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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I just saw on CNN a kind of "indoctrination" related to Yemen; the issue is brought such way as we should be worried about all kind of terrorists etc.attacking our embassy.
    It looks like the same scenario as with Iraq to mentally brainwash/prepping us for things they (the Pentagon) may want to do. Yemen has not attacked us yet, but the US may entise this via their attitude related to anti Muslim propaganda and then claim; pointing fingers; we never did anything to get them mad at us. Lybia all over again?
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    Are you referring to the story telling that Yemen had offered "gold" to anyone who killed an American Ambassador? That was a horrible story, & it sent shivers up my spine. If they started doing that all over the Middle East, we could be embroiled in endless war, all over the region, & it would bankrupt us for all eternity. Yes, you could be right. It could just be more Bush/Cheney/Rove "propaganda" as an excuse to keep our troops over there endlessly, until we (as a nation) are totally bankrupt, & can't afford jobs for our citizens, except for the eternal need for more Military. And of course the mighty WAR MACHINE, which gobbles up all our Treasury, while it kills off all our adult male population.
  • Independent
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    "eternalflame" first of all the best wishes!! second yes indeed it is a "worrysome" direction from both sides; yes I also saw the "reward" thing. It sure does not help,it only boosts the "hawks" hunger to start something again, so we keep the" industry" happy; they did not feel anything of the fiscal cliff anyway; they spent the money already. However I hope people here do not fall for that trap what has been set. Related to the Syria mess, thank "god" they kept their head cool for now.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
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    The report I heard was that it was $160,000 of gold for killing the American Ambassador and a smaller but still significant amount for killing ANY American soldier. I guess that even if the American soldier was there at the request of the Yemen government, on a humanitarian mission, delivering disaster aid, they would still be rewarded for killing him.
  • Independent
    green valley, IL
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    It takes a lot to get the attention of zombies. A lot of money. A lot of fame. Same for sensational media. How about the misdirection of attention going on for money and fame? A war going on for ten years with a cut of date in late 2014-I talked with a CH-47 helicopter pilot two years ago and he told me Halliburton was refueling his helicopter with $49/gallon fuel. Hurrican Sandy victims can't get federal aid because it's 50% pork -Not that they deserve federal funds because they did not buy flood insurance but if they did they weren't covered for tidal damage or whatever. Rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship is becoming an apropo cliche once again-
    In total contrast to all the manufactured hysteria being perpetrated on all of us, I suggest we be the ones to get our heads out of our asses before we ask Congress to do the same, after all, they are the representatives of the people. Like sand through an hourglass and hogs to the trough, the desperation shown this start to a new year by nearly everyone is indicative of time and money running out. Where once, the American lifestyle was to pay as you go, it is now beyond have fun and dance gagnam style to WTF?
    Yemen has had at least two drone attack/assasinations. Not exactly like Nagasaki and Hiroshima but everything is on comparative scale! I expect Yemen, as well as Al Quaida, would like to not fear their airspace. It would be a shame if Hillary has more blood on her hands before Kerry can get in there and make matters worse. American diplomacy doesn't work without bombs and drones-why is that?
    The new Americn elitism of remote control killing has had its intended effect but it can never protect us. Who collected the bounty on bin Laden's head anyway? No matter, there are always bounties in this Cowboy world.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "jain" what you mentioned about the fuel; that is exactly what drives the industry; "wars" and Pentagon spending makes fortunes for a few. These few have of course the right connections all over the place. McCain is one of them. So the deal is if in 2014 the Afghan debacle is "ending", new sources of income have to be generated for that industry; so I wonder on how they will find that oppertunity; there are "hawks" enough to help that happening. In relation to the drones; this is really working against us in practise, because the surviving people who we did not hit, will hate our guts, because they know who sent these things and will look for oppertunities to hit us back somewhere. In this way we will never be safe, because we will not know how the wind blows from all those attacks. It is the same as poking a little kid (bullying) then the kid may do something back etc.
