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Abortion Rights

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  • Democrat
    Indian Trail, NC
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    Too many politicians want to ban abortion, many with few if any exceptions.  What do they think will happen after the birth?  Those women who seek abortions have reasons they cannot or will not raise an unwanted child.  Adoption is not always an answer.  The truth is that unless it is a healthy white baby, finding adoptive families is difficult and too often impossible.  So, will these unwanted babies be consigned to orphanages?  How are the orphanages staffed and funded?  Do the states pick up the tab?  I would really like to hear the answers to these questions from some of those who are so adamant that there be no abortions.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    DebbieC Wrote: Too many politicians want to ban abortion, many with few if any exceptions.  What do they think will happen after the birth?  Those women who seek abortions have reasons they cannot or will not raise an unwanted child.  Adoption is not always an answer.  The truth is that unless it is a healthy white baby, finding adoptive families is difficult and too often impossible.  So, will these unwanted babies be consigned to orphanages?  How are the orphanages staffed and funded?  Do the states pick up the tab?  I would really like to hear the answers to these questions from some of those who are so adamant that there be no abortions.


    That would require them actually thinking about what they were proposing rather than just talking out theiri arse, repeating the same old religious & politically  expedient BS they have been programed to believe from birth.
  • Republican
    West Columbia, TX
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    We shouldnt even be having this discussion IMO - Abortion is criminal unless it severely causes a risk to the life of the mother - Abortion rates are staggering - we have annhilated millions of babies already this year that have no voice - we are the only voice they have - we could be using our brains to figure out how to care for those children that are unwanted instead of asking how we are going to do it - there is a way to take care of our own - killing them off in the name of choice and healthcare is proposterious! Rape does not constitute an excuse either - the baby doesnt know the mother was raped - the perpetratior should be punished - why do we throw the baby out with the bath water and sweep the perpetrator under the radar screen? Our American dilemma is we are lazy - we want to have freedom but dont know how to be responsible - it is totally irresponsible and barbaric to allow the kind of abortions that are going on today and the rate at which we are doing it-----you give an inch an we want a mile - that is why there is now partial birth abortions - babies being born with their brains sucked out coming out of the birth canal - babies still breathing, thrown on a steel table left to die - some survive and are living to tell about it. Do we want this kind of blood on our American hands??? I dont -
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    Now that we have a woman's perspective, how about a man's? Of course I was raised Catholic, so abortions are a no-no in my religious mind. I am a citizen of the U.S., so under the laws of this land, abortion is legal and does occur. In cases of rape and incest, neither baby would know anything about its conception until later in life maybe. But, forgetting any religious implications, what about the mother? It seems to me that she should have some input here, because she is the one who would have to carry this child for nine months, and then should the government be able to tell her she has to do this AND assume responsibility for that child that it was surely not her intention to produce, for up to18 years? I agree that the perpetrators should be punished and be required to support the child, but what about when the perpetrator cannot be found? This becomes an almost incomprehensible problem when one considers all the possible iterations and "what ifs" that could occur. I would have to say that we would be better off if all abortions were illegal. I have to go back to the religious aspect to explain this statement. I cannot help but think that the Lord would be LESS displeased by those women and children that die in/during childbirth, than He is by the vast number of human embryos and infants whose hearts are no longer beating because of some deliberate human action.

    This is just my opinion, and I am certainly not even trying to impose this thinking on anyone. This is each individual's decision to make, and I respect that.
  • Liberal
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    MycountryMywayRenee Wrote: We shouldnt even be having this discussion IMO - Abortion is criminal unless it severely causes a risk to the life of the mother - Abortion rates are staggering - we have annhilated millions of babies already this year that have no voice - we are the only voice they have - we could be using our brains to figure out how to care for those children that are unwanted instead of asking how we are going to do it - there is a way to take care of our own - killing them off in the name of choice and healthcare is proposterious! Rape does not constitute an excuse either - the baby doesnt know the mother was raped - the perpetratior should be punished - why do we throw the baby out with the bath water and sweep the perpetrator under the radar screen? Our American dilemma is we are lazy - we want to have freedom but dont know how to be responsible - it is totally irresponsible and barbaric to allow the kind of abortions that are going on today and the rate at which we are doing it-----you give an inch an we want a mile - that is why there is now partial birth abortions - babies being born with their brains sucked out coming out of the birth canal - babies still breathing, thrown on a steel table left to die - some survive and are living to tell about it. Do we want this kind of blood on our American hands??? I dont -


    So, YOUR religion and god is the ONLY correct one and all that do not obey YOUR beliefs are bad people whom shall no doubt go to YOUR hell?

    i don't think so! I don't really care what you or your religion believe. You obey your self imposed rules for life and let others obey theirs. Or, perhaps, you would like me to tell you how to live and what to believe? Is that really any different than you telling someone else how to live? I don't think so!

