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  • Democrat
    Illinois
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    What percentage of the NRA membership oppose background checks for all transactions, a waiting period, and a limit on the number of guns that may be purchased at a time?
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Do you really care? There are over 300 plus million guns around of which only a "few" are background checked, so why would anyone want to know what the NRA thinks or does; the damage is already done; we are stuck with all these guns, background checks or not, it makes no difference at all.
  • Democrat
    Sebastopol, CA
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    I oppose any regulation whatso ever infringing on the effective functioning of the 2nd Amendment or any of the other Bill of Rights. If Obama and Feinstein continue to attack the constitution as they have begun after his second term election, I will be forced into changing party. I walked precincts for him and sent money. Makes me feel a bit foolish. I am a lifelong progressive Democrat but I am not a traitor and will not abide traitors. We have a constitution and a Bill of rights I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. The attack on the 2nd Amendment is treason. I am an educated mature and responsible mentally sound American and will not stand by and watch our liberty flushed. My position is based on real compassion and understanding of history, not some juvenile obsession with guns. I have been to war and hope to never do so again or see my grandchildren do so. Between 1915 and 1981 over 170 million people were killed by their own governments after strict gun control disarmed them. I wish I knew how many since 1981. I didn't see Chile, Argentina, or most of Africa or Indonesia listed and so this list must underestimate the deaths significantly. After every mass shooting there are misguided attempts to reduce the 2nd amendment with stricter gun control. The mantra goes: "We could have saved 20 innocent lives". Really! I hope people understand the real world sufficiently well to understand that The second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting, just like our Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with our right to speak. In the case of speech it is about the right to hear what others are saying so you will be informed. With the right to bear arms it is the right to stay alive after you have spoken what you had to say. My response to stricter gun control and the undermining of the 2nd Amendment is as follows:
    WORLDWIDE HISTORY OF FIREARMS CONFISCATION, AN INCOMPLETE LIST:
    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated... ------------------------
    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------
    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------
    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------
    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------
    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------
    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. You can't shin this on. More Americans will die if we ban assault weapons and large magazines. That is an inescapable fact based on history. I am old and don't worry for myself. I worry for my children and grandchildren who will have to live in teh 1984 world that is evolving. Don’t try to sell that “Regulated militia” caveat in the 2nd Amendment to me.I didn't fall off the Turnup truck and have a 147 IQ political experience and life experience as world traveler veteran and Party Democrat.I have worked in Law Enforcement when I was young. If a group of good old boys formed a regulated militia, any fool knows that they would be on the "No fly" list and the IRS would be looking up their butt with a flash light in two shakes. They would be lucky to survive the first raid. That is why individuals not well regulated militia need the 2nd Amendment. The right to bear arms allows for the possibility that our government or a foreign power might decide to take away life liberty and the pursuit of happiness at some point. The loss of a few or even a lot of people is an acceptable alternative in the face of the loss of freedom. Why ask any soldier to sacrifice their life to protect freedom if the general population is not willing to do so? Freedom isn’t free. I am a former Viet Nam Combat Veteran, a patriotic American and a liberal progressive Democrat who walks precincts. That will be the case as long as the Democratic Party leaves the 2nd Amendment alone. I will otherwise vote to oust all democrats stop contributing to their campaigns, and stop walking precincts for them if this attack on the Bill of Rights does not stop now. If Obama wants to make his mark he can go after the Bush Crime family and the banksters; he can stop torture, and restore habeas corpus, and get rid of the ridiculous security PSA crap for starters. From that perspective I think the 2nd amendment and high capacity magazines give me more comfort than the Patriot Act. Bob Rawson,
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Mushroom, how many America homes have been attacked or fired upon in your lifetime, and how many of those times did automatic or semi-automatic weapons stop the attack? I won't ask how many of such attacks have been prevented by these weapons because you will very likely invent some exponential fictitious number. The Democrats are not attempting to reduce the second amendment, they are only trying to make it adaptable to today's reality. When the Amendment was written, no one could have imagined automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines, so these items WERE NEVER IN THE INTENTION OF THE WRITERS. No one is pretending to say your pistols, shotguns, and "typical" hunting rifles are improper, it is this totally new and high-tech weaponry and all that is associated with it that is causing this public outcry today. In my humble opinion, the second amendment can stand as is, there simply needs to be riders, like on an insurance policy, that bring it more into today's real world situations.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Just another low intelligence, small penis gun nut who has NO idea of what the Second Amendment means or is about!