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    Sounds like certain agencies are trying to sucker us into yet another war. I HOPE we have learned something from the last 11 years, and that is NOT TO FALL for all their sneaky crooked tactics. Let's see -- what did they tell us last time? Oh yes, they told us we had to go to IRAQ to get all those WMD (weapons of mass destruction) that by the way, were not there, (they had already been destroyed).

    But Geo Bush (#43) said we had to go check for WMD anyway ---Just to get us into WAR in IRAQ, so Bush could steal their oil wells. Then we had to blow up their villages [Shock & Awe], & kill Saddam Hussein & his 2 sons. Of course Bush never mentioned that Saddam Hussein was totally innocent, did NOT have any WMD after all, & had never threatened us or attacked us. NOPE we are not to give any apology to Saddam Hussein for illegally blowing up his country & killing their leader, & his 2 sons. A major violation of international laws & an enormous war crime. But what is another war crime to Geo W. Bush. He has already committed a few hundred of those.

    Then we were also to stick around to fight in Afghanistan, because why leave any continent, when there are still a few countries left that we have not reduced to rubble yet? We can't just leave all those bombs laying around, when we could use them someplace on planet earth? After all, when Georgie was a little boy, he really wanted a sand box, & little toy soldiers. But his Daddy waited a few years & gave Georgie a real BIG SANDBOX, (IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN) & lots of REAL soldiers (US ARMY & NAVY, etc) so Georgie could have some fun, watching all those little toy villages go KABOOM. After fighting for a decade or so, now we are supposed to stick around a few more years, trying to teach the Arabs how to aim & fire a gun. After 11 yrs, they apparently did not "get it" so we are supposed to stick around another dozen years, until all the kids who hate us for killing their parents & bombing their villages, have grown up hating us & are now physically able to FIGHT US. That is sure an "intelligence" idea. I wonder what agency thought up that one? Central Intelligence or Central Stupidity? It's hard to tell the difference.

    Now if they need somebody to teach them how to fire a gun (faster than taking 11 yrs) we could send over some of our best 12 yr olds, who have been shooting their daddy's guns since age 7. And we want quick results. So you give the Arab the gun, tell them to point it at themselves, look down the barrel, & pull the trigger. Instant & accurate results. Improves efficiency 500%. The more they do this, the faster our troops can come home. And the less angry Arabs are running around plotting how to bomb an Embassy or kill our Ambassador. Now if the Arab refuses to do as told, we put him into our Intelligence forces, & send him off to hunt Al Quaeda. Let him hunt around for a couple of years in the desert, & if he does not die of hunger, dehydration, or getting shot by a wandering terrorist, we can send him back to his village as a hero. NO COST TO US. But in the meantime, we are supposed to be doing "nation building" -- which means putting together the shattered pieces of the rubble left over after WE bombed their villages in the first place. This is Bush's version of "Tinker Toys" - where you pick up little blocks & logs scattered all over & put them back together again. That Georgie Bush, ya gotta hand it to him. He never learned (as a rich kid) that "if you break it, you gotta buy it." But NOW, Georgie gets to break most of the nations of IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN and WE taxpayers get to pay to rebuild it. (It's sorta like a game of Monopoly, that really sucks). And now, the same old players (behind the scenes) are trying to sucker us into yet another War or 2 in the Middle East. WHEN DOES IT EVER END? These fools (ie Geo W) said on the day after 9/11 -- "We are going to fight a War against terror that will be with 50 nations, and last for 50 years." (unquote) And HE MEANT IT. Because he and PNAC (you will have to Google it) had it all arranged ahead of time that they were going to need a Pearl Harbor Event, to set up their exploits to takeover all the oil & resources around the world. He needs another 50 enemies to start 50 more wars, to last another 50 years. (That was THEIR PLAN). We MUST step in and STOP THEM, because they are already setting us up for Round 3 and Round 4 (& it goes on endlessly for another 38 yrs) & Good Grief I will be 74 yrs old, before we get done!! How old will YOU BE?
