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Mitt Romney Lies during 2nd debate, a running tally

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  • sbfriedman
    2012-10-16 11:32:13 PM
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    This is a forum to document and discuss/debate Romney's lies during the 2nd Presidential debate.

    Here are the lies I noticed, researched and realized were actually not true. Please add to this list to make it completely comprehensive.


    1. Mitt Romney says “oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land”.

    This is not true. The information was cherry picked and presented in a very misleading and incomplete manner.


  • Zach F
    2012-10-17 12:38:48 AM
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    2. Mitt Romney says "the president's policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour."

    Not true. Research in Obama’s foreign travels and remarks during his early presidency showed no evidence to support such a claim. No apologies were given.
  • JohnsonR23
    2012-10-17 11:24:03 AM
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    Zach F Wrote: 2. Mitt Romney says "the president's policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour."

    Not true. Research in Obama’s foreign travels and remarks during his early presidency showed no evidence to support such a claim. No apologies were given.

    Yes that is true. Ex: He apolizied for them attacking us. I wonder how many times he said sorry
  • the_ark
    2012-10-17 11:44:05 AM
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    It's not quite clear as to what some here are saying. The president went on a tourn, and we don't know what went behind closed doors. As to apologies, I don't see any apologies. The embassy at Cairo issued a statement when violent demonstrations were starting there, saying that the video was not from the government of the USA, and that the USA respects all religions.
    Mr. Romney should begin his debates with apologies, for all the misrepresantations, two-faced attitudes he has shown. That is not decent, and it is clear proof that he can't be trusted. He has no qualifiactions: governor, winter Olympics, mean nothing on a world stage. AS for his business experience, that is nonsense. The economy is not a business here or a business there: you just can't extrapolate his experience, to make money, to making jobs. On the contrary, he had done the opposite frequently.
    Romney behaves as though he were dealing with a corporation, and playing "hardball." Well, that does not count, does not translate into dealing with a country, all its social and ecomonic issues, and dealing with the world.
    We are part of the world and the world economic outlook also impacts is. Or has he been blind? No, I'd rather say he has been and is disonest.
  • William Cunningham
    2012-10-17 11:49:17 AM
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    Successful for HIM!! Not for the creditors who were owed money by the bussness that went bankrupt. And how close was that to what he payed himself. So his bussiness experence is to bankrupt all or half the states, or just where the 47% live?
  • michaels39301
    2012-10-17 12:47:35 PM
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    I say that probably the HUGEST lie of all was that Romney says his 5 point plan will create, and he actually said this, 12 MILLION JOBS in the next 4 years. That is a minimum of 3 million jobs each year, or more than that, if any of the first three years do not generate 3 million jobs. Just where or in what industries does he intend to create these jobs? And these are supposedly high-paying jobs as well, but he will not say anything that might even hint what sector of our economy they will involve.

    Another lie was Romney's reaction to President Obama's assertion that Mitt has serious money invested overseas, in Chinese, Indian, and other foreign holdings. Mitt said "Have you looked at your 401K lately? YOU also have money invested in these same locations." Then he added that his overseas investments are in a BLIND trust, implying what he has been saying all along that he himself has no control or knowledge regarding the placement or objectives of this money. BUT we all know that he himself COULD be the executor (if that's what you call it) of this trust, and have full knowledge and control over its performance. He could actually appoint himself as the executor.

    The third lie was the fact that Mitt said the President waited 2 weeks to announce that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist strike. The the President interrupted and said Governor Romney you are wrong, which was adamantly seconded by Ms. Crowley, and that left Mitt standing there in is misinformation and pure ignorance.

    Another lie was when Romney talked about gas prices. He said that when the President came into office, gas was priced at $1.86/gallon and now it is $4.00/gallon, so we have the President and his policies to thank for that. All that malarky and we all know that the President, any President, has no ability to change the price of oil because it is strictly a supply/demand phenomenon.

    I could go on, but must quit for now. Please feel free to continue this saga for me.

  • Zach F
    2012-10-17 02:40:27 PM
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    michaels39301 Wrote:

    Another lie was when Romney talked about gas prices. He said that when the President came into office, gas was priced at $1.86/gallon and now it is $4.00/gallon, so we have the President and his policies to thank for that. All that malarky and we all know that the President, any President, has no ability to change the price of oil because it is strictly a supply/demand phenomenon.

    I could go on, but must quit for now. Please feel free to continue this saga for me.



