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    Well that helps explain your reluctance to post them at present, however, perhaps you could give us a "short" version, sort of a "taste" of what you are thinking and how and why it changed your life for the better.

    Good luck with your endeavor no matter what.
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    pr Wrote: Well that helps explain your reluctance to post them at present, however, perhaps you could give us a "short" version, sort of a "taste" of what you are thinking and how and why it changed your life for the better.

    Good luck with your endeavor no matter what.


    No, you are right pgr,  the stories I spoke of are only the first stories in the book,  if what you say about a copy write is true, I really have no problem posting them, in fact, I wanted to for years but didn't in fear the stories could be stolen and someone else puts a copy write on them.  If that happened, when I published the book with the stories I would be in for a huge law suite.  I will find out about copy writes this week, I hope I can post those stories for the ones who care to see them.  

    I did post a story a while back titled "Hearing Voices in the Superstitions" this story is not in my manuscript for the book.  It may not be proof of God per say,  but it is proof of something and a story I will guarantee you won't put down tell it's end,  once you get to part III.  I broke the story into VIII parts, to use as a book mark if needed.  But again, all who have read it read it to the end once they got to part III.  It is a true story, one I know you would enjoy for sure.  If you have problems finding it on here, I can send it to you or even re-post it.  Hey and thanks for your understanding, I appreciate that for sure.
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    Unitedmajority wrote: I don't plan to make money for my self from the book, that would be using the name of the lord in vain. My plans for the money a finished book will make, is to start a system for the majority that will take control of ALL our politicians.

    Join the Discovery Institute, for that is their goal as well. But the fly in oinment is the First Amendment, That Constitution protects us little people for that kind of take over.

    You got reamed when attempting to publish. Contact me when you wish to try again. I know people at two book makers who specialize in independant writers.
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    unitedmajority Wrote: 

     but far from 100 percent proof of God for anyone other than myself.  Still it is my proof and I know anyone who sees it will see life a little bit better for sure.  



     Is the only explanation for what happened in this story god(and the Christian god)? Could there be no rational explanation for it? Could it not be just a coincidence that worked out for you and stuck out in your memory? Could it not have been Zues, Odin, Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Magical Talking Tree? Then it's not proof. It's just a story.
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    WovenGems Wrote: Unitedmajority wrote: I don't plan to make money for my self from the book, that would be using the name of the lord in vain. My plans for the money a finished book will make, is to start a system for the majority that will take control of ALL our politicians.

    Join the Discovery Institute, for that is their goal as well. But the fly in oinment is the First Amendment, That Constitution protects us little people for that kind of take over.

    You got reamed when attempting to publish. Contact me when you wish to try again. I know people at two book makers who specialize in independant writers.


    For sure I have to self publish, it is why I needed an editor.  By the time I got to the end of the book, I did learn a lot about writing.  I know I need to edit the chapters some more, before sending them off to another editor or publisher that would allow the book to be self published still.  The book is meant to unite the majority by taking on some of the biggest things that divide us, like God and politics.  The book also spells out the power of the majority and how we can unite into a political force that makes the constitution do what it claims "for the people by the people."  The stories I would like to post on here, are true stories that I wish the world would read.  The book is a lot more though, posting the stories I want to are only the beginning of the book.  For sure I will contact you when the time comes to edit and publish my manuscript, thanks. 
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    unitedmajority Wrote: 

     but far from 100 percent proof of God for anyone other than myself.  Still it is my proof and I know anyone who sees it will see life a little bit better for sure.  



     Is the only explanation for what happened in this story god(and the Christian god)? Could there be no rational explanation for it? Could it not be just a coincidence that worked out for you and stuck out in your memory? Could it not have been Zues, Odin, Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Magical Talking Tree? Then it's not proof. It's just a story.



    Yes, God is the only possible explanation.  I was a bigger skeptic than you when it comes to God at one time.  If the stories had any other explanation, I would not of called them 100 percent personal proof of God for me.  Sure the first 3 have a chance of being coincidence,  but with about the same odds of winning the lottery.  However, the final story has no odds to be coincidence,  because of that story, I went from 90 percent proof to 100 percent proof of God for me.  
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    I am not going argue about when God was created or the existence of God, since I could only express beliefs that I can not substantiate. One thing you must realize is that there now are theories about multiple universes and that there are big bangs currently taking place outside of our universe. There are some scientific observations, calculations and measurements that suggest this being true. Just a little food for thought.
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    FreedomFighter Wrote: I am not going argue about when God was created or the existence of God, since I could only express beliefs that I can not substantiate. One thing you must realize is that there now are theories about multiple universes and that there are big bangs currently taking place outside of our universe. There are some scientific observations, calculations and measurements that suggest this being true. Just a little food for thought.


