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No more school death, tell President Obama

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  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    I have been watching the school tragedy on CNN for over four hours, many are talking about “immediate action” from gun control to, well gun control, I cannot consider this as immediate action to prevent such a horrific scene.

    After seeing this for four hours, I finally figured out the one thing that could have for sure prevented this. No matter gun control laws, better security doors, one thing for sure would have prevented such a scene, a dog, a dog trained to sniff out guns, something any dog can do, a dog that would sacrifice its life to stop any gun man in school. Think about, if you were going to enter a school wrongfully, would you pick the one with the trained attack dog, or the one without a dog, just as a robber would do, avoid the place with the attack dog. If it were my child in public school, I would want them in the one protected by man’s best friend.

    Sure it will cost around twenty thousand for such a dog, but if President Obama wants to do something immediately to prevent such tragedy, then he will provide the funds to give EVERY public school an attack dog, more than one in larger schools, maybe one attack dog for every so many students. Where could he get the money for all these dogs, not buy a few war toys that is how. One F- 22 would pretty much cover the cost I would say. We pay taxes; it’s time that tax money is used for a social reason once, instead of war. For sure we have to tell Obama, unless you have a better idea, I haven’t heard one yet, not one that would work as great as a guard dog at school.
  • Other Party
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    Nothing will stop a person who is determined to kill people. He will shoot the dog or the armed guard on the way in. If he doesn't have a gun he will use a fertilzer bomb like McVeigh did. All the preventive measures in the world won't stop a killer who is determined enough. Sure, we can pass more laws and that may help some, but it won't be enough to stop a determined killer.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    jamesn Wrote: Nothing will stop a person who is determined to kill people. He will shoot the dog or the armed guard on the way in. If he doesn't have a gun he will use a fertilzer bomb like McVeigh did. All the preventive measures in the world won't stop a killer who is determined enough. Sure, we can pass more laws and that may help some, but it won't be enough to stop a determined killer.
    With a dog that school had a great chance this would of not happened. Did you ever shoot at a running target, especially if it was coming up behind you? A lot harder to hit than a child and a teacher. Besides, if the school had a guard dog or two, this coward would not of even tried this. I cannot think of a better choice to prevent this. Sure the teacher can carry a gun, but I would trust my child's safety to a good guard dog than a teacher with a gun any day.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "jamesn" I agree; if they have a "mindset" that way nothing stops them. We can built a East German wall around these schools but won't help either.
    The only thing here what will help, is another "mental" state of this country. Many more of these things probably will happen. Why? For a high percentage it is related to our wars; a lot of kids who come back are traumatised; either from drugs or mental impressions or have never been in an other country where they get shot at or their buddies killed. For these kids who have seen only fake killing on TV, "reality" is a total shock.
    Futhermore there are a lot of families here who have tremendous hardship; husband drunk or on drugs; no money to put food on the table and may be aggresive to their kids etc. An awful lot has to do with the society and culture here. It is way to easy especially for the "wrong" people to get guns (there are over 300 million around) and of course you got to use them; either shoot the neighbors cat or a squirel. What a lot of fun!
    So when all these guys come back from Afghanistan then the real "mental" party starts; I certainly do not hope so .
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    This is a most-interesting topic. Besides the cost of procuring the dog, one also has to consider the food, housing (yes, even on weekends, summers, and holidays), as well as exercising and cleaning-up after each dog. The biggest issue wold be the children's safety. How could a dog be trained to recognize intruders only, and not the children, delivery persons, janitors, teachers, and even parents that drop by at times other than admittance or dismissal? It just seems mind-boggling to me. I think the biggest threat is the number of guns in this country, however I have no idea how to fix that. There are mega-thousands of guns already owned, and I believe any criminal or maladjusted individual that really wants a gun can find one. Even re-instituting the assault weapons ban, although it surely couldn't hurt this effort, won't come close to solving it.