    Another aspect of this was just 4 months before he took office, average gas prices were higher than they are today. January of 2009 is a cherry picked number. The only reason that gas is so low at this time was because it is also the same month that the economy went to hell.
  • shortstuff
    2012-10-17 04:09:39 PM
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    Yes, Romney did lie. You should have listened to the programs after the debate and you would not have made this post. Obama cut permits on federal land 54% and 60% on offshore plus all the jobs he killed by shutting down all offshore drilling for so long.
  • shortstuff
    2012-10-17 04:22:35 PM
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    What story book have you been reading> Romney said build the pipeline from Canada and open up drilling on coastal and government land creating thousands of jobs plus will have to reopen coal mines that Obama had shut down.
  • michaels39301
    2012-10-17 04:46:52 PM
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    Oh yeah, Romney SAID that, but Romney is a proven full-time liar. So what if he said that? The pipeline itself would just be another amongst the dozens of others that already exist, and I bet NONE of those others would dare to contaminate their pipelines with that dirty un-sellabe shale oil from Canada until it goes through some expensive and repetitive cleaning cycles. If the Canadians clean this oil first, it would be cost-prohibitive to bring it to the U.S. as it could hardly compete both, price and quality wise, with anyone else's oil. If the Canadians sold it "as is" (dirty) the U.S. would be stuck with cleaning it before anyone else would buy it. There would be no winners here, so I think the entire project should be scrapped.

    AND, Obama did not shut down those coal mines, the government simply purchased coal mines that were not being operated and sold them to entrepeneurs would would and will operate them. Another Romney, if not lie, definitely mis-information.
  • the_ark
    2012-10-17 07:33:02 PM
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    The pipeline is opposed by many people in Canada, for serious environmental concerns. Yes, Mr. Harper really wants to push the pipeline deal through, but the whole pipeline is fraight with danger. Not to mention that extracting the oil from the tar sands is much more toxic and harmful than even drilling.
    And we have seen--or have we forgotten the Gulf of Mexico--what effects drilling will have. There is no way to ensure that such things won't happen again. So care has to be taken. even going after gas: the earthquake the damaged the Washington Monument was caused by driling for shale oil.
  • the_ark
    2012-10-17 07:34:40 PM
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    P.s. A follow-up to what i said above. Regarding Crown lands, President Obama pointed out that a lot of those lands were sitting there, and not being used for drilling. I suppose they were waiting for prices to go even higher. So just sitting on Crown lands is not a positive thing. That is where the administration changed things.
  • Disheke
    2012-10-17 08:27:14 PM
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    If we go over Mr. Romney's history over the past few years, it seems as if everything he ays is a lie or a modification of a previous lie.
  • Wes Charles
    2012-10-17 08:32:26 PM
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    Regarding lies, misdirections and confusing statements. One thing that Mitt Romney mentioned during the 2nd debate and Paul Ryan indicated was one of the three cornerstones of the Romney/Ryan tax plan is something I have heard no comment about.

    Mitt Romney indicated that the top 2% of income earners will continue to pay the same percentage of the total US tax bill. Just think about it. Governor Romney indicated that the top 2% currently pay 60% of the taxes of the US. If everyone was given the same 20% tax reduction, then they will automatically pay the same 60%. For instance, for each dollar the US currently receives from the US citizens, the 2% pay 60 cents. The rest of us pay the other 40 cents. If there is a 20% tax decrease, then the total received becomes 80 cents. If the 2% take 20% off the 60 cents they were paying, they will now pay 48 cents. The rest of us will pay the other 32 cents.

    Granted, the 2% are still paying 60% of the taxes, only they still get a 20% deduction from what they were previously paying. It's not about the percentage paid but the total taxes the top 2% should pay. I am kind of a math nut so when people start talking about figures, a little alarm goes off in my brain and I go into the analysis mode.
  • Wes Charles
    2012-10-17 08:52:30 PM
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    One other thing regarding the gasoline prices. When will people realize that we could double, even triple our production of oil and the only effect it would have on gasoline prices would be based on the addition to the total world oil and the resulting slight increase in supply, thus having a slight drop in gasoline prices. These oil companies aren't nice guys that would sell their US produced oil in the US at bargain prices. They sell at the world commodity prices for oil to whoever will pay it. The only variance would be the drop in transportation cost for US derived oil. That would be just a few cents per barrel.

    In a free enterprise economy, the government isn't going to suppress the price of oil for political expediency. The entire industry would collapse.
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