    Both concepts stem from only math. Alas, they have no evidense save for a formula goof. Welcome to String Theory. The boys have qiute a bit of work to do still. I think they let leak goofs in order to get more funding. Know also, per math, time should move in both directions. But does not and they can't say why using math. 
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    pr Wrote: Well that helps explain your reluctance to post them at present, however, perhaps you could give us a "short" version, sort of a "taste" of what you are thinking and how and why it changed your life for the better.

    Good luck with your endeavor no matter what.


    No, you are right pgr,  the stories I spoke of are only the first stories in the book,  if what you say about a copy write is true, I really have no problem posting them, in fact, I wanted to for years but didn't in fear the stories could be stolen and someone else puts a copy write on them.  If that happened, when I published the book with the stories I would be in for a huge law suite.  I will find out about copy writes this week, I hope I can post those stories for the ones who care to see them.  

    I did post a story a while back titled "Hearing Voices in the Superstitions" this story is not in my manuscript for the book.  It may not be proof of God per say,  but it is proof of something and a story I will guarantee you won't put down tell it's end,  once you get to part III.  I broke the story into VIII parts, to use as a book mark if needed.  But again, all who have read it read it to the end once they got to part III.  It is a true story, one I know you would enjoy for sure.  If you have problems finding it on here, I can send it to you or even re-post it.  Hey and thanks for your understanding, I appreciate that for sure.


    I did read it and I DO appreciate the intelligence of dogs! They have never let me down either!
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    I told him I wanted the dogs take on what he took as spiritual. I trust the dogs, not so much the humans.

    Walking With Monsters.
    I was six and me and the housedog went to the corner store. As we passed a field Brandy took after a rabbit and of course I followed. We were now in place far more interesting than the store, so I went with it. We came out in a housing division I didn't know. A lady said "Is your dog thirsty?" She gave the dog a bowl of water and I got a pb&j. Why was she nice to me? Was she a good soul is it the fact my best friend weighed 232lbs. Before Rottweilers the family had a Saint Bernard. I eventualy mady my way home to hear mom say "I was about to call the police". As if harm could come to me when I was with him. It wasn't till later in life that I started understanding the differences between people and dogs.
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    unitedmajority Wrote:
    Sure the Big Bang created everything, even God, God in turn created us.  How did it all work, that is something no man on earth will ever know, for a very good reason, you will know the facts once you meet God or something opposite. 




    Surely you can see United Majority, that IF the Big Bang created God as you say, and I fully disagree, then who or what created the Big Bang and the events that led up to its occurrence?  I say God created everything, that He always was, and do I have proof of that?  Of course not, as no one has proof of whatever they believe was the first thing.  All I have is my faith, and no one will take that away.
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    Once you realize that this is the first generation of mankind that can create the Hubble Telescope, and the orbiting satellites to project images back to earth showing all the majesty of our Universe, and all the revolving solar systems, & enormous revolving Galaxies -- & how Infinite & Eternal this Creation is, --- & we are barely a speck or even a Termite in the whole scheme of things. It gives you such a feeling of Awe and Wonder, that we can behold these things. And even more wonder that what we see in the telescope is just a replica of what we see in the microscope --- when we peek down at invisible microbes, intricate delicate organisms, miniature plants and animals, & the very beginning cells of Life itself. But wonder of wonders, even smaller are the atoms, with protons & orbiting electrons  -- a REPLICA of those gigantic orbiting planetary systems. A Fascinating Mystery.

    It really has to put an impression on the Mind, that there is something VAST, All POWERFUL, & extremely organized and creative, & INFINITE, that is responsible for all this beauty. It could not really have happened all by accident?  Then came along the concept of EVOLUTION, which explains many of the developments of primitive plants and animals, & how they changed gradually into more complex creatures, ending with human beings.  And we begin to see that the Study of Science, is actually the Study of HOW GOD works.

    None of these things were mentioned in the Bible because that was written in Primitive times, when mankind did not even know where babies came from, & even started the legend of the Stork. They did not know if the sun revolved around the earth, or vice versa. They thought that the Earth was flat, & if you sailed out too far on the ocean, you would Fall Off.  So we are of the first technological generations, that are seekers of Knowledge. We LOVE to DISCOVER new things.

