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More liberals need to speak up for Susan Rice

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Joe Klein recently went on television to defend Susan Rice and the administrations response to the Benghazi attacks that killed ambassador Stevens and was mocked for doing so. He laid out a very solid defense of the administrations handling of this attack and its response. Why aren't more liberals coming to her defense? What happened in Libya was a tragedy, but the Republicans have turned it into a political issue and they might succeed in derailing Susan Rice from being nominated Secretary of State if more liberals don't speak up for her like Joe Klein did.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    It's hard to understand the John McCain led vendetta against Susan Rice. She is highly qualified, yet McCain and his surrogates seem hell bent on blocking her nomination if in fact she is nominated.

    Rachel Maddow last night surmised that it might have nothing to do with Susan Rice at all personally. The Republicans would rather see John Kerry as Secretary of State as that would free up his Senate seat and put Scott Brown in a good position to win the vacancy.

    Kerry, of course, has also been mentioned as a possible Secretary of Defense, but there is no indication that Panetta is going to leave that quickly plus Kerry hasn't shown real interest in that job.

    So could it all be about the politics of the Massachusetts Senate seat as Rachel suggests?

    In any case, I agree with jaredsxtn. Dr. Susan Rice has impeccable credentials for the job, and Democrats need to get behind her big time.
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    Why? The Republicans seem to be doing a good job at making her a victim. Just line up a few whiteknights to step in and rescue her reputation. The old fools will look like bullies and Obama gets his choice for SoS.
  • Democrat
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    When I read the theme of this forum .....don't know why, but something Jack London once wrote popped into my mind......A liberal is someone who gets up and leaves the room when the fight begins...... What do you suppose he meant ?
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    Leftofcenter Wrote: When I read the theme of this forum .....don't know why, but something Jack London once wrote popped into my mind......A liberal is someone who gets up and leaves the room when the fight begins...... What do you suppose he meant ?
    I think he meant that the medic has to stay free of the fray in order to mend things when violence abates.
  • Independent
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    Yeah, what a silly games over the life of people. I wrote about this subject before. They play the same games at your work if they get the chance. So I hate to say that she is a victim of a "washington daily game of politics" The bad thing about it is that 4 people died, because of the real mistake of this ambassador who thought the Lybians were "friendly towards him and totally did not study the Libyan history or mentality.
    This fellow should never have trusted their smily faces in the first place; never should have signed on for the job without strong protection BEFORE he went there. Thus playing games around this thing is deplorable. Especially for anyone who gets sent out to any of these countries the statement applies: Do your homework and refuse to go there if you are not sure of whatever protection you need is not provided. Do not forget this world has changed; also "terrorist" have more info and tools. Americans are not loved at all , because of all their wars etc. so be aware of that a "smily face" who is nice to you could be fake in those countries. This should be a lesson learned for the State Dept.
    As I said to drag Susan Rice through the mud is as low as you can go; stick to the real issues and protect the people you sent out.
  • Democrat
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    I think a petiton should get started supporting Susan Rice.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Rachel Maddow continues her analysis of the McCain vendetta. She goes point by point ripping McCain's questions apart.


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#50003672


    McCain doesn't distinguish himself. As Rachel said, "This is getting ridiculous...getting stupider every day."

    Rachel has nailed it. It's not about Susan Rice but rather all about Scott Brown. McCain and the others that are echoing his stupidity are playing politics...Republican style. Add Susan Collins and Kelly Ayotte to the list. They should be embarrassed.



  • Democrat
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    WovenGems Wrote:
    Leftofcenter Wrote: When I read the theme of this forum .....don't know why, but something Jack London once wrote popped into my mind......A liberal is someone who gets up and leaves the room when the fight begins...... What do you suppose he meant ?
    I think he meant that the medic has to stay free of the fray in order to mend things when violence abates.
    Woven, If you are aware of London's politics I don't think that was what he was saying.... in fact, I'd bet my little patootie on it.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Ruth Marcus writing in the Washington Post this morning provides an alternative perspective on the attacks by Republicans on Susan Rice.

    Susan Rice and double standards

    Marcus asks:

    "Does gender — or the supercharged combination of gender and race — play a role/"

    "The controversy over Rice stems in part from the fact that she does not fit comfortably into this model of collegial, nurturing, division-healing woman. The adjectives used to describe her are fraught with sexist undertones. Blunt. Sharp-elbowed. Driven. Egotistical. Some of these terms come from her friends. No one thinks she would win Miss Congeniality.

    "It goes too far to say pure sexism, but I think gender plays a role, however subconscious. My analysis assumes that the Rice critique does not stem solely from her comments on a single Sunday morning of talk-show rounds. Something more is going on here: A touch of chummy old-boy (and old-girl, for that matter) networkism in support of Senate colleague John Kerry. A residue of bristling over previous encounters (see Rice’s tart 2008 comments about then-GOP presidential nominee John McCain)."


    Read Ruth Marcus's entire article at the above link. I didn't know much about Susan Rice and her personality before she became controversial, but she certainly has the experience. While Rachel Maddow has pointed towards a ploy to get John Kerry in the post to free up another run for the Senate by Scott Brown, Marcus's analysis also fits. Kerry although a Democrat is still a part of the white male establishment in the Senate and therefore preferred by Republicans over Susan Rice.