    So, even though I don't think this "dog for every school" would work, I applaud unitedmajority for at least offering up a possibility.
  • Other Party
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    Yes there are reportedly 300 million guns in this country, about one for every man, woman, and child and that's not even counting the illegal guns. That's too many to rid ourselves of even if the politicians had the backbone to try which they do not. Americans will never give up their guns. Period. And with so many guns out there the bad guys will always be able to get their hands on them. Dogs, robots, fences, moats, metal detectors...it doesn't matter, you may be able to slow some of them down but you will never stop all of them.

    I remember several years ago somebody shot and killed kids on campus from off campus with a high powered rifle. So they do not necessarily have to get the gun into the school building to kill people.

    2 many guns plus too many crazy people equals gun violence.
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    ABSOLUTELY jamesn, and no way to stop it. It just makes me sick that the U.S. (and probably many other countries as well) has gotten into such a dire and irreversible situation.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "michaels" read this what I put in the other "thread" about this masacre: ( suggest you read this other thread; at least 20 replies!!)

    Last year handguns killed:

    48 people in Japan

    8 people in Japan

    34 in Switserland

    52 in Canada

    58 in Israel

    21 in Sweden

    42 in West Germany

    10728 in the United States

    Congratulations; God bless America!!!

    Thus what you said about other countries is not quite the same as here!!!
  • Democrat
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    Right on, they are no way even in the same neighborhood as the U.S., but there is SOME of the same violence.
  • Other Party
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    and while we are talking about other countries, let's not forget Norway where just last year a crazy person killed about 60 or 70 as I remember and here's the ironic part: Norway has some very restrictive gun laws. There are lots of hunters in Norway and while it's fairly easy to get a license to own a hunting rifle or shotgun, there are some very extensive training requirements.

    BUT: The strict gun laws in Norway failed to stop that murderer from killing far more than were killed in the school tragedy in Conn this week.
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    michaels39301 Wrote: This is a most-interesting topic. Besides the cost of procuring the dog, one also has to consider the food, housing (yes, even on weekends, summers, and holidays), as well as exercising and cleaning-up after each dog. The biggest issue wold be the children's safety. How could a dog be trained to recognize intruders only, and not the children, delivery persons, janitors, teachers, and even parents that drop by at times other than admittance or dismissal? It just seems mind-boggling to me. I think the biggest threat is the number of guns in this country, however I have no idea how to fix that. There are mega-thousands of guns already owned, and I believe any criminal or maladjusted individual that really wants a gun can find one. Even re-instituting the assault weapons ban, although it surely couldn't hurt this effort, won't come close to solving it.

    So, even though I don't think this "dog for every school" would work, I applaud unitedmajority for at least offering up a possibility.
    I wish I could come up with a better solution, but I don't see one out there that would be better or even work. Dutch says our mind set is all screwed up, and he is right, but I don't see American ignorance changing too soon or too fast. Others want gun control, the only real gun control would be to take all our guns, but this should never happen in America, our constitiution gives us the right to bare arms, so if our government turns on the majoroty, we have a way to protect American values.

    Yes a dog is going to cost some cash, for a good one anyhow. Dogs can be trained to go after anyone packing a gun or attack a certain individual on command. These people packing their guns and bullets think they are God when they are unloading on helpless children and teachers, well, lets see how God like they are when they are grabbed by an attack dog from hell! Chances are, these cowards will avoid entering hell on earth, and stay far away from any public place with a dog trained to take down a gun man.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Like you guys, I've been watching the media and of course these "threads" I do not want to be negative, but a zillion words are spent on this happening and so on, I'll bet in about a month this will have died down and other things will hit the news. In other words; nothing will change in the world of gun control or its use. I just about guarantee that. In this government the NRA has always won; I guess that is how the lobby system works; the ones with the most money behind them always gets their way. Like I said in some of my other threads, if the lobby system stays the way it is like for the "warmachine", "doctors/pharma", NRA, "elections", "media" you name it, then this country will have to get used to these anomalies.
    You mentioned the shooting in Norway; don't you think that US influence via the modern "media"; murder movies, series, news etc. does not influence people there as well? My point is eventual the continuous violence on TV etc. works like brainwashing, also our wars add to that.