    these idiots are the real problem and they are just the kind of people that should never be allowed to own much less be around any kind of firearm.
    they are a scourge on society and life in general!

    I'm am so tired and disgusted of listening to these fools who only are interested in their own selfish view of the world (and life in general)! A pox on them all!!!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "pgr" yes these people are the scum of the US; they never learned to live in harmony with healthy thinking people like you. Who taught these idiots in the first place; probably never went to a decent school. They certainly make the US the laughing stock of the world.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    it's often been stated that the 2nd amendment is the most misunderstood of all of the constitutional amendments ..

    as hard it may be for some folks to believe, it wasn't until very recently (2008) that the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the Second Amendment protected an individual's right to keep and bear arms for self defense:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller


    irrespective of the legislative successes that the NRA has had in the past, they are now going to be on the losing end of the battle, and their
    dismal results in the most recent election are proof that they are no longer a formidable force ..

    Joe Biden has an "F" rating from the NRA, and he absolutely isn't going to take any crap from the organization:

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/free/20130110gun-control-biden-nra-violence-lobby-meeting.html?source=nletter-

    although Biden's committee is likely to achieve some positive results, you're likely to see progress made (finally!) due the efforts of
    a few other sources as well:

    1) the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns has sent 40 steps to improve gun safety to the White House - and they wouldn't require any action
    on the part of Congress

    2) Gabby Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly, just launched their own PAC (Americans for Responsible Solutions) on the 2nd anniversary of her shooting in Tucson in order to raise money to fight the NRA .. it's gone viral on the internet, and has started to raise a lot of money already

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomwatson/2013/01/11/gabby-giffords-new-firearms-reform-pac-goes-viral/

    as for guns in schools, Mark Kelly isn't impressed:

    http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/navy-seal-schools-ridiculous/2013/01/11/id/471001?s=al&promo_code=11E42-1
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    The NRA and its freaks seem to think the 2nd Amendment gives them all kinds of gun rights, it does not!

    The 2nd Amendment DOES NOT give you the right to carry a concealed weapon, IT does not give you the right to buy a gun without a permit or waiting period, it does not give you the right to sell guns at shows, it does not give you the right to own a gun without a mental stability test first, it does not give teachers the right to carry a gun in school, it does not make the Republicans the party for guns, and IT DOES NOT give you the right to shoot anyone!

    That last one the freaks really got screwed up, think about it, out of all the ones who carry guns now, how many of these people protect them self with it and how many end up in prison with it. I am going to take a guess that ten times more NRA freaks end up in prison with their gun rather than protect them self with their gun.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I do not like to repeat myself for the millions time: IT IS NOT 1776 NOW!!! SO ONLY "FLINTLOCKS" ARE ALLOWED!!!
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Great point Dutch, as I said above and before, the penners of this amendment had no knowledge or concept of semi or automatic weaponry, and they thought the words "clips" and "magazines" referred to things like women's hair care and reading materials. The second amendment needs to be EITHER re-written OR modified with codicils (like a will) in order to make it appropriate for current times.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    I actually know people who are intelligent, responsible gun owners, who recognize that there's nothing wrong with reasonable limitations on
    the use and ownership of firearms.

    One of them is former Representative Gabriel Giffords. However, since Jared Loughner shot her in the head two years ago, she hasn't been doing much shooting lately.

    On the other hand ......

