there soon. You will know the name when you see it, it is a name you can not forget. The thing you may not of realized, not only do these sites work for gun control but will work for total control of the government system.
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    Currently on Capital Hill there's a hearing on guns. What I've heard so far is weak. Most do support better back ground checks but not much more.
    Below is a story currently in the news.
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    Published: January 30, 2013

    WASHINGTON — The Senate Judiciary Committee will meet on Wednesday morning for the first time since the mass shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school, formalizing Congressional Democrats’ search for viable legislation to stem gun violence.
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    The Lede Blog: Updates From the Senate Hearing (January 30, 2013)

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    Wayne La Pierre, the head of the National Rifle Association, arrived for a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.


    Witnesses will include Wayne La Pierre, who is the head of the National Rifle Association, and Mark E. Kelly, the husband of former Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, who was critically injured in a mass shooting in 2011. Ms. Giffords, who will not testify, will make an opening statement at the hearing. Mr. Kelly is now running Americans for Responsible Solutions, a gun safety advocacy group. Other gun experts, including academics and law enforcement officials, are also expected to speak.

    The N.R.A. on Tuesday urged its members to attend the hearing and show support for gun rights. Earlier this week during a hearing of a Connecticut State General Assembly task force, supporters of gun rights heckled the father of a child killed in Newtown who raised questions about the state’s restrictions on assault weapons.

    Democrats are divided over how to proceed on gun safety legislation, with some members from largely Republican states resistant to any changes to the laws, while others are committed to a renewal of an assault weapons ban and everything in between. Although some Republicans said they would be open to new laws that expand background checks for gun buyers, they are cool to new restrictions on weapons or ammunition.

    Many Democrats have hoped to harness the emotional impact of the Newtown tragedy, and recent polling that suggests many Americans including gun owners support some new legislation aimed at stemming at least illegal gun use, to pursue legislation that has become, in many ways, the third rail of American politics.

    Senator Dianne Feinstein of California has already introduced legislation that would ban the sale and manufacture of 157 types of semiautomatic weapons, as well as ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds. Bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines were among the proposals being pushedby President Obama and Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

    But Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has introduced his own far more modest measure that would give law enforcement officials more tools to investigate so-called straw purchasing of guns, in which people buy firearms for others who are prohibited from obtaining them on their own.

    Other senators are pushing their own bills. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, Democrat of New York, and Senator Mark Steven Kirk, Republican of Illinois, have agreed to work together on gun trafficking legislation that would seek to crack down on illegal guns. Mr. Kirk is also working on a background check proposal with Senator Joe Manchin III, Democrat of West Virginia, who is considered somewhat of a bellwether among Democrats with strong gun-rights records.

    Mr. Leahy is expected to open the hearing by noting that “the Second Amendment is secure and will remain secure and protected. In two recent cases, the Supreme Court has confirmed that the Second Amendment, like other aspects of our Bill of Rights, secures a fundamental individual right. Americans have the right to self-defense and to have guns in their homes to protect their families. No one can or will take those rights or our guns away. Second Amendment rights are the foundation on which our discussion rests. They are not at risk. But lives are at risk when responsible people fail to stand up for laws that will keep guns out of the hands of those who will use them to commit mass murder. I ask that we focus our discussion on additional statutory measures to better protect our children and all Americans.”

    The N.R.A. on Tuesday released Mr. La Pierre’s testimony, in which he reiterates his call for armed security in schools and his resistance to new gun control measures.

    “It’s time to throw an immediate blanket of security around our children,” the testimony reads. “About a third of our schools have armed security already — because it works. And that number is growing. Right now, state officials, local authorities and school districts in all 50 states are considering their own plans to protect children in their schools.”

    Mr. La Pierre adds: “In addition, we need to enforce the thousands of gun laws that are currently on the books. Prosecuting criminals who misuse firearms works. Unfortunately, we’ve seen a dramatic collapse in federal gun prosecutions in recent years. Over all in 2011, federal weapons prosecutions per capita were down 35 percent from their peak in the previous administration. That means violent felons, gang members and the mentally ill who possess firearms are not being prosecuted. And that’s unacceptable.”
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    During the telecast of this event, there was a poll shown on the screen. It was regarding better back ground checks. (give or take a couple of percent) 95% of gun shops approve, 90% of gun shows approve, and 75% of individuals approve. If nothing else happens in the next 12 months.... perhaps they should push through a new law on effective back ground checks in the next 60 days.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Sorry; bandaids do not work on gun shots!! I believe "background checks" is certainly not going to stop anyone who "snaps" at any time to shoot at everything what moves. Also with over 300 million guns and loads of assault riffles just sold on gun shows and elsewhere in the hands of people who for the most part never had a background check, this is a huge joke. No other country on this world is dealing with this problem in such a scared (totally chicken) way being affraid for a bully group called the NRA