    Wake up my friend!
  • Center Left
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    PGR,
    Well said. I was trying to decide how to reply to this republican who has the knowledge to tell everyone how to live their lives..... but I think you said it best. Simple and to the point.
    Why is she at this site anyways ? Just looking for and argument ?
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    MycountryMywayRenee Wrote: We shouldnt even be having this discussion IMO - Abortion is criminal unless it severely causes a risk to the life of the mother - Abortion rates are staggering - we have annhilated millions of babies already this year that have no voice - we are the only voice they have - we could be using our brains to figure out how to care for those children that are unwanted instead of asking how we are going to do it - there is a way to take care of our own - killing them off in the name of choice and healthcare is proposterious! Rape does not constitute an excuse either - the baby doesnt know the mother was raped - the perpetratior should be punished - why do we throw the baby out with the bath water and sweep the perpetrator under the radar screen? Our American dilemma is we are lazy - we want to have freedom but dont know how to be responsible - it is totally irresponsible and barbaric to allow the kind of abortions that are going on today and the rate at which we are doing it-----you give an inch an we want a mile - that is why there is now partial birth abortions - babies being born with their brains sucked out coming out of the birth canal - babies still breathing, thrown on a steel table left to die - some survive and are living to tell about it. Do we want this kind of blood on our American hands??? I dont -



    If you really believed in God and your religion, you would realize that an unborn fetus is not a living soul, at least not in the bibles eyes. What, do you think God will flush an abortion down the toilet too? You should also realize God gave us the freedom to choose, good or bad. It is not up to you or your religion to go against God, not in the name of God for God's sake! As far as freedom goes, the freedom to choose is its greatest meaning. If you take the right to choose away, you are a dictator, that is not what America is supposed to be, stop being such a Republican and start listening to your own bible. Then you will realize how ridiculous you sound above.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    The statements of that Indiana Mourdough candidate made about "rape" and abortions is absolutely freak like.
    When the by PEOPLE written Bible was created, birthcontrol nor abortions were known at that time; in other words churches on their own created their own rules.
    Christian fanatics are as bad as Muslim fanatics, what is happening now is that the gap between church and state gets narrower by the day.
    The Constitution clearly states there should be seperation between church and State.
    This law should be strongly defended. Do not forget all religions and "god's" are/were created by people only (no one from outerspace learned to write yet)
  • Democrat
    Meridian, MS
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    When the Bible was written, there were no abortions or birth control, BUT it was human beings that created both of these. I have no doubt that there WAS rape at that time though, again created by humans. Much later on in society, humans did create abortions and ultimately birth control. Rather early on, the churches took it upon themselves to try and correct some of what humans had created against the 10 Commandments. However, this is only a church issue, as opposed to an issue for the state, UNLESS an existing state or Federal law is broken while these issues are unraveling.

    Let's consider rape--this would be a crime in America today under state and/or Federal law, but at the same time, it would also be against the moral teachings of any religion I am familiar with. Thus there is an offense against BOTH church and state, even though the two are separate entities, and the implications are dramatically different. No church in America today can sentence an individual to prison for raping another individual, but a state sure can.

    Let's consider abortions--this would NOT be a crime in America today under state and/or Federal law, but at the same time, it would be against the teachings of some religions. Again, these religions cannot sentence any American citizen to prison for having an abortion.

    Finally, let's consider birth control--this would NOT be a crime in America today, but it would be against the moral teachings of some religions, Again, these religions cannot sentence any American to prison for having used birth control medications, or even for having manufactured birth control medications.

    I believe these examples clearly show the separation of church and state. I also believe that it was God who created religion by giving Moses the Commandments.
  • New Jersey
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    While I respect MyConntry's right to their beliefs, several thoughts occured to me while reading the post. When speaking of the "no voice" of the baby in question, what do you suppose that voice would say if left in the hands of an emotionally and physically challenged mother? One who doesn't want the baby or can not afford financally to care for the many things babies need, including being wanted and loved. Would you be there to heal both mother and child from the raveges of rape, proverty, depression, etc.? Would you give out of your resources and time to aid in childhood development to adulthood? You state that abortion rates are staggering -so as well are domestic violence and childhood abuse. Unwanted children place enormous strains on women that do not have resources. Many take their anger out on the baby who is as you say -helpless.

    Many rape victums turn to drugs and alcohol to deterr the feelings of guilt, shame, rage, etc. Babies left in that environment fail to thrive. And the same voices that want abortion banned -are also many times for reducing/cutting social programs that would give aid to these needy people. Adoption is not always the answer. A sad fact of life is so called "baby marts". People willing to buy babies and sell into horrific situations.

    It is true that this is a difficut subject, with many complications. But in the end -I believe it should be up to each individual to make hard decisions with their own personal God, their doctor, and whatever their convictions dictate. It should be an American right to be an individual and keep government and people with opposing opinions out of their bodies, and personal life's decisions.