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "eternal flame" yeah, sigh; It is much worse than you describe it; it is not only the "Bushes" who are behind all of this, it is total institution and indoctrination in all layers of this society; just look at the news every 10 minutes there is something about the army, its hero's, pityful soldiers without arms begging for donations etc. Obama just signed, two seconds, after the "fiscal cliff" disaster the defence budget; he was opposed to a lot of points in it, but signed it anyway. These wars and its expenditure as well our reputation in the world (being a bully) will certainly increase the "debt" ceiling for a longtime to come. Also the "drones" and control over its use; is a dangerous trend, let alone the unknown "kickback" from whom we kill from a distance. No continuing on this path is detrimental to the US mental health (and wallet) and respect of the rest of the world.
  • Democrat
    Lawrence, MA
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    Dutch, There's a lot that could be added, but you've got it nailed. The Death Industry can't continue to stock pile cluster bombs and, for example, misslies constructed to flatten a peasant's hovel. Sooner or later even the dim wits in Washington would start to question why they are stock piling gazillions of these things. No. These weapons have to be used in order to keep replacing them. And as long as we keep replacing them this "greatest economy the world has ever known " will contuinue to flourish...(.or, at least until some other nation gives us a little taste of what we've been dishing out now since the end of WW 2 ). We could call this program - Consume A Bomb, ....or, as the evangelicals might counsel.....Consume A Bomb For Christ.... And if this reality seems a little grim we always have .....Oh, say can you see....dawn's early light....amber waves of grain etc. ect.... to strengthen our resolve. Okay. I'm off to the Town Common today. The Republican evangelicals are having a rally ....Kick A Poor Person For Christ.... This event always draws a big crowd.
  • Independent
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    "left" I hope you are feeling better; it certainly looks like it if I see what you wrote; I'm very glad I found a partner who thinks alike.
    Yes indeed "guns" and "war stuff" does not help the society; you do not get new roads or infrastructure for it, the money spent is only wasted money to satisfy a few. It is typical that countries who do not partisipate in this game have a steady way of life; not the up and down exitement we have every day, as displayed on TV. Weird mentality; buying lots of guns just after a bunch of little kids got killed for instance is an exact opposite reaction of what it should be. Thus in other words if you reprimand as parents a kid here he will do exactly the opposite. Nice mentality!!
    Yes you are right only a drastic re-education from kindergarten onwards is required; I do not know what was taught to our present generation; it must have been worthless schools and teachers.
  • Democrat
    Lawrence, MA
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    Dutch. There's a Globe article in today's paper about studies done in Carolina concerning the number of motorists who will drive outside their lane in order to squash turtles that are trying to cross the road. What would cause people to do something like this ? There may be several reasons, but one of them has to be the fact that in this country we are brought up within a culture of death. Not only does the government advance its interests in world with threats. coercion and war, but we are constantly told that the people who do the killing are heroes....Half of the movies we see show the star having something brutal done to him and/or his family. This brutality is always hair raising. This is necessary in order to justify the revenge he exacts on the perpetrators which is usually gruesome. None of this is lost on the public....especially on the young. But when the culture of death produces death ........ we act surprised and horrified. What can we say about a nation when 20 first graders are mowed down by a maniac and the result is. that great numbers of citizens rush out to stock up on guns and ammo ? I know you are aware of this, but I don't think we can say it often enough...... The USA now resmbles a mental institution in many ways.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "left of center" I would like to hug you!! but do not interprete that different; than acknowledging what you said. Again I saw something on TV what makes the few hairs I have stand on end. In Washington they are flying low level helicopters which specialised equipment (costing again small fortunes) to detect if there are "may be" "dirty" bombs somewhere around (bombs laced with radio active materials) I wonder which lunatic thought of that; an other ploy to extend the fear mongering?, so we can protect ourselves for our fear because of stupid foreing policies? I 'm at a loss where all of this leads to. Also I saw a Republican senator from Arkansas (what a state anyway) who totally approved our invasion of Iraq; what is wrong with these idiots? And of course disapproved the Chuck Hagel nomination. They are already in the media "working" very hard to undo this nomonation via CNN. Sorry what a pieces of filth do they have here!! I shake my old head; I like this country but why do they not see the light as you do?
