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    Two things in the above that point to fundamentalism.
    1. That evolution should tempered with religion in public schools.
    2. That science is desperate to disprove God.

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    WovenGems Wrote: Two things in the above that point to fundamentalism.
    1. That evolution should tempered with religion in public schools.
    2. That science is desperate to disprove God.



    Hmm, I never considered my statement about science being desperate, as fundamentalism, but you are correct, in it's pure form.  I guess what I meant to say, many or maybe all people search desperately for proof of either evolution or creation.  The one seeking proof of evolution, are the desperate I meant, since they use science to get their point across.  
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    Science doesn't seek to disprove god. Science only seeks the truth. All evidence points towards his non-existence as he is most commonly explained. Here is the issue. God is a subjective idea that varies from person to person, not a defined entity. Notice how religion interacts with science throughout history.

    First they deny scientific discoveries like the earth is round, the sun is the center of the solar system, evolution etc.

    Second, they to go extremes to squelch the discoveries. Persecution, execution, book burning, excumunication etc.

    Third, they say they knew it all along. That it had always been in the and that it took science this long to figure out something God already told us.

    God is an ever changing subjective being who's definition varies from person to person. If were possible to disprove one God people would say something along the lines of "well you didn't disprove MY god." But in reality it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist but that is not evidence for it's existence. If that were the case then people could make any claim and defend it with "you can't prove that it doesn't exist."

    Science is indifferent. It collects facts and evidence and puts out theories that explain this world. When reality doesn't support your beliefs, then your beliefs aren't based in reality. In 50 years America will be more than 50% secular. The term atheist will begin to disappear as there will be no need for it (same way we don't need a word like 'A-unicornist' today. There are people who don't believe in unicorns and then there are crazy people). Modern religion will slowly turn into superstition as the human race progresses through it's natural course.
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    unitedmajority Wrote:
    WovenGems Wrote: Two things in the above that point to fundamentalism.
    1. That evolution should tempered with religion in public schools.
    2. That science is desperate to disprove God.



    Hmm, I never considered my statement about science being desperate, as fundamentalism, but you are correct, in it's pure form.  I guess what I meant to say, many or maybe all people search desperately for proof of either evolution or creation.  The one seeking proof of evolution, are the desperate I meant, since they use science to get their point across.  


    There is no need to prove evolution. Done. We have moved into finding out how it works. And DNA holds the answer. The biggest finding to date in DNA has never been trumpeted. A researcher looking at Nematodes found the code that allows its cells to divide. Care to guess how many multicelled things have that same code on their DNA? If you say "ALL!", you would be correct.
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    WovenGems Wrote:
    unitedmajority Wrote:
    WovenGems Wrote: Two things in the above that point to fundamentalism.
    1. That evolution should tempered with religion in public schools.
    2. That science is desperate to disprove God.



    Hmm, I never considered my statement about science being desperate, as fundamentalism, but you are correct, in it's pure form.  I guess what I meant to say, many or maybe all people search desperately for proof of either evolution or creation.  The one seeking proof of evolution, are the desperate I meant, since they use science to get their point across.  


    There is no need to prove evolution. Done. We have moved into finding out how it works. And DNA holds the answer. The biggest finding to date in DNA has never been trumpeted. A researcher looking at Nematodes found the code that allows its cells to divide. Care to guess how many multicelled things have that same code on their DNA? If you say "ALL!", you would be correct.



    As you said, science does not try to disprove God.  None of what you stated does that either.  Of course evolution is a real part of life, but that does not prove God didn't create the evolution evidence science digs up.  In fact, if God wanted us to think we came from birds instead of monkeys, that would be the evidence that science would find.  Why?  For that very simple reason, if we had proof of God, our life here would be meaningless.  Without 100 percent undisputed proof of God, man will be judged for their life on earth good or bad, its really that simple.  God can do anything, remember?  The last thing he will do is give non believers proof of him.  God is something you may be lucky enough to find personal proof of,  chances are, you won't even find that, the majority is not that lucky.  So all you really have left for proof, is the stories of others who were lucky, but again, that is not undisputed proof of God, for a very good reason once again. 