    I learned this morning that there are some mental midgets who are planning to participate in the First National Gun Appreciation Day on January 19, two days before President Obama's inauguration:

    http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/08/celebrate-gun-appreciation-day/

    http://gunappreciationday.com/index

    Not surprisingly, there's been a mad rush to buy guns lately by some of these folks:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/12/us/as-us-weighs-new-rules-sales-of-guns-and-ammunition-surge.html?hp

    Since we already have an Employee Appreciation Day, why don't we all just picket outside gun shops with signs that read PEOPLE
    Appreciation Day? We also could borrow a phrase from the Westboro Baptist Church, and have signs that read "God hates fags"

    Fags, in this instance, would stand for F ix A ted on G uns
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "guy" May be be I'm a uneducated atheist, but I've never read in the "human" written bible that "god" hates anyone. Hate is a human term and not known in outerspace or even in hell (wherever that may be, perhaps the meeting room of the NRA?) Als I do not think "god" did invent guns neither assault riffles; so sorry but this "fellow" (or is it an "it" or a her?) probably never shot a gun in its "heavenly empire",so I'm a bit at a loss. However I agree, those NRA guys deserve at least a taste of "hell", to put them straight.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    I just heard that one of Joe Biden's supposed recommendations will be to limit "clips" to 10 rounds. I would think that this would be sufficient to accommodate target shooters, BUT some NRA spokesperson or officer was cited as saying that this would be an outright infringement of 2nd Amendment rights and will never happen. How ridiculous is this? Show me anywhere in the 2nd Amendment where it even mentions ammunition clips OR the number of rounds a gun is legally allowed to hold. The NRA (non-reasonable-ahole) needs to realize that this piece of legislation was written during and shortly after the U.S.'s fight for independence, and was based on the needs of the citizenry for self defense and militia duty. Obviously this purpose has been illegitimately transferred to our life here in 2013, and it is TOTALLY out of context. The U.S. Government needs to re-write this Amendment and make it applicable to today's life here in America.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    Dutch:


    The Westboro Baptist Church is formally labeled as a hate group, and the picture below explains why:

    http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4767388794946686&pid=1.9

    In the instance that I mentioned previously, FAG could also stand for F anatical A bout G uns

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    To give you a better idea how these guys think, I received the article below today (see link) from my former (Thank God!) congressman, Paul Gosar. Although he recently moved to another district (more Republican friendly) I still get his newsletter, and he's still one of the nine Congressmen from Arizona in the House of Representatives in Washington D.C.

    He's a genuine die hard Tea Party guy, and he received $7058 in 2012 from pro-gun groups.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/10/presidential-gun-ban-executive-unconstitutional
  • Democrat
    Issaquah, WA
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    NOTE the Name: Wayne LaPierre ….

    “Bush Sr. Resigns NRA Membership in Protest: Lobbyists: Ex-President says he is 'outraged' by group's fund-raising letter labeling federal agents as 'jackbooted thugs.'
    May 11, 1995

    “WASHINGTON — Former President George Bush has quit the National Rifle Assn. to protest a fund-raising letter sent out by the organization that labeled federal agents as "jackbooted thugs" and could roil the waters of the Republican presidential race.

    Bush described himself as "outraged" by the organization's failure to repudiate the letter, which points up the NRA's vulnerability in the wake of the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building. In a letter to NRA President Thomas Washington dated May 3 and made available by his office in Houston, the former GOP chief executive added: "To attack Secret Service agents or ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) people or any government law enforcement people as 'wearing Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms' wanting to 'attack law-abiding citizens' is a vicious slander on good people."

    Bush was particularly irate because Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's chief lobbyist, defended the attack contained in the letter even after the Oklahoma City bombing. Asked if his language was excessive in view of the tragedy, LaPierre said: "That's like saying the weather report in Florida on the hurricane caused the damage rather than the hurricane."

    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-11/news/mn-651...

    Note the name??? Wayne LaPierre !!!!!!!!!