    But Susan Rice isn't the only target. According to some media reports, Elizabeth Warren is being opposed (or will be blocked) by Republicans from obtaining a seat on the Senate Banking Committee. But that's a topic for another post.

    I guess the Republicans are just more comfortable with an all white male make-up of committees and committee leadership. John Boehner's House committee assignments speaks to that.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I am not quite sure that the gender and racial politics play as big of a role in this as one would think. Jon Stewart did a wonderful job of digging up both McCain and Graham coming to the defense of Condi Rice when she was nominated for Secretary of State. They brushed aside any criticism of her for not only 9/11, but also her role in the Iraq conflict. So the real question should be "What is McCain's motive here?" I believe that the McCain attacks have multiple variables, but the main one is that he still isn't over the 2008 general election. I don't believe that he ever came to terms with the fact that he was handily beaten by a junior Senator from Illinois. He was the elder statesmen. It was supposed to be "his time."

    A big part of me wants to believe that the Republicans have to have something to attack President Obama on at all times. That is not abnormal and should be expected. What is abnormal is turning what should be a time for both Democrats and Republicans to come together to figure out what happened, as they did in the 1983 bombing in Lebanon, into a political minefield. Our consulates and embassies have been attacked 26 times throughout our history. This is the first one that I'm aware of that a political party is accusing the President of a cover up and of willfully ignoring security requests.

    My hope is that President Obama picks a fight with the Republicans and nominates Susan Rice for Secretary of State. The public polls are on his side and the Republicans would look like obstructionists if they filibustered someone that is highly qualified to be Secretary of State. I believe that the Republicans would blink before President Obama does.
  • Center Left
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    This topic is typical of something that almost makes me want to stop following politics. In the govt. there is such immature partisan games played that it gets in the way of actually running the country. The basis of the Susan Rice issue is the republicans are still sore that they lost so they are going to be obstructionist. They'll fight the pres. on anything that he wants. It's like children arguing on a playground. It's very frustrating but all too common.
  • Democrat
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    I fully agree and we might just have to wait 2 more years until Boehner and other Tea Party Repubs. in the House get ousted. I am so sick of their obstructionism that I almost, yes almost, wish that Romney could have won and we could watch the Senate defeat every issue passed by the House. But Romney was told NO and I believe the Tea Party will be told NO in two more years. It's just so hard to be patient.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Good points by everyone. There are multiple facets to this attack on Susan Rice. John McCain's attacks can certainly be construed to be personal as he has a history of vindictiveness. Some of it is also an indirect attack on President Obama. Politics may be a part of it as well since Republicans would like to have Scott Brown make another run at the Senate. I'll add one more perspective from Kathleen Parker's column this morning in the Washington Post. As you know Parker is a conservative columnist and has been highly critical of President Obama. But in this case she is defending Susan Rice.

    Washington Post, Opinion, Kathleen Parker, December 4, 2012: Susan Rice and the Senate’s blame game.

    Extracts from Parker's article:

    "In Ganglandia, it’s the New Kids vs. the Clinton Machine. How dare Rice, once a Clinton administration appointee, defect?

    "Clinton, a McCain buddy from their years together in the Senate, reportedly prefers another Senate pal, John Kerry, as her successor. So does McCain & Co. So, needless to say, does Kerry, whose chiseled jaw alone constitutes a diplomatic arsenal. There’s clearly no profit in Clinton, a likely presidential candidate in 2016, alienating allies and devaluing her own currency for Rice.

    "Even so, the opposition’s arguments are weak, chief among them that Rice isn’t qualified. This from McCain, whose vetting history includes about 80 minutes of conversation with Sarah Palin before selecting her as his running mate in 2008. McCain’s opinion about Rice’s qualifications is only slightly less compelling than his thoughts on Playtex vs. Spanx.
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    Parker goes on to promote Susan' Rice's qualifications and pick apart the Republican talking points including those by Susan Collins who criticized Rice's role as assistant secretary of state for African affairs. Parker closes with this line:

    "And thoughtful Republicans might reconsider the image of white men ganging up on a highly qualified black woman as they ponder the reasons for their collapsing tent. The road to redemption ain’t thataway."

    Sounds like good advice to me. For some Republicans like McCain, however, they are still fighting lost battles. McCain is one that will fight everything Obama until his last days.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I couldn't agree with you more, Schmidt. I really wonder what the Republicans agenda is here. As someone that loves political history, these battles don't surprise me very much, but what does surprise me is that the Republicans seem to only be going after the African-Americans in President Obama's inner circle. They started with Van Jones in 2009 and moved on to Attorney General Holder. Now that Holder seems to be on his way out, their next target is Ambassador Rice.

    What is tragic about race in America today is that it's more subliminal than it once was. Instead of overt racism, people now resort to more covert racism by using different action words that have a racial undertone. We now live in a society that when someone want's to say something racist, but doesn't want to be overt about it, all they have to say is "I'm not racist...but." . I'm not accusing all Republicans of being racist, but I do have to wonder why they only seem to be going after the minorities that are closely associated with our first black President.

    With the absolute beat down that the Republicans took from minorities in this past election, I really have to wonder what they can possibly be thinking. They must have not gotten the message that their policies are being completely written off by a vast majority of minorities in this country and things like this aren't going to bring many of them back on the Republican side.