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Gay Marriage

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  • Democrat
    Paris, TN
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    Dear Piers,
    As a Baptist Minister, and someone who holds to the truth of God's Word, not my own beliefs or opinions, I fully disagree with Gay Marriage and unlike those you had on your show who are unwilling to speak out against it, I am fully willing to quote the Bible, God's Holy Word to you to prove it is not only wrong and a sin but an abomination unto God. Leviticus chapter 20 verse 13 boldly states, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death, their blood shall be upon them." It also speaks against this type of living in the New Testament. It does not matter what we believe in this world, we will all be judged by God's Word one day and held accountable for the choices we made whether good or bad.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    I agree with it for oen huge reason, because medical health insurance companies are against it, i'm for the little guy.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Sorry, Mr. Pastor; Not any "god" wrote anything at all; people did!! Even your "jesus" never wrote one word himself (could not write or read). So all these things you quote are "human" writings. Therefore the "gay" issue is a pure "human" issue and is solely dealt with on this globe, and all over te place also under "different religions" etc. "gay" marriage yes or no?; let the "people" who have the right to vote or lobby decide any of such; like your "book" says "live and let live" No one from outerspace meddles in that anyway at least I did not see anything on my e-mail yet.
    Personally I'm not for or against, but do not drag in religion; which has nothing at all to do with it; they marry on earth not in outerspace.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Pastor, I presume you are Catholic; then I have a solution for you; why don't you burn them alive on the stake like the Catholic church used to do, or do as in WWII condone the killing of 6 million Jews including the gay Jews. Your church blessed the marriage of Hitler and Eva Braun, so blessing gay marriages should not be a problem. Thus the message is start by denouncing your own religion first, before you point fingers to others etc.
    Amen
    Marriages by gay people is an "earthly" process; the individual states either approve such or not, I do not care either way (this has only to do with social benefits/taxes etc if one person dies etc). which is pure a financial matter. I think up there they do not yet print dollar bills or sent you a tax form.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "sorry, I see your are a Baptist, but that does not change the story; all christian religions originated from the catholic one anyway. Why call yourself a Pastor if not catholic?
  • Democrat
    Lawrence, MA
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    Lots of heat here, but not much light.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "Left" once in a while "heat" is good to wake them up to face the real world like you have; I cannot stand hypocrites. Let them (the "gay's) have some fun too !! Not only the "church"!!
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    You're right on the message here Dutch. These holier than thou clowns should look in the mirror! The Baptist church is one of the worst when it comes to believing and preaching the very opposite of what their so called "savior" preached. They are some of the biggest bigots and haters out there and should be ashamed of their very existence. If Jesus ever did exist and I find it highly unlikely he did, much less was the so called "Son of God", he would be sickened by their beliefs and behavior!
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    Pastor :



    Although I believe that the Bible is a good guide for living, I also don't believe that it should be interpreted literally (even though 30% of the people in America do).

    For one thing, it was written by (inspired) men and women over the course of roughly 2000 years in four different languages (Hebrew, Latin, Greek, and Aramaic). For another, it is absolutely FULL of contradictions. If you'd like further proof of that, I'd like to invite you to take a Bible quiz:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2010/09/bible-told-me-so.html

    Although you're likely pretty well versed in the Scripture, you'll be happy to know that the quiz is an open book test.


    To further complicate things, my 508 page King James version actually isn't even complete, because it does not include the gnostic gospels,
    which happen to include the Gospel of Mary:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Gospels

    Although Leviticus 20:13 is often quoted as justification for opposing guys, those who do so are are guilty of "selective reading" of the Bible.
    Back up three verses, and ask yourself why somebody hasn't stoned Newt Gingrich or Rush Limbaugh yet, since both of them are DEFINITELY guilty of adultery. For that matter, even a fine public servant like David Petraus would fall into that category, and there is absolutely no shortage of politicians (including Bill Clinton) who got caught in "zipper gate".

    I don't have strong feelings about gay marriage, but I'll let you listen to one of the legislators in Washington State give her opinion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbmbdWK6338&feature=youtu.be

    As far as whether gay marriage is right or wrong, I think that you should listen to the opinion of Saint Valentine:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2012/02/happy-valentines-day-from-johnnie.html


    The interesting thing about the State of Tennessee is that even though it is ranked as the 5th most religious states in the country, it also has one of the highest divorce rates (6th in the country), and it also has the 9th highest teen pregnancy rate in the country.

    http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/lifestyle/most-religious-states-america


    In April of this year, the Republicans in the Tennessee legislature introduced language in a sex education bill that defined kissing and hand holding as "gateways to sexual activity"":

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2012/04/i-want-to-hold-your-hand.html


    I'm not a believer in criticizing the religious beliefs of other people, nor do I tolerate the narrow minded folks who do.

    To close this one out, I'll ask you one more question:

    What religion does God belong to?