    In my opinion, all of this topic is mute unless the person who supports banning abortion, and believes that is should be criminal - offers to adpot said children,take them into their own lives and pay for their shelter, food, clothing, give of their time and love. If they do not do this -then they should quiet their voice in blame and condemnation of others who do not share their beliefs, and instead follow thier own path to what is right for them.

  • Democrat
    Lawrence, MA
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    MycountryMywayRenee Wrote: We shouldnt even be having this discussion IMO - Abortion is criminal unless it severely causes a risk to the life of the mother - Abortion rates are staggering - we have annhilated millions of babies already this year that have no voice - we are the only voice they have - we could be using our brains to figure out how to care for those children that are unwanted instead of asking how we are going to do it - there is a way to take care of our own - killing them off in the name of choice and healthcare is proposterious! Rape does not constitute an excuse either - the baby doesnt know the mother was raped - the perpetratior should be punished - why do we throw the baby out with the bath water and sweep the perpetrator under the radar screen? Our American dilemma is we are lazy - we want to have freedom but dont know how to be responsible - it is totally irresponsible and barbaric to allow the kind of abortions that are going on today and the rate at which we are doing it-----you give an inch an we want a mile - that is why there is now partial birth abortions - babies being born with their brains sucked out coming out of the birth canal - babies still breathing, thrown on a steel table left to die - some survive and are living to tell about it. Do we want this kind of blood on our American hands??? I dont -


    Dear Renee, I have tried to interest right to lifers in the following idea off and on for years now....with limited success. Fot what it's worth this is my thinking on the issue. ....Whether or not a human being exists from inception is something that is argued about. But unless the pregnancy is terminated it definitely will become a human being. So pro choicers can say abortion is not killing a human, but there is no question that they are intefering with the inevitable birth of a human being. That being said...... do those of us who believe this have the right to inflict our beliefs on others who do not? Human beings have had a long hard struggle over the centuries to rid ourselves of things like slavery and indentured servitude. From a Christian point of view the desire to force our beliefs on others does not find support in the New Testament . Nowhere do we find Jesus telling his followers to go to the authorities or the political power of his day and tell them to force people to live according to his teaching. But beyond all this is the fact that we live in a culture of death. The US has killed at least a million people in foriegn lands since the end of WW!!. We have many millions of people here at home living in poverty ...some of it extreme. Our society is arranged in a manner that often makes abortion seem a viable choice for women. For example, today women must earn a living even when a husband is on the scene. We live in a society where bringing a child into the world is something they oten can't do without a major disruption in their lives and possible financial disaster...... We live in a society that is arranged so that the economic ruling class ...the rich...... can continue its dominance at the expense of the majority of citizens.......People who are working to end or diminish abortion in this country should be examining and protesting the social arrangement that makes abortion seem like a reasonable option.....To call for an end to abortion while not addressing the economic system that breeds it is, in my estimation, myopic at best and certainly an excercise in futility.....Supposing Roe vs. Wade could be overturned. Does anyone believe that would stop abortions ? Of course not. It would merely drive them back into the back alleys where they took place before the advent of safe and legal abortion. So if we believe in life and its enhancement.....if we believe in justice and equity for everyone in so far as that is attainable in human society.....we should be looking to change the societal arrangement we are now saddled with.....daunting as that task may be.
  • Democrat
    Mobile, AL
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    To the yo-yo who said thath he believes that rape is the will of God then abortion must also be the will of God. Right?
  • Independent
    Plymouth, WI
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    michelangelo1937 Wrote: To the yo-yo who said thath he believes that rape is the will of God then abortion must also be the will of God. Right?




    Pretty crazy how some religions have their believers believing God is responsible for all that happens on earth. I give God credit for all the good here; an opposite force will take the blame for all that is evil. Is that so hard to understand, maybe, if you have been brain washed from a money wanting church. God must want to ring some church leader’s necks, he will, but not here on earth, it would be nice to see what happens to the money criminals that use the name of the lord in vain for personal gain.


  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    "united majority" I fully agree. I read, that Mr. Romney is whitewashing his money via the Mormon church (see the "post" about this) Indeed "people" are responsible for their own actions on this earth; "all kind of "god's do not control that. Just take the test and cross the street when the bus comes full speed. Anyway I'm convinced that the universe itself goes its own way with or without people. For instance abortions etc. are not something in which "outer-space" meddles; only in the U.S. is that an hot topic because of the abundant number of human created churches here, who want to put their will onto people for "power over the people" purpose. (creating more future "souls" for their church is the objective of the church)
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    A couple things.
    1) Thank goodness we should all be Dems here with our huge tent and our respect for the opinions of others. If not go find an outlet at Fox or with Rush.

    2) Sorry but history can tell you that birth control was used at the time of the Bible. Animal entrails/ coitus interruptus, etc. Folks will find a way.