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    pgr,

     

    I like your thinking; it is the same as what came first the chicken or the egg, simple enough of a question but one impossible to give a simple answer to.   Personally, it doesn’t matter to me which came first, but for many God is a question they will never give up seeking proof to.  There is a lot of proof out there of God, but it is for most personal proof with no hard evidence for the rest of us.  We do know for a fact Jesus was real, the Jews don’t even deny that, but the Jews say he was no one special, others feel the opposite, again this is a circle jerk of thoughts for sure.  Science likes to think in a straight line, but in reality, most concepts are a circle, science may need to re think it’s strategy?   

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    eternal flame Wrote: Once you realize that this is the first generation of mankind that can create the Hubble Telescope, and the orbiting satellites to project images back to earth showing all the majesty of our Universe, and all the revolving solar systems, & enormous revolving Galaxies -- & how Infinite & Eternal this Creation is, --- & we are barely a speck or even a Termite in the whole scheme of things. It gives you such a feeling of Awe and Wonder, that we can behold these things. And even more wonder that what we see in the telescope is just a replica of what we see in the microscope --- when we peek down at invisible microbes, intricate delicate organisms, miniature plants and animals, & the very beginning cells of Life itself. But wonder of wonders, even smaller are the atoms, with protons & orbiting electrons  -- a REPLICA of those gigantic orbiting planetary systems. A Fascinating Mystery.

    It really has to put an impression on the Mind, that there is something VAST, All POWERFUL, & extremely organized and creative, & INFINITE, that is responsible for all this beauty. It could not really have happened all by accident?  Then came along the concept of EVOLUTION, which explains many of the developments of primitive plants and animals, & how they changed gradually into more complex creatures, ending with human beings.  And we begin to see that the Study of Science, is actually the Study of HOW GOD works.

    None of these things were mentioned in the Bible because that was written in Primitive times, when mankind did not even know where babies came from, & even started the legend of the Stork. They did not know if the sun revolved around the earth, or vice versa. They thought that the Earth was flat, & if you sailed out too far on the ocean, you would Fall Off.  So we are of the first technological generations, that are seekers of Knowledge. We LOVE to DISCOVER new things.

    In this uncertain world, with daily problems, crisis, disaster, & turmoil, even international upheavals, WHO CAN WE TURN TO?
    It is such a source of COMFORT to have a Faith --- a sustaining source of power, & a force for Good, within our hearts & souls.  


    I always like to read your words, they seem to support my thoughts as well.  Science will evolve, but it is clear to me, man is created.   
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    unitedmajority Wrote:

    pgr,

     

    I like your thinking; it is the same as what came first the chicken or the egg, simple enough of a question but one impossible to give a simple answer to.   Personally, it doesn’t matter to me which came first, but for many God is a question they will never give up seeking proof to.  There is a lot of proof out there of God, but it is for most personal proof with no hard evidence for the rest of us.  We do know for a fact Jesus was real, the Jews don’t even deny that, but the Jews say he was no one special, others feel the opposite, again this is a circle jerk of thoughts for sure.  Science likes to think in a straight line, but in reality, most concepts are a circle, science may need to re think it’s strategy?   



    Where is it proven (for a fact) that Jesus ever existed? In the bible, history books, archeological finds/sites? I'm with the Jews on this one I think. Someone (maybe named Jesus) probably existed in around that era and he was an itinerant  preacher with a lot of good ideas. Son of God - that's a pretty big stretch considering how full of inaccurate facts the bible is, not to mention reality. I think there is as much factual truth in the existence of Jesus as there is in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy but then agin I'm NOT a believer ;)!
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    This is not what is said with Jewish faith or with Christian faith. God was never created, but created all things. The Apostle John spoke of how things became. What do we know about these things in science? We know there is the word infinity and we usually show this with the sideways 8 sign and make it equal to 0/1. Then we know that the major works and writings of the Apostles speak of things which make little sense at times. But it would when written. It says in the beginning was Christ, and yet it tells us He always existed. This seems to be a paradox, but we also note that He said He knew us even before we were in our Mother's womb is also strange.

    Our science now claims 11 dimensions. We see 3 and know the forth as time. We hear of those who have passed through some of these in dreams and find out that it had to happen because what was shown to them, they could not know here on earth! A Grandfather who was never spoke of seen by a child and given info to give back to his parents. I also have experienced a very scary trip in the other world. I had a temperature of 106 and, I think I was passing into death of this body. The Doctor was about to arrive because they did do emergency visits back then. My mother had just taken my temperature and it was 108! My Mother and Father did not call the Doctor until I leaped from my bed and ran past my Mother out of the bedroom screaming! I saw a place that was so dark there could not of been any light at all. Yet I saw four figures and they kept, one at a time, accusing me of things, which I did not understand, but somehow, I knew they were lying! They had horrible demonic and corrupt faces. Could a child dream these things? I never saw anything like this in any movie.. I loved Sci-Fi, but back then there was none like this!

