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    pr Wrote: But Guy, isn't what you're saying about all religions simply just a better, safer and more productive way for humans to get along and survive? Common sense, for example, tells us not stealing, killing, etc, etc (10 Commandments) will cause us less stress, make us happier, safer more productive. Religion has nothing to do with it - act poorly and others treat you poorly, act well and people tend to treat you well.

    It seems to me that religion (as an institution) has stolen common sense and corrupted it for their own purposes.
    Pgr, absolutely right on the "money" ; actually humans are basic animals; also animals have a code of conduct. They are kind of lucky and did not yet learn to write, otherwise they would have dog churches as well.
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    Dutch Wrote: Guy, by writing what you wrote then you have to agree that any and all the "writing" mentioned by you was written by "humans"; also bibles, Korans, etc. so the contents of what is in those writings all of it took place on earth (either in imagination or visionary); we as people regardless of space exploration are bound to earth and keep telling each other what to do, either by religion or otherwise. Anyone can write whatever they want to write; therefore not any writing can be considered holy (no god's wrote anything themselves), may be interesting or educational etc." Believing" is as the word already says; fooling yourself about the thruth.
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    Well, I agree with you to a certain extent, even when you said "therefore not any writing can be considered holy."

    I tend to agree with the prophets Isaiah and Jesus who both said, in so many words, that only God the Great Spirit-Parent is The Holy One, and that no man can play God.

    I would say that "believing" CAN be fooling yourself about the truth, but not necessarily. One can believe something that is true, even when one is not certain of it and does not actually know.

    There is, however, something higher than believing, and higher than faith.

    Believing and having faith in a concept or idea written in scriptures does not enable one to "know" God or the ultimate truth of the divine reality. That is why, at best, religious scriptures can only provide us with guidance and point TO the truth, which we can only realize from within by revelation. And all religious scriptures tell us that. Seek and you shall find the greater, higher reality that exists beyond egocentric perception.

    The problem is that finding it, or realizing it, comes as a gift, and no amount of effort or study or prayer can attain it because it cannot be attained. And no one can "achieve" it by bowing at an alter or professing faith in some creed or doctrine. The idea that one can is vanity and egotism. That's why "born again Christians" don't know what they're talking about, and it why they are vain, and proud.

    I could go on, but perhaps you get the point I'm making.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: So. if Gods language cannot be spoken or written.....he must be a deaf/mute Caucasian???
    The funny part of it, that all this B.S. is written by people not by Martians or deaf mute Canadians (sorry Caucasians) or any non-aerodynamic angels, ghosts, or written after a wet dream. They just found a 39,000 year old wooley mammoth in Siberia; kind of weird when the "holy one's" tell us the world is only 8000 years old. Must have come from Mars and dropped here.
    Dutch,

    You know god put that wooley mammoth in Siberia to test our faith. He does that.He phoned me last night while I was in the bat cave having drinks with wonder woman
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    Guy Dwyer Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: So. if Gods language cannot be spoken or written.....he must be a deaf/mute Caucasian???
    I can appreciate the joke. But I should have been more clear. It's not "God's language" I'm talking about. As as I said, the real "Word" of God cannot be written or spoken. It's not language.

    That's because the real "Word" of God is the primordial vibration, a part of the Divine Light-Energy-Source of our existence; that which existed prior to all life and form, and yet is part of all life and form. The "Ohm" sound is supposed to symbolize it.
    The Ohm sound you clearly describe paints a picture that god was a cave man. That must explain the wooly Mammoth discovery
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    Man as a species needs a purpose, whether or not it's religious or secular is not relevant, with religion it's all about Faith, secular it's about proof, whose to say which theory is correct, that being said, there have been too many people , both religious and secular, who teach and twist their own beliefs so that they may justify their own Agenda, I have been impressed by this latest Pope ( BTW,I am not a catholic) who is on record as dismissing the trappings of the Papal Office, does not use the papal dining area but instead chooses to eat with other priests and who also told the Bishop's at the Vatican, to stop being politicians and become Bishops again and to stop being so obsessive about the homosexual issue, he said that the Church views Homosexuals as sinners nothing more ,nothing less, much as the church views any other sinners, and he went on to say that the Mother Church has a lot of other concerns that needs their attention much more. I believe we should ,each and everyone of us, have our own house in order before tearing down someone else's house.
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    johnnycee Wrote: Man as a species needs a purpose, whether or not it's religious or secular is not relevant, with religion it's all about Faith, secular it's about proof, whose to say which theory is correct, that being said, there have been too many people , both religious and secular, who teach and twist their own beliefs so that they may justify their own Agenda, I have been impressed by this latest Pope ( BTW,I am not a catholic) who is on record as dismissing the trappings of the Papal Office, does not use the papal dining area but instead chooses to eat with other priests and who also told the Bishop's at the Vatican, to stop being politicians and become Bishops again and to stop being so obsessive about the homosexual issue, he said that the Church views Homosexuals as sinners nothing more ,nothing less, much as the church views any other sinners, and he went on to say that the Mother Church has a lot of other concerns that needs their attention much more. I believe we should ,each and everyone of us, have our own house in order before tearing down someone else's house.
    The topic was Osteen. I commend his ability in parting people of their money via their own consent. I don't have the ability to rob working people by using their beliefs, hopes and fears. The pope doesn't need to send out a questionnaire asking his flock their views on "homos". Church shouldn't ask anyone their position since they've been "anti-homo" based on scripture. The bible isn't the constitution allowing an amendment process.....BOOK OF RULES
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Man as a species needs a purpose, whether or not it's religious or secular is not relevant, with religion it's all about Faith, secular it's about proof, whose to say which theory is correct, that being said, there have been too many people , both religious and secular, who teach and twist their own beliefs so that they may justify their own Agenda, I have been impressed by this latest Pope ( BTW,I am not a catholic) who is on record as dismissing the trappings of the Papal Office, does not use the papal dining area but instead chooses to eat with other priests and who also told the Bishop's at the Vatican, to stop being politicians and become Bishops again and to stop being so obsessive about the homosexual issue, he said that the Church views Homosexuals as sinners nothing more ,nothing less, much as the church views any other sinners, and he went on to say that the Mother Church has a lot of other concerns that needs their attention much more. I believe we should ,each and everyone of us, have our own house in order before tearing down someone else's house.
    The topic was Osteen. I commend his ability in parting people of their money via their own consent. I don't have the ability to rob working people by using their beliefs, hopes and fears. The pope doesn't need to send out a questionnaire asking his flock their views on "homos". Church shouldn't ask anyone their position since they've been "anti-homo" based on scripture. The bible isn't the constitution allowing an amendment process.....BOOK OF RULES