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    Read carefully what you wrote:  "Without 100 percent undisputed proof of God, man will be judged for their life on earth good or bad, its really that simple." Now let me ask you this.  Let us say that there is no undisputed proof of God.  Now tell me exactly who will be judging man's life on Earth?
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    He could have said "God created us five minutes ago, complete with memmories." . Six of one, a half dozen of the other.
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    WovenGems Wrote: He could have said "God created us five minutes ago, complete with memmories." . Six of one, a half dozen of the other.


    Maybe I am not being fair, you and others have presented numerous evidence of evolution that some how in your opinion's, erased any possible chance that God is real.  What you claim as fact is a fact, but a fact is simple a statement that can be proven or dis-proven, man has proven evolution, but they have not proven how mother nature works.

     I have not presented any proof such as yours, just an idea of what God is.  So, if you really want to know my proof, you would have to read 4 fairly long stories.  But once you have read them, I would love to debate the subject once more.  For sure your words will be of a different tone.  I don't make the stories public, but would do it after having a copy right put on the stories, I have a problem with thieves.  I guess that is why I don't like too many politicians maybe?  
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    unitedmajority Wrote:
    WovenGems Wrote: He could have said "God created us five minutes ago, complete with memmories." . Six of one, a half dozen of the other.


    Maybe I am not being fair, you and others have presented numerous evidence of evolution that some how in your opinion's, erased any possible chance that God is real.  What you claim as fact is a fact, but a fact is simple a statement that can be proven or dis-proven, man has proven evolution, but they have not proven how mother nature works.

     I have not presented any proof such as yours, just an idea of what God is.  So, if you really want to know my proof, you would have to read 4 fairly long stories.  But once you have read them, I would love to debate the subject once more.  For sure your words will be of a different tone.  I don't make the stories public, but would do it after having a copy right put on the stories, I have a problem with thieves.  I guess that is why I don't like too many politicians maybe?  


    Stories are anecdotial and present no hard facts. The religious folks missed the boat. DNA is Gods Lego set. We are at the very beginnings of learning how to use that Lego set. Why no church has screamed "Hands off" I do not know.  At this time it would do no good at all to scream so it would seem the war is over.
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    unitedmajority Wrote:
    WovenGems Wrote: He could have said "God created us five minutes ago, complete with memmories." . Six of one, a half dozen of the other.


    Maybe I am not being fair, you and others have presented numerous evidence of evolution that some how in your opinion's, erased any possible chance that God is real.  What you claim as fact is a fact, but a fact is simple a statement that can be proven or dis-proven, man has proven evolution, but they have not proven how mother nature works.

     I have not presented any proof such as yours, just an idea of what God is.  So, if you really want to know my proof, you would have to read 4 fairly long stories.  But once you have read them, I would love to debate the subject once more.  For sure your words will be of a different tone.  I don't make the stories public, but would do it after having a copy right put on the stories, I have a problem with thieves.  I guess that is why I don't like too many politicians maybe?  


    Exactly which part of 'mother nature' are you referring to when you say humanity hasn't proven how it works? Water cycle? Evolution? Gravity? Germ Theory? Photosynthesis? Food chain? I can seriously go on for hours listing different things.

    God has not be disproven. Like I said before you can't prove something doesn't exist. But it is just as likely that god exists as does fairies, unicorns, Zeus, Hera, Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Dr. Who.

    From what I am getting from your posts is your have two arguments for your god. 1.) You can't prove he doesn't exist. Which I have shown isn't really an argument. 2.) We don't know everything about everything; therefore God. Which is a massive fallacy, and as NDT would say. "Then your God is an ever shrinking pocket of scientific ignorance."
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    Somewhere on this Earth, there is a tree that will speak to you and tell you all the secrets of mother nature. All you have to do is say the right word while standing in front of it.

    You can't prove this is not true, therefore it is likely that it is true and must be given equal weight in the scientific world. The only way you can convince me it's not true is to test every tree on the planet by saying every word ever spoken to each tree.
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    Zach F Wrote: Somewhere on this Earth, there is a tree that will speak to you and tell you all the secrets of mother nature. All you have to do is say the right word while standing in front of it.

    You can't prove this is not true, therefore it is likely that it is true and must be given equal weight in the scientific world. The only way you can convince me it's not true is to test every tree on the planet by saying every word ever spoken to each tree.


    The magic word is found in an extinct language making the task difficult. How do know this? The tree told me so.
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    how do you know the hole, if their was one, was black? let it go, it is a spupid tpoic
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    unitedmajority Wrote:
    WovenGems Wrote: He could have said "God created us five minutes ago, complete with memmories." . Six of one, a half dozen of the other.