    I guess may be be I should see my schrink oversees!! Like you say, Yikes!!!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "left" related to the "turtles", I live in a golf community with lots of lakes and turtles; I always stop my car if I see one on the road; learned on how to lift them ( some are "snapping" turtles; they bite) and put them in the grass. Yes a total mentality change would help this country, but who right now is qualified to move us in the right direction? The Obama team is too busy with the "money/expenditure" things and the media industry is even more moving into "the more killing" the better; I also never seen a mentality training curriculum on schools. So which direction is this country going? I guess no new gun laws; no better schooling; no reduction in our defense spending; no efficiency in medicare; no professional treatment of mental unstable people; no better infrastructure; no less import of junk etc. etc. end of story.
  • Democrat
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    Dutch, At the risk of being labled a totally negative old goat....Let me say that school in the US is where you send your child to learn how to be stupid. The schools are not so much educational institutions as they are indocrination centers.... The colleges are places where a student can learn a trade such as book keeping or computer science. But to come out of those institutions with a real education is the exception...... I have a young relative who went to U. Mass and took a degree in Accounting. She is good at what she does and has a good job. But when she was a senior at U Mass there was a group having a discussion and the name Harry Truman came up. She said, " Who's that ?" This was after 16 years in public schools. .....During the Vietnam War I was part of a group that would go to recruiting stations when a bus load of draftees was scheduled to be sent down to Boston for their physicals. i'll never forget the first time we went. The kids were lined up on benches on both sides of the office. I was stunned by the baby faced teen agers looking at us as we tried to counsel them that there were alternatives to being drafted. We told them, for example, that draft conseling was available.They looked at us like sheep and then looked to see how the sargent was taking all this. If looks could kill he would have killed us. But those kids had been taught that in any confrontation that involved their personal sovereignty authority must be obeyed. What had been done to those young minds to bring them to the point of actively participting in their own mental and/or physical destruction ? And now that the Vietnam, fiasco is seen for what it was.....the greatest mistake in US history......one that cost 50, 000 young American and millions of Vietnamese lives what has been learned from the experience....A few things...The government has learned not to allow reporters anywhere near where the butchery is taking place and it also realizes that a draft system would only
    create a large anti war movement. So we now have an all volunteer army. Everything else that produced the Vietnam mentallty is just about the same.....This is discouraging and there is no reason to think the situation is going to change. We can bitch and moan and write our little posts in forums like this, but the government has all the ammo. If we're lucky we can convince our own children not to cooperate with the culture of death. I have 4 sons. The government didn't get any of them. Thank God and thank the education I was able to dig out on my own as I limped along the road of Free Enterprise. I certainly didn't learn anything in school.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "left" I just wonder you lived here all your life I presume; thus how come that you can think straight and write and think further than the average person here. You must have learned that somewhere. So if you can do it, why not more people? Sure there are more thinkers on this site but it does not represent the mentality which I see around me on a daily basis. I guess the biggest problem is indeed education in this country.
    I worked in a lot of developping countries; I even taught in front of a class of apprentise aircraft mechanics in Indonesia; which I loved to do because this kids were full of attention and asked all the right questions and would not interfere or do things like here. The same I did in Bangla Desh learned them logistics and how to run an aircraft parts store ; for instance cure date management, humidity control, reading manuals etc etc.
    I always had a lot of pleasure in doing this because they are eager to learn new things. And they do not let you down, invite you everywhere and get aquinted with their way of life. Yeah I wonder about the spoiled kids here. My feeling is that because of the media and "I got to have it" mentality as well as parents who likely have been in the military that the upbringing "forms" them that way. Who was Harry Truman anyway? I'm kidding. Over 10 years the kids will ask who was Romney? I forgot already!!! So what do you think about the "drones"? and about the search for "dirty bombs" in DC?