    As with most Topics, we often drift into other areas, but to keep you informed I must remind you that the Pope does keep the Faithful informed as to what the Church's position is on certain topics, he does not need their consent or views, he merely told the Bishop's that they should stop with the Homosexual issue already, the act is a sin , as are many other transgressions. This Pope has apparently taken his vows of poverty more seriously than some of his predessors.

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    The actions of predecessors shouldn't just be mentioned as "matter-of-fact". The Pope covered up the most horrendous crimes one can commit only to protect his interests (THE CHURCH). God, scriptures, morality, legaity played no part in his decisions......And was supported by every cardinal in the building (current pope). I'm not interested in his vows of poverty. The Roman Catholic church has protected a society of pedophiles since it's beginning. The last time I checked.....pedophilia also was a sin.......Once again, selective glorification (cherry picking).

    This pope, along with every one of his Cardinals should be burned at the stake just as they did for a thousand years in the purification of others.
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    Does your hatred of Faith based organizations include all Faiths or just selected ones, horrors have been committed also by those of no faith, Stalin, Hitler, Gengas Kahn, Pol Pot, the entire Spanish /Portugese exploration efforts, and lets not forget the efforts of the Chinese and Japanese empires who tried with all their might to exterminate one another by any means possible. The earth belongs to the fallen angel Lucifer and his minions and God gave to man dominion over creatures of the earth, but the earth still belongs to Lucifer, hence all the temptations and many have succumbed to them , this is why Faith is so important, so mock all you like, but just remember if I'm wrong then no harm ,no foul but if I'm right, shame on you.
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    Now perhaps you can tell us all how Lucifer is any more real than the tooth fairy my 4 year old granddaughter believes in?

    Oh no wait, don't bother you read it in the bible so I must be true ;( do you have any idea how ridicules your last post is, especially coming from a grown man?

    By your reasoning we should fear everything in life because something bad could happen if we don't but if we fear it we will be ok!
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    johnnycee Wrote: Does your hatred of Faith based organizations include all Faiths or just selected ones, horrors have been committed also by those of no faith, Stalin, Hitler, Gengas Kahn, Pol Pot, the entire Spanish /Portugese exploration efforts, and lets not forget the efforts of the Chinese and Japanese empires who tried with all their might to exterminate one another by any means possible. The earth belongs to the fallen angel Lucifer and his minions and God gave to man dominion over creatures of the earth, but the earth still belongs to Lucifer, hence all the temptations and many have succumbed to them , this is why Faith is so important, so mock all you like, but just remember if I'm wrong then no harm ,no foul but if I'm right, shame on you.
    Yes, may be you got it right related to any kind of "faith/religion/rules/ government" etc. they all rule with their own attitude and ego's; that happens to be human nature: "Power over the people with whatever means" This has been the case for centuries; churches and their doctrine are no different.
    All these things are created and engineered by the human mind; some people fall for it others don't.
    How many wars were/are being fought because of religeous beliefs? As long as we stay in this "cage" (called earth), we as people will fight other people and chasing our own tails; Sorry to say all religeous denomonations are pure earthly institutions; and will be in fashion for some time and new one's will pop up all the time and have been since the "sun" was one of the first "god's created by humans. No "non human created god's" ever ruled this world.
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    pr Wrote: Now perhaps you can tell us all how Lucifer is any more real than the tooth fairy my 4 year old granddaughter believes in?

    Oh no wait, don't bother you read it in the bible so I must be true ;( do you have any idea how ridicules your last post is, especially coming from a grown man?

    By your reasoning we should fear everything in life because something bad could happen if we don't but if we fear it we will be ok!

    So by your reasoning anyone and everyone who believes in a higher purpose in life or believes in a certain Deity and follows his or her Faith is ridiculous, you must remember that without goodness there is no evil, it's the ying and yang theory , no upside without a downside, so based on your reasoning all of the villains in our lives Stalin, Hitler, Pol-Pot, Gengis Kahn, the entire Spanish /Portugese explorations and lets not forget our Chinese and Japanese Empires who were hell bent on exterminating one another by any means possible were all evil as well. History has noted on many occasions the evil and horror that was visited on various peoples by non-faith people as well, so now knowing that evil exist, you must now understand how silly your post sounds.
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    It must be the devil in me!
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    pr Wrote: It must be the devil in me!


    The devil made you do it!!
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    I just received a call on my phone from (666)666-6666. I didn't answer it! Should I start prayin'?