    Maybe I am not being fair, you and others have presented numerous evidence of evolution that some how in your opinion's, erased any possible chance that God is real.  What you claim as fact is a fact, but a fact is simple a statement that can be proven or dis-proven, man has proven evolution, but they have not proven how mother nature works.

     I have not presented any proof such as yours, just an idea of what God is.  So, if you really want to know my proof, you would have to read 4 fairly long stories.  But once you have read them, I would love to debate the subject once more.  For sure your words will be of a different tone.  I don't make the stories public, but would do it after having a copy right put on the stories, I have a problem with thieves.  I guess that is why I don't like too many politicians maybe?  


    I'm pleased to hear you have "proof" of Gods existence in the form of four vey long stories.

    Unfortunately, you don't let us in on where you "found" these stories but you do seem to suggest you wrote them as you are very concerned about others "stealing" them. I'm no expert on copyright laws, but I do believe (in the USA, at least) anyone who publishes and original work only need to add the copyright symbol  © along with their name and date to protect their rights.

    If these long stories of yours are such earth shattering observations and truths about the existence of God, how can sharing them with others be such a bad thing? I would think that the truth of the stories would be much more important to you than your worrying about someone stealing them.  How can/could someone steal the truth? Isn't "exposing" the world to the "truth" what is really important?

    What am I missing here - please explain further.
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    pr Wrote:
    unitedmajority Wrote:
    WovenGems Wrote: He could have said "God created us five minutes ago, complete with memmories." . Six of one, a half dozen of the other.


    Maybe I am not being fair, you and others have presented numerous evidence of evolution that some how in your opinion's, erased any possible chance that God is real.  What you claim as fact is a fact, but a fact is simple a statement that can be proven or dis-proven, man has proven evolution, but they have not proven how mother nature works.

     I have not presented any proof such as yours, just an idea of what God is.  So, if you really want to know my proof, you would have to read 4 fairly long stories.  But once you have read them, I would love to debate the subject once more.  For sure your words will be of a different tone.  I don't make the stories public, but would do it after having a copy right put on the stories, I have a problem with thieves.  I guess that is why I don't like too many politicians maybe?  


    I'm pleased to hear you have "proof" of Gods existence in the form of four vey long stories.

    Unfortunately, you don't let us in on where you "found" these stories but you do seem to suggest you wrote them as you are very concerned about others "stealing" them. I'm no expert on copyright laws, but I do believe (in the USA, at least) anyone who publishes and original work only need to add the copyright symbol  © along with their name and date to protect their rights.

    If these long stories of yours are such earth shattering observations and truths about the existence of God, how can sharing them with others be such a bad thing? I would think that the truth of the stories would be much more important to you than your worrying about someone stealing them.  How can/could someone steal the truth? Isn't "exposing" the world to the "truth" what is really important?

    What am I missing here - please explain further.



    You made some very good points.  Yes I have thought about the words you spoke.  If what you say about copy writes is true, I will post the stories for anyone who cares to read them.

     I had a bad experience with an editor about four years ago, it cost $1450, money I really could not afford to lose.  So I am a bit reluctant when it comes to posting anything from my manuscript.  As far as being earth shattering observations and truths about the existence of God, for sure they were life changing events for me, and for me, they are earth shattering.  For you or others, they are great stories but far from 100 percent proof of God for anyone other than myself.  Still it is my proof and I know anyone who sees it will see life a little bit better for sure.  

    Four years ago my plan was to publish a book with these stories, but I still have a lot of work to do when it comes to editing and making changes. The book is over four hundred pages all together, as you can tell, English and writing are not my best subjects.  I don't plan to make money for my self from the book, that would be using the name of the lord in vain.  My plans for the money a finished book will make, is to start a system for the majority that will take control of ALL our politicians.  This is still my plan, but that kind of change will take money, more money than I have without a finished book. 

    I know mine and all our children's futures depend on someone doing something, so I would never give up, even after major disappointment's, but I will say, some things in life can slow our ambitions down, no money is for sure a problem.  Lobbyist money is for sure out of the question when it comes to real changes for the majority, oil and other corporations don't give money to help the majority, that money is to help their meme self only.  I do worry that life in America could change to the point of no return before the book is done, but that is life, at least I can say I tried to do something, unlike our lobby owned politicians.