    The answer to that question is posted below:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYEFkYtANVg
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    Minister;
    I don't get it, how can you QUOTE from the Old Testament if you are Christian? If the Old Testament was good enough, Jesus wouldn't have had to get tied to a cross and inspire the New Testament, the book that has God doing only good and not the evil the Old Testament has God doing, like black mail and arson. A real Christian wouldn't even open the old book, not if indeed they believe the New Testament. It looks to me that Christians don't know what to believe, jumping back and forth from an old book to the new one, why would this be? I figured it out, the old book must be the book that says you have to give your Minister lots of money to prove your faith, that must be why all Christians still quote the book Jesus died to set straight, talk about an abomination. And if God really said “they shall surely be put to death” why aren’t the gays falling like flies? I’m going to go out on a limb here and say, those must be the words of man and not the words of God, because if God did say this he would strike the gays dead once they lay with a man for the very first time. Right?



    It seems to me Minister you have a lot to learn about God and Jesus. And if you are going "by the books" like you claim, then why are you judging gay people anyway? Remember what the books say; “only God has the power to judge”. Why would God say this, because only God has the power to see the whole picture of a soul and is the only one with all the facts to judge a soul. You are not God, quit acting like you are, and quit being two faced when it comes to the books, make up your mind if you are a Christian or a Jew, you cannot be both, or can you? I guess you can be both when you take on the role of God and start judging people. Jesus must be really pissed off at all the religions that give his dad a bad name, like the Christian religions and the Jews.

    Maybe the Muslims are one religion that comes close to the realities of God’s true words. The majority of Muslims teach good and don’t kill like the Christians did in the name of Jesus. So why does the 700 Club say all Muslims are terrorist? I’m going to have to guess that the ones pointing the finger are the true terrorist of God’s words.

    Well Minister, you had the gull to come on here and preach to us about gays being evil, but do you have the balls to back your words up and try to set Dutch and I straight? Dutch is an atheist and I believe all religions give God a bad name, you should have no problem setting the likes of us straight, right? Bring it on if you dare, or have the balls to.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    And, you forgot that pgr's an Athiest also !

    Good post though!!!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "that guy" Thanks for your extensive research; As you may have read I travelled the whole world and learned that indeed Bibles and Korans are pieced together documents over an awful long time. In those days it was as a matter of fact not a religeous document at all, but more or less depending on the writer and his surroundings an historical document interwoven with his own visions or opinions etc. Since people did not learn to write till about 6000 to 8000 years ago, all history and stories are "hearsay" from father to son etc. before that time and are after a while totally distorted, like the Adam & Eve stories, which are therefore pure myth. Even the first writings are extreemly difficult to translate in our modern lanquages. So I doubt if a lot of translations actually are correct in relation to the culture in which it was written nor the feeling behind the words. For instance "jesus" walking on water; I doubt if that was correctly translated; it may have been a "saying" even at that time; i.e. an impossible task. Since the Vatican already since the Templar times had control over any scrolls found in the then "holy land" ( Isreal is not so holy anymore!) a lot is hidden or destroyed by the Vatican. They of course kept everything which did fit their phylosophy. (power over the people)
    They murdered the Templars as well, so witnessses disappeared conveniently. In order words you cannot take these old scriptures for 100% thruth because the modern church society refuses to accept that these scriptures are indeed from all kind of sources of which the background is vague.
    Let alone the way people lived and thought at those times; fantasy's were as today often created under the influence as well; they still chew the beetle nuts as in the old days as well certain brews (see the Egyptian murals) So it is very difficult to know under what circumstances these documents were written; therefore see it only as a "semi" history document (some history is also not always correct), interwoven with the writers mind at that time in history. The "black" and "white" only way of interpretation of the churches on how to read this document is being pure ignorant of the real background of these writings.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Sorry,I like to add to the above story a few things ( it must be my age to forget things)
    Since the days of the first writings the "tools" and the "figures" used to write things, were not words nor using an alphabet. The first writings as far as we know were animal drawings etc. So even the Jewish old documents don't go back far enough to cover history more than 8000 years ago; thus were written much later. Since the only method in those days for preserving anything was carving it in stone like the Egyptians or Persians. Goatskin deterioates as well as parchment or chalk writings in caves etc. Therefore since most bible writings were written on goatskin, a lot has been lost or damaged over time. In order to put all these pieces and the missing damaged pieces together of different origin and writers, "someone" had to fill in the "blanks" in order to make it a coherent story; These "someones" range all the way back from the old "jewish priests" to the old Catholics and "left over disciples" in Rome in that time, who because of the Roman occupation had very little "actual documentation" while in Rome as prisoners. So what I conclude out all of this, (that is the reason for all these "tinted/influenced/programmed" "bible studies here) that this document is not at all what the churches preach.
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    Pastor Mark Wrote: Dear Piers,
    As a Baptist Minister, and someone who holds to the truth of God's Word, not my own beliefs or opinions, I fully disagree with Gay Marriage and unlike those you had on your show who are unwilling to speak out against it, I am fully willing to quote the Bible, God's Holy Word to you to prove it is not only wrong and a sin but an abomination unto God. Leviticus chapter 20 verse 13 boldly states, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death, their blood shall be upon them." It also speaks against this type of living in the New Testament. It does not matter what we believe in this world, we will all be judged by God's Word one day and held accountable for the choices we made whether good or bad.
    You are not a Baptist, you are a fundamentalist. I would rather live next door to gays(good folks, really) than thou.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    All of you you are great!! thanks, we all live on this tiny globe so lets be "tolerant" and accept this world is the way it is and let's be democratic in our every day life. Amen Pastor.