Forum Thread

Background Checks at Gun Shows

Reply to ThreadDisplaying 1 - 15 of 57 1 2 3 4 Next
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    I just heard Chris Matthews talking about this one point that might be a strong agreement for both sides regarding gun control. My question is this: How could it be managed? If I go to a gun show (I never have) and buy a gun, how long would I have to wait to leave with my new gun if they had background checks? These things are not instantaneous are they? Who would pay their money and then agree to come back in 3 days or so to pick it up? And what about a person that buys a gun on the last day of the show, how would they handle that? It just seems that there are too many "what ifs", and this might be a real concern for some.
  • Liberal Democrat
    Democrat
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    michaels --

    While inconvenient, it's doable. It's just a matter of changing the gun culture so that potential gun buyers regularly go out weeks before a gun show and do the necessary stuff (background check, interview for mental capacity, training, etc) to obtain certification to buy a gun. That certificate would exist online with a security code that must be checked by the seller before selling. Kind of like doing a credit check on someone before selling.

    The seller would add a notation in the computer file of what gun and serial number he has sold to the buyer.

    In the absence of a certificate, the buyer could put the gun on the equivalent of "layaway." The seller would either ship the gun to the owner upon certification or for a small fee it could be held at a secure local gun shop pending approval of the certificate.

    This may all sound like a lot of bureaucracy, but once the potential buyers understand the rules, I expect most all would get pre-cleared before the gun show.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    thanks Schmidt, I see what you mean and it could work.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    I just wonder if this is still needed,why? in the first place there are over 330 million guns and "x' million other handguns doing the rounds; Since the Newtown debacle the major known gunshop in town sold 50% more assault riffles. Also I saw on todays news because of the sold out situation that certain people travelled 1000's of miles to just get that type of gun. So how can you do background checks as proposed on all those owners, who never had a background check, let alone those people who bought guns 50 years ago and still have them. Due to the fact there are millions of them, it looks to me like a bandaid only for yet to be purchased guns. No, banning all of that stuff is the only way; no one needs a gun for the fun of it; it is only invented for killing purpose; so even if a person who has a registration etc. he is still able to kill people; may be easier to get caught that's all. Except if the guy kills himself then we know he had a gun with a registered serial number, great. The other people are still dead so did we make headway, I guess not.
  • Kentucky
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Instant background checks are done, just as they are in a gun shop. I could sometimes agree with liberals, if their arguments were correct. However, when I read a non-factual question, answered with a non-factional answer, I can't help but laugh at your psuedo-intellecualism. Always good to read endless debates based on ficticious data.

    U2
  • Liberal
    Independent
    Durham, NH
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    And, just why are gun shows legal? There is NO reason for any law abiding citizen to own anymore than one single shot hunting rifle in this whole world!

    this sick fascination with guns has long passed its time and the last thing we need is idiots getting together at "gun clubs" or "gun shows" to buy and trade something to help them get over the small size of their penis ;)!!!
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    michaels39301 Wrote: I just heard Chris Matthews talking about this one point that might be a strong agreement for both sides regarding gun control. My question is this: How could it be managed? If I go to a gun show (I never have) and buy a gun, how long would I have to wait to leave with my new gun if they had background checks? These things are not instantaneous are they? Who would pay their money and then agree to come back in 3 days or so to pick it up? And what about a person that buys a gun on the last day of the show, how would they handle that? It just seems that there are too many "what ifs", and this might be a real concern for some.