    A Pastor was told by the Spirit that his son would take over his ministry. Suddenly a sickness to his sons life. His son was given the usual for burial and they were carrying the casket to the graveyard. The Father reminded God what he had been told. Suddenly the son sat up and was alive. This had many witnesses. This son has visited the USA with his story and has taken over the ministry of his father, but also is allowed to tour the world. God is more real, people, than anything we see with our 5 senses.
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    Bungal Wrote: This is not what is said with Jewish faith or with Christian faith. God was never created, but created all things(Why? Lonely?). The Apostle John spoke of how things became. What do we know about these things in science(They are not science, thus...)? We know there is the word infinity and we usually show this with the sideways 8 sign and make it equal to 0/1. Then we know that the major works and writings of the Apostles speak of things which make little sense at times. But it would when written. It says in the beginning was Christ, and yet it tells us He always existed. This seems to be a paradox, but we also note that He said He knew us even before we were in our Mother's womb is also strange.

    Our science now claims 11 dimensions(No it doesn't!!!!). We see 3 and know the forth as time. We hear of those who have passed through some of these in dreams and find out that it had to happen because what was shown to them, they could not know here on earth(hearsay)! A Grandfather who was never spoke of seen by a child and given info to give back to his parents. I also have experienced a very scary trip in the other world. I had a temperature of 106 and, I think I was passing into death of this body. The Doctor was about to arrive because they did do emergency visits back then. My mother had just taken my temperature and it was 108! My Mother and Father did not call the Doctor until I leaped from my bed and ran past my Mother out of the bedroom screaming! I saw a place that was so dark there could not of been any light at all. Yet I saw four figures and they kept, one at a time, accusing me of things, which I did not understand, but somehow, I knew they were lying! They had horrible demonic and corrupt faces. Could a child dream these things? I never saw anything like this in any movie.. I loved Sci-Fi, but back then there was none like this!

    A Pastor was told by the Spirit that his son would take over his ministry. Suddenly a sickness to his sons life. His son was given the usual for burial and they were carrying the casket to the graveyard. The Father reminded God what he had been told. Suddenly the son sat up and was alive. This had many witnesses. This son has visited the USA with his story and has taken over the ministry of his father, but also is allowed to tour the world. God is more real, people, than anything we see with our 5 senses.
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    Great story but as I said before "Where is there any real, concrete proof that Jesus (let alone God) exists/existed?

    NONE - just a lot of circular references and persons experiences that, although I don't doubt they truly believe are real , are really no more factual than what a magician can make you see, feel, think & believe. 
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    unitedmajority Wrote: Maybe I am not being fair, but [some posters] have presented numerous evidence of evolution that some how in your opinion's, erased any possible chance that God is real.  


    UM,

    I realize you wrote that in response to someone else. But I've been one who has provided evidence of evolution and posted a link to an article about Evolution vs Creationism, which states that Evolution is the way God created the world.

    It's probably safe to say that most people who believe in God believe that Evolution is the way God created the world, and that creation stories such as the one in the book of Genesis are allegorical and not even meant to be taken as literal.

    The fact of Evolution does not "erase" the fact that God is real. God is very real. It's just that so few have really known, and so few really know, what God really is. That's why I recommend the article on The Nature of God.
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    pr Wrote: Great story but as I said before "Where is there any real, concrete proof that Jesus (let alone God) exists/existed?

    NONE - just a lot of circular references and persons experiences that, although I don't doubt they truly believe are real , are really no more factual than what a magician can make you see, feel, think & believe. 


    pgr,

    Did you look at any of the links that Guy Dwyer posted?  I don't think anyone really argues the existence of Jesus, he is in the history books as well as the bible, what is argued among many is whether or not Jesus was just one of us or someone very special, or even God in some eyes.  There are a lot of things that point to God being real, as far as concrete evidence, I guess that is up to the individual to decide, just like the big bang and many other science theories.  No, man will never have undisputable proof of God for mankind to see and hold, again for a very good reason, most only have faith and a few lucky will have personal proof of God.  I still have the stories to post; for sure I would like to talk again once you see them. 




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    pr Wrote: Great story but as I said before "Where is there any real, concrete proof that Jesus (let alone God) exists/existed?

    NONE - just a lot of circular references and persons experiences that, although I don't doubt they truly believe are real , are really no more factual than what a magician can make you see, feel, think & believe. 


    pgr,

    Did you look at any of the links that Guy Dwyer posted?  I don't think anyone really argues the existence of Jesus, he is in the history books as well as the bible, what is argued among many is whether or not Jesus was just one of us or someone very special, or even God in some eyes.  There are a lot of things that point to God being real, as far as concrete evidence, I guess that is up to the individual to decide, just like the big bang and many other science theories.  No, man will never have undisputable proof of God for mankind to see and hold, again for a very good reason, most only have faith and a few lucky will have personal proof of God.  I still have the stories to post; for sure I would like to talk again once you see them. 