    In this uncertain world, with daily problems, crisis, disaster, & turmoil, even international upheavals, WHO CAN WE TURN TO?
    It is such a source of COMFORT to have a Faith --- a sustaining source of power, & a force for Good, within our hearts & souls.  
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    I usually don't like to get into personal experience very much. But when it comes to religion, there are things which happen, that most people would consider to be miracles. And once they happen TO YOU, it is hard to shake off the feeling of mystery, & of AWE, that overwhelms you. Without going into too much length, I will just mention that 2 or 3 times, in the last 10 years, I have been "healed" by something unseen. No doctor did it, or any drugs, but just the Power that takes care of you when you are totally alone and in Need of something to save you. One day you are nearly dead, & a few days later, you are mysteriously healed. You are in Wonderment, as you ponder if this could be God doing this, or if there is any other explanation?  But since I was 4 yrs old, I was taught that God & Jesus would be there whenever I needed them. Like with most people, those childhood ideas were scoffed at as only superstitions, and could not possibly be true. So I grew up, studied evolution & science, and began to adopt some of the more sophisticated beliefs of my peers. It was great to debate this religion as compared to that religion, & which was more correct. It was EASY for me to gradually blend my religion into the science I was learning. The more I learned about evolution, the more clearly I understood that Science is the Study of How GOD works. -- EVOLUTION more completely explains the Creation, than Genesis does in the Bible, because in the centuries the Bible was written, people did not know about gravity, or if the sun revolved around the earth, or the other way around. It was all a big Mystery & was not discovered until many centuries later. People did not know where babies came from, how the sperm & egg cells unite & gradually develop over 9 months to form a miniature human person. Things & knowledge were very primitive back then. But over 19 centuries, we gained in knowledge, so now Evolution can explain so much of how the animals emerged, & amazingly the sequence of Evolution is exactly the same as the sequence of Creation, in the Bible. That really opened my eyes.

    Now with Hubble Telescope & camera satellites orbiting the earth, with millions of human eyes being able to see, for the first time, the Glory of the Universe, and the Infinity of it that  staggers the mind.  Infinite complexity and its constant metamorphosis, is watching inside the Mind of God, as he keeps this ancient Universe ever changing, ever growing, & always beautiful. NOW in this age and time, we can SEE the Evolution of Planets and Solar Systems, & Galaxies & Super Stars. It is gorgeous and mesmerizing, but never seen by Man until this generation of humans on this small blue planet. We can just begin to  realize that we are smaller & more insignificant than a Termite on this scale.Yet we have experienced the Miracle of Science to SHOW us the orbiting of planets around suns --- that DUPLICATE the tiny microscopic orbiting of electrons around a nucleus. The tiniest things on earth are exact replicas of the largest existing things.  
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    What makes you so sure that the universe is simple? The wad of mass/energy that exploded in the Big Bang contained EVERYTHING that exists. That seems to make things a bit kmore complex, don't you think? And everything that exists cannot blink out of existence because the universe's top priority is the conservation of mass/energy. absolutely nothing disappears to 'no longer exist'. when i die, my personality will cease to exist, but the parts that made me a human wil disseminate into the cosmos to become parts of other things in the universe, excuse me...'Multiverse'.
    The burden of proof lies on you & others like you. You must prove that god exists, because how does one prove the non-existence of something that doesn;t exist??
    And it appears by your writings that you are studying science from perhaps an Intelligent Design point of view. Use big scientificc words to sound like your smart, yet willfully ignorant of actual science.  If you go by Newton's steps of empirical evidence, your god disappears in a blink of logic and reason because there is no true evidence to prove your god exists-not even evidence worthy of inquiry. your ideas are wide-spread throughout the GOP, i sure hope you guys don't take over & create a theocracy...the christian version of sharia law. that would remove my rights to freedom from religion and my rights over my own reproductive system. christianity is a misogynistic woman hating disaster that is capable of annihilating the human species.
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    Sure the Big Bang created everything, even God, God in turn created us.  How did it all work, that is something no man on earth will ever know, for a very good reason, you will know the facts once you meet God or something opposite. 




    Surely you can see United Majority, that IF the Big Bang created God as you say, and I fully disagree, then who or what created the Big Bang and the events that led up to its occurrence?  I say God created everything, that He always was, and do I have proof of that?  Of course not, as no one has proof of whatever they believe was the first thing.  All I have is my faith, and no one will take that away.


    So then, it seems we are back, full circle, - what created God so God could create us?