    How many "shootings did we have this fall; the "media" spents weeks on such a story "milk" it forever until the next happening. No one wants to accept that the real cause lies within the culture around the people; weak minds can not think rational and may absorb things different than clear thinking people. Parents here have a difficult task; especially if one of the parents is in the "army" they learn the wrong things "Dad is a hero because he shoots people". Also if both parents work there is no time to "educate/talk" to the kid about these things, because the parents got other things on their mind and may be themselves uneducated.

    So my message is all these "words" mean nothing; it should be the "deeds" of the elected officials who should be speaking in our name to make this a better country, which is not happening right now, they only listen to the "lobbyists" who shoves the most money in their direction.
  • Independent
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    Dutch Wrote: Like you guys, I've been watching the media and of course these "threads" I do not want to be negative, but a zillion words are spent on this happening and so on, I'll bet in about a month this will have died down and other things will hit the news. In other words; nothing will change in the world of gun control or its use. I just about guarantee that. In this government the NRA has always won; I guess that is how the lobby system works; the ones with the most money behind them always gets their way. Like I said in some of my other threads, if the lobby system stays the way it is like for the "warmachine", "doctors/pharma", NRA, "elections", "media" you name it, then this country will have to get used to these anomalies.
    You mentioned the shooting in Norway; don't you think that US influence via the modern "media"; murder movies, series, news etc. does not influence people there as well? My point is eventual the continuous violence on TV etc. works like brainwashing, also our wars add to that.

    How many "shootings did we have this fall; the "media" spents weeks on such a story "milk" it forever until the next happening. No one wants to accept that the real cause lies within the culture around the people; weak minds can not think rational and may absorb things different than clear thinking people. Parents here have a difficult task; especially if one of the parents is in the "army" they learn the wrong things "Dad is a hero because he shoots people". Also if both parents work there is no time to "educate/talk" to the kid about these things, because the parents got other things on their mind and may be themselves uneducated.

    So my message is all these "words" mean nothing; it should be the "deeds" of the elected officials who should be speaking in our name to make this a better country, which is not happening right now, they only listen to the "lobbyists" who shoves the most money in their direction.
    I agree with all you mentioned above, one point however has got me thinking, the both parents at work thing or the parents teaching their child killing is good. Parents should know if their child is a risk to society, so maybe in cases of mass murder, the parents should be arrested, unless they warn someone about their child's mental state. I'm not saying that would be fare for most crimes, but in the case of mass murder, the parents had to of dropped the ball some where, and they had to of known their child was capable of this. Maybe if parents are held accountable for their child's actions of mass murder, they may think twice before dropping the ball.
  • Other Party
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    Here's another example for you: A headline from yesterdays paper.

    CHINESE SLASHER INJURES 22 PUPILS

    Bejing-A knife weilding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest is a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and Kindergartens.

    This kind of violence is happening all over the world. Does the "US influence" get the blame for this one, as well?
  • Center Left
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    At this time we all wish we had answers. I surely don't have the answer. I wish that I did, or that someone did. Even if I did I doubt people would listen. It makes me think - on the subject of gun control. I realize gun control won't stop this from happening but it would be a step in the right direction. I wonder about engaging the NRA to participate in the debate. They hide from the subject. As I said, we can't stop this problem but a new set of rules on gun ownership might make us 5 or 10% safer. Even small steps forward are a good idea. I would call the NRA to the table to openly discuss this subject in depth. If they refuse, then they can't complain if/when society calls for more strict rules on gun ownership. I think that there should be a conference with politicians, public leaders, psychologists, parents, and the NRA to discuss the topic in depth. I am not against gun ownership and again, I don't think new laws regarding guns will solve the problem. I think that assault weapons, armor piercing bullets, etc. should be removed or more strictly regulated.

    On another topic, I heard a statement from a medical examiner who examined about 10 of the children. He said that there were a very large number of wounds to the childrens bodies. As many as 11 shots per body. Suggesting a massive numbers of rounds being fired. Talk about making a bad situation worse.