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"War on Democracy" Voter Suppression

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    deau can't do what Trump does, because of real "laws" related to the "limits" of his power. Neither can Trudeau lock up little kids without approval from the Parliament. In this country they absolutely have no "draaiboek" ( Dutch) which means no "book/document" which exactly defines the limits of a president. I never heard in any other country that Presidents can dictate tariffs or rip little kids out of their mothers arms and then afterwards can't reunite them with their parents. Total incompetence. Neither the "vetting" of a president is done here; this "idiot" has barely any schooling; the Warton school he attended said, he was the worst student ever, but his KKK Daddy bought him a "diploma".

    Actually, the prime minister's office (PMO) has immense power. The last prime minister used it quite a bit, he was often altering budgets of various government agencies. This new prime is a little reluctant, but may do so more. For example, Mr. Trudeau just bought Canadians a $4.5 billion pipeline. I don't think that went through the onerous process of Parliament.

    The check-and-balance of the PMO are the back-bench MPs who will never likely rise very high to be that influential. If the PMO annoys too many of them with unsound policies, these MPs start to leave the governing party, and the governing party loses its ability to maintain a majority vote. That is how the Westminster system works.

    If we are to bring back Mr. Trump into this discussion, I would say that he would have stood a 0% chance of rising very high in a future system of governance called Tiered Democratic Governance. Same goes for Ms. Clinton! If we don't want people like that calling the shots, then we have to look at replacing the system. If we don't look a new system, then we should expect more of the same.

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    Dave; when I lived in Canada ( 1960 to 1969) I was to young to get involved in politics; thus I only worked in the "cold" climate making ends meet. Thus I don't know much about the present way of governing up there. But anyway in the Netherlands the Prime Minister has little say; the King nothing at all, except more a Ceremonial activity. My feeling is that any British originated system is always kind of "antique". ( like also the "inches"; driving on the wrong side of the road and having "clotted cream"etc. ha ha)
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    Dutch: I haven't studied much political science, but I am amazed at the various forces that make western democracy work the way it does work. It's interesting to see the forces clash and collide, and in the end, we get a compromise of some kind. When a political leader gets too far out of balance, either the party reins him in--or the electorate.

    The freedom of peaceful protest is a force that is keeping Mr. Trump somewhat at bay. While such protests are not going to change his mind, they are creating a political force for the November elections. I predict 70% of the House seats go D. The Senate should swing to D majority as well. But please do not come to the conclusion that I believe this change will solve things. THe 30% of Americans who like the T will still be there.

    I am also seeing the recent immigration debacle as more of a lightning rod for many other issues that are not getting the attention they should get. For example, nary a word was said when Mr Trump opened up offshore drilling licences for petroleum exploration for the East and West coasts. This should have been a national debate!

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    Dave Volek Wrote:

    Dutch: I haven't studied much political science, but I am amazed at the various forces that make western democracy work the way it does work. It's interesting to see the forces clash and collide, and in the end, we get a compromise of some kind. When a political leader gets too far out of balance, either the party reins him in--or the electorate.

    The freedom of peaceful protest is a force that is keeping Mr. Trump somewhat at bay. While such protests are not going to change his mind, they are creating a political force for the November elections. I predict 70% of the House seats go D. The Senate should swing to D majority as well. But please do not come to the conclusion that I believe this change will solve things. THe 30% of Americans who like the T will still be there.

    I am also seeing the recent immigration debacle as more of a lightning rod for many other issues that are not getting the attention they should get. For example, nary a word was said when Mr Trump opened up offshore drilling licences for petroleum exploration for the East and West coasts. This should have been a national debate!

    Dave about the offshore drilling; when I worked for Shell Canada we made seismic records of the coast of Vancouver Island; but we never drilled there; later I was off to the artic (Inuvik) we did drill there. Anyway like I've said many times an President should not have the powers to determine such, as well tariffs, wars, trade, immigration etc etc. But in this stupid country they don't blink an eye if the bully opens his mouth. He's also trying to go around the WTO or get out of it, but that will be difficult. Now he's attacking NATO as well Canada related to military investments. I hope these countries keep an cool head. This guy must be the biggest ass in the world right now.
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    ut in this stupid country they don't blink an eye if the bully opens his mouth. . . . . I hope these countries keep an cool head. This guy must be the biggest ass in the world right now.

    I do not fully understand the American system, especially the presidential executive orders. I found it strange that offshore drilling could be stopped and started by the stroke of a pen from one person. I also found that FDR built his New Deal mostly on executive orders rather than manipulating Congress. So Mr. Trump is bringing nothing new to this process.

    Having said that, the PMO (prime minister's office) in Canada has similar powers. For example, our former prime minister is a climate change denier. He got rid of a lot of scientists by reducing the budgets of various government agencies. No act of parliament there.

    But this change did not go down without a lot of public protest. In the end, firing the scientists contributed a few nails to his political coffin.

    From north of the border,I see a lot opposition to a lot of what Mr. Trump is doing. Even though the offshore drilling didn't get much attention, other things are getting people out into the streets in protest. I doubt Mr. Trump is going to change his mind because of these protests, but underneath these protests is percolating and organizing and coalescing a strong anti-Trump movement that should affect the November elections.

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    I'm with you to a point. Messaging is critical in making an impact. An optimal message is one that will turn some rw heads. To do that we need to consider their gripes with elections or it's too easily an immediate dismissal. A war on democracy could by their perspective easily include the alleged illegal immigrant problem. So the question is who are we trying to appeal to?
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    Grainbelt Wrote: I'm with you to a point. Messaging is critical in making an impact. An optimal message is one that will turn some rw heads. To do that we need to consider their gripes with elections or it's too easily an immediate dismissal. A war on democracy could by their perspective easily include the alleged illegal immigrant problem. So the question is who are we trying to appeal to?
    Everyone, we need to be inclusive. The worst thing that someone called voters was the deplorables. The last thing a candidate should do is denigrate voters.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Grainbelt Wrote: I'm with you to a point. Messaging is critical in making an impact. An optimal message is one that will turn some rw heads. To do that we need to consider their gripes with elections or it's too easily an immediate dismissal. A war on democracy could by their perspective easily include the alleged illegal immigrant problem. So the question is who are we trying to appeal to?
    Everyone, we need to be inclusive. The worst thing that someone called voters was the deplorables. The last thing a candidate should do is denigrate voters.
    Sure, but how about "educating" voters so that they don't become "deplorables"? Furthermore require that the one's we vote for are also indeed "educated". Like trump who was the worst student at Warton and Daddy "bought" a certificate for him.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    Grainbelt Wrote: I'm with you to a point. Messaging is critical in making an impact. An optimal message is one that will turn some rw heads. To do that we need to consider their gripes with elections or it's too easily an immediate dismissal. A war on democracy could by their perspective easily include the alleged illegal immigrant problem. So the question is who are we trying to appeal to?
    Everyone, we need to be inclusive. The worst thing that someone called voters was the deplorables. The last thing a candidate should do is denigrate voters.
    Sure, but how about "educating" voters so that they don't become "deplorables"? Furthermore require that the one's we vote for are also indeed "educated". Like trump who was the worst student at Warton and Daddy "bought" a certificate for him.
    That would be a very good starting point. I am still concerned about the republican gerrymandering too, we have redrawn red districts in the US. That places democrats at a disadvantage.