    I have the solution; get rid of gun shows that sell guns. Gun show, doesn't that mean you show your shit not sell it? If it doesn't it should, since gun shows are a great place at present to sell illegal guns that have been gained by theft. NO we should not allow places to buy guns where no back ground checks are done nor are the serial numbers of the guns being checked for legality. WE do not need garage sale style places to buy guns, no we should not allow any sales at gun shows for any reason, not without the proper legal procedures that all gun stores must follow. I could care less about what the NRA gun freaks say about no sales at gun shows, neither does the majority care what these death by gun for profit freaks think.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Your answer is great unitedmajority, I have also always wondered why they have them AND why they are allowed to sell. SHOW and SELL are not the same, or even close in meaning. Stores sell, and sure they show their merchandise so the buyers can specifically pick what they want, BUT they are not called grocery shows or department shows or white-goods shows. So, in reality, these gun shows are really gun stores. I wonder if they have to get the same licenses and be subjected to all the same taxes and rules as, say sporting goods stores, that actually sell guns as a business, totally within the law. Maybe not, and this could the point where their willy-nilly showing and selling can be legally stopped.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Like I said there are millions of guns who's owners never had a background check; even with a background check etc. they may seem normal people, but anyone can become hysterical or mental at any time also after the background check. So I wonder; even with a valid driver licence people get behind the wheel while they are drunk; the same applies for guns. These background checks may help to screen if a person had a criminal record but likely nothing about if he is a steady customer of the phychiatrist. Also to track a person who crosses borders all the time; drug smugler? etc etc. I thing bureaucracy will be introduced, which cost may be added to our tax bill.
    Sorry the best solution is to follow other countries with much lower gun death, who have stringent gun laws.
  • Other Party
    Nebraska
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Dutch Sorry the best solution stringent gun laws will not work here in the USA. We may improve our gun laws, but America is not other countries and will not adopt other countries gun laws. I'm not saying we shouldn't I am saying we won't. I've never purchased a gun at a gun show nor ever had any desire to but they are apparently big business and big business means big money and big money runs everything including our lawmakers. Any change will come slowly and against great resistance but if our goals are realistic we have a better chance of attaining them.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    "jamesn" I hate to have to agree with you; indeed things like the gun lobby and the 2nd amendment makes it very tough to get anything done here as you said "money" talks. The only point I like to make is as with so many things, for instance our wars etc. if we stick with these things, I believe then that countries who do not have to deal with these things will moved ahead of the US. History proves such in many ways, Every nation who had world power and concentrated on wars and its war equipment fell by the wayside; take Julias Ceasar, Napoleon, Hitler, Kroestjef, Alexander the Great; Egyptians, Persian empire; all were great powers all gone or no longer important. So I'm affraid if we do not change our ways we will slowly but surely become a nation with a lot of debt and plenty of guns and war equipment only. China or someone else will then dictate us, not the other way around.!!
  • Liberal
    Independent
    Durham, NH
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    We have to start somewhere however and if we start with high ideals we will never get anything!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    "pgr" tell me where to start; Gun lobby, war lobby, etc etc.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    No there is not one answer to the gun problem for America, not in America anyway, and most likely there won't be. But if I was going to kill someone, I would go to the garage gun sale style gun shows to buy my weapon, of course I would, no back ground check no record of me buying a gun. So yes for a fact, if we want to start controlling guns that kill for the wrong reasons, we have to start where the killers buy their guns, and get rid of these places once and for all and for all our good, no matter the amount of money being made for the system from these gun shows. The majority cannot keep tolerating money for our lives, this is insane for sure. I agree gun shows should not be able to sell guns legally unless they are called gun sales and have to obey every law that any gun store has to follow. Of course we know the NRA doesn’t obey anything moral, and of course they will be crying like infants without their bottle if laws are made against gun shows selling guns to outlaws, I say who gives a crap what a cry baby thinks, it’s time to stop this madness.

    Dutch, thanks for bringing up the fact that the war mongers have fallen like flies throughout history. For sure our military spending and our military are out of control. WE can’t afford it, but now our Air Force is getting rid of the number one fighter in the world and replacing it with the number one most expensive fighter in the world, we are going from the F-15 to the F-22 as the Air Forces primary fighter. The problem with this, the F-22 cost a fortune compared the once best fighter F-15. You can bet our military will be giving Israel some F-22’s just like they gave Israel our F-15’s and yes I said gives Israel war toys to kill their neighbors with, not only do we give Israel war toys, but we also give them ten plus billion in dollars a year compared to the no dollars we give Israel’s neighbors. Can you see why we are hated and why war mongers drop like flies? I guess when you really think about it, in God's eyes, war mongers should drop like flies, and we will too, if nothing is done to change the path the money system has chosen for us. How can the majority justify this, we can’t and we shouldn’t, if our military spending continues to go unchecked by the majority, we will be one of those falling flies for sure.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
    Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Just to ad some other related "gun" issues. As you may have seen on the news during a "gun hand in" event in L.A. they even got an RPG launcher handed to them. I 'm not surprised at all. Actually the number of guns and other war tools doing the rounds is much and much higher than people think.
    Why? The reason is as follows: Due to our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan millions of weapons were either stolen or so called "lost" and disappeared into the "black" market. For instance convoy's going from Pakistan en route to Afghanistan were regulary attacked for this purpose. A lot of these weapons find somehow a way back to the US, because there is the money and the buyers. A lot of these weapons then in the end show up in some conflict on this globe; however a lot of the underground dealers reside here Therefore "background checks" look like counting a few peanuts compared to the real weapon trade.