    As a matter of fact I did but I've too busy to post a full reply. I do have to agree with Guy Dwyer on many levels and he puts it all very well, however, having said that I still would like to see some proof that Jesus ever really existed (not to mention he was the "son" of God) other than in the bible and "He is in the history books". What history books, for example? Written by whom and for what real reason?

    I'm looking forward to your stories ;)
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    When I read the new testament I came to conclusion Jesus was preaching spiritualism and not religion. And given the Temples colusion with Rome that should come as no surprise. It would seem his followers corrupted the message after his withdrawal from the scene. Notice I do not say death. As that is still a question. Or if Jesus did take his body to Heaven is he the only one there who still pees?
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    pr Wrote: I do have to agree with Guy Dwyer on many levels and he puts it all very well, however, having said that I still would like to see some proof that Jesus ever really existed (not to mention he was the "son" of God) other than in the bible and "He is in the history books". What history books, for example? Written by whom and for what real reason? 


    Thanks for the agreement "on many levels." I appreciate that.

    As for proof that Jesus existed, one of the historians that wrote of Jesus was an unbiased Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, who wrote that "Jesus won over many Jews and Greeks," and he even mentioned James, the brother of Jesus.

    Josephus did not, however, mention anything about Jesus being the "son of God" or anything like that.
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    WovenGems Wrote: The universe has no need for any Gods but mankind does. Even this lone planet has no need for one. Life was here before we were and life will be here after we are gone. It seems the need for God is based on a desire to be above all life on this planet. We created God to satisfy our egos. We are slowly moving out of the age of religions.


    Very well said!
    The scripture of most religions is nothing more than a political manifesto.  "Faith" in gods allows us not to rely on our own minds to answer important questions.  Why do you think politicians close every speech with "God bless you", "God bless the troops!" and "God bless America!"  It makes us willing puppets for corporations and churches to milk for $$$.
    How convenient that the god we invented chose us to be his little darlings with the right to kill and maim each other and all other species on this planet.

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    A little kid, me, was kicked out of church for this;
    "why did God make humans?"
    "to worship him"
    "what's wrong with God that he needs that?"
    "Please leave and don't come back".

    Reasoning is not wanted by any religion as not one one of their stories is hole free.
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    Thinkin' Folks Books Wrote:
    WovenGems Wrote: The universe has no need for any Gods but mankind does. Even this lone planet has no need for one. Life was here before we were and life will be here after we are gone. It seems the need for God is based on a desire to be above all life on this planet. We created God to satisfy our egos. We are slowly moving out of the age of religions.


    Very well said!
    The scripture of most religions is nothing more than a political manifesto.  "Faith" in gods allows us not to rely on our own minds to answer important questions.  Why do you think politicians close every speech with "God bless you", "God bless the troops!" and "God bless America!"  It makes us willing puppets for corporations and churches to milk for $$$.
    How convenient that the god we invented chose us to be his little darlings with the right to kill and maim each other and all other species on this planet.



    I think the problem is that most religious folks don't really know what God is. And the ones who wear their religion on their sleeve have no clue.

    They tend to think that God was made in their image, but actually it's the other way around.

    The thing is, when it was originally said that we are made in God's image, it did not mean that God is or looks like a human being. In fact, Moses wrote that "God is not a man, nor a son of man." And even Jesus of Nazareth said to his disciples: "You have not heard God's voice or seen God's shape at any time."

    No, God is not a "He" or a "She" or an Almighty but unseen Superman. God is the eternal, infinite omnipresent Great Spirit. And the "image" of God is formless Divine Light Energy, and we are made in God's "image" in that we are children of Light Energy, which is the essence of all life and form, from the smallest nano particle to the atom to the galaxy to the universe. And it has Consciousness, called Cosmic Consciousness, which pervades all.

    The wise say seek the truth within, because it's there. Most people just don't realize it because they have not transcended ego yet, and most never do.

    Read The Nature of God.
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    WovenGems Wrote: When I read the new testament I came to conclusion Jesus was preaching spiritualism and not religion. And given the Temples colusion with Rome that should come as no surprise. It would seem his followers corrupted the message after his withdrawal from the scene. Notice I do not say death. As that is still a question. Or if Jesus did take his body to Heaven is he the only one there who still pees?


    I believe too that Jesus’s real message was lost in the construction of the Catholic religion and others after.  I could never understand why the old and the New Testament are sold as one book, and why religions who believe in Jesus resort to the Old Testament when it comes to the preaching and worshiping of God.  But I too realized, if the Catholics didn’t use the Old Testament in their religion, there was no way for the Catholics to become rich. The Jews don’t use the New Testament for anything, any real religion about Jesus would not use the Old Testament, yet until recently, you had to buy the Old Testament when buying the New Testament, again to justify money for your religion to prove faith.

     

    Yes many religions want us to be unquestioning faith guided members, but that is the extreme opposite of what Jesus said himself.