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Mississippi wanting to be the first state with zero abortion clinics


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    Republican Governor of Mississippi Phil Bryant has said repeatedly he wants Mississippi to be abortion-free.  And, the state currently only has one abortion clinic.  And,they just tried to shut that one down.  For now, that effort failed.  But, it seems just a matter of time. 

    Man, I thought Arizona was leading the nation in ridiculousness (if that's even a word :))  But, I guess that Mississippi doing this shouldn't surprise me.... They will be the first state in the nation to be completely free of abortion clinics, if they are successful.  Does that surprise anyone here?
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    I live in Ms. and was raised a Catholic.  Thus I fully agree with the Gov. (even tho he is a Repub.) as he appears to follow the teachings of Jesus, at least from this perspective.  Abortion is murder in my view, cuz it is ending the future life a beating heart.
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    But Jesus says nothing of abortion. How is that following Jesus' teachings? Jesus teaches that children who curse their parents should be killed. No one follows that teaching. Jesus' father places no value on infants that are less than one month old. He has babies smashed on rocks and pregnant women slaughter. Abortion is not anti-Catholic, or anti-Christian at all.

    If you can make a good case that abortion is murder and that somehow the rights of the women can be overlooked for the rights of a fetus then you may convince me.
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    In my view, the intentional stopping of a beating heart (proof of LIFE) is wrong for any human to perform. Am I against the death penalty too?  Yes, as both of these entail the ending of a human life by a human.  I believe that ONLY God has the right to decide when that time comes, as it is a part of His plan.    
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    You are, of course, welcome to believe whatever you wish. That doesn't make it correct, the truth, good, bad, silly, smart, dumb, it's only what YOU believe.

    Personally I wouldn't choose abortion either but I would NEVER ever suggest that a woman who wants one shouldn't be able to get one. Until she gives birth, the fetus is still a part of her body. You and your church can believe (and practice) whatever makes you feel good but you have NO right to tell another person what they should do or not do with ther body because of your "beliefs".

    Perhaps instead of trying to legislate how others should live (according to your churches' supposed principals) it would be better to help people (women especially) with family planning, i.e. birth control first. Or, does your church also not believe in family planning? It's very easy to find support in the bible and your religion (no matter what it is) for anything you want to prove or disprove. Quoting the bible for anything is meaningless. The bible is not a historical book of facts or even the word of god (although many would like to believe it is) it's a collection of stories compiled over centuries by many people, all selling something, salvation, power, greed, etc. Everything in the bible is suspect as to it's origin, true meaning, validity and truth. If you choose to believe a source like the bible, for anything, that is your right but both Rev Al and I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn you might also be interested it!

    My suggestion to people who quote the bible (or any other so-called holy book) and try to live according to it is "Start thinking for yourself for a change".
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    I fully realize that "I" have no right to tell others what they should or should not do with their bodies, but why does the government have that right?  The U.S. government boldly says that abortion is legal AND that capital punishment is legal as well.  These are not human rights.  Where in the Bible does the Lord say it is proper for a doctor or the state to take the life of anyone?  I realize that there are examples in the Bible of that being done, but that doesn't make it a proper action.  There are examples of all sorts of sin in the Bible, but that is not to say that these examples are ok.  They are instead, examples of what NOT to do.  

    I was raised a Catholic and yes that church forbids the use of birth control, as well as the execution of any living human being.  Obviously those things still exist on this earth, yes even by Catholics, but that doesn't make them acceptable in God's eyes.
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    The issue of abortion is one of the dividing issues of Americans.  Many otherwise liberal or Democratic leaning voters vote Republican solely because of their anti-abortion stance.  To put the discussion into proper context, I thought I would share a few facts on US Abortion Statistics.

    In 2008, approximately 1.21 million abortions took place in the U.S.

    From 1973 through 2008, nearly 50 million legal abortions have occurred in the U.S. (AGI).

    The US abortion rate is similar to those of Australia, New Zealand, and Sweden but higher than those of other Western European countries (NAF).

    Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended; about 4 in 10 of these are terminated by abortion. Twenty-two percent of all U.S. pregnancies end in abortion. (AGI).

    In 2008, 84.3% of all abortions were performed on unmarried women (CDC).

    Women between the ages of 20-24 obtained 33% of all abortions in 2008; women between 25-29 obtained 24% (CDC).

    Black women are more than 4.8 times more likely than non-Hispanic white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are 2.7 times as likely (AGI).

    At current rates, nearly one-third of American women will have an abortion (AGI).

    88-92% of all abortions happen during the first trimester, prior to the 13th week of gestation (AGI/CDC).

    Most abortions in the USA are provided in freestanding clinics; in 2005, only 5% occurred in hospitals, down from 22% in 1980, and only 2% took place in physician's offices (NAF).

    54% of women having abortions used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users reported using the methods inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users reported correct use (AGI).

    40% of minors having an abortion report that neither of their parents knew about the abortion (AGI).


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    Mitt Romney has said on several occasions that he believes life begins at conception.  In fact as governor of Massachusetts in 2005, he vetoed a bill known as the "contraceptive law" that would have legalized the "morning after pill."  In Romney's own words that he wrote in an editorial to the Boston Globe:

    "I have spoken with medical professionals to determine whether the drug contemplated under the bill would simply prevent conception or whether it would also terminate a living embryo after conception. Once it became clear that the latter was the case, my decision was straightforward."

    Mitt Romney has also said during the debates that he opposes all abortions, but he is unclear on the issue of rape or incest.  He has in the past stated that he would make an exception for victims of rape or incest, but some believe his position on that is also evolving to be consistent with many Tea Party advocates who make no exceptions for rape or incest.

    Paul Ryan is even more extreme on abortion. According to an August 1th article in the Daily Beast: Paul Ryan’s Extreme Abortion Views:

    "Any Republican vice-presidential candidate is going to be broadly anti-abortion, but Ryan goes much further. He believes ending a pregnancy should be illegal even when it results from rape or incest, or endangers a woman’s health. He was a cosponsor of the Sanctity of Human Life Act, a federal bill defining fertilized eggs as human beings, which, if passed, would criminalize some forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization. The National Right to Life Committee has scored his voting record 100 percent every year since he entered the House in 1999. “I’m as pro-life as a person gets,” he told The Weekly Standard’s John McCormack in 2010. “You’re not going to have a truce.”"

    Many political analysts believe that Mitt Romney chose Paul Ryan as his running mate to appease the far right wing of his party. One can further contemplate that if Romney and Ryan win in November, and Republicans also take control of the Senate, that legislation will be introduced that effectively will make the entire USA like Mississippi or even worse...all abortions banned. The current make-up of the Supreme Court would likely uphold that law.

    The question is then.  What happens to the 1.2 million America women that have an abortion every year in the United States?  That number will certainly go up if the "morning after pill." is also banned. And if abortion is illegal period, will the federal government put over one million women in jail, over half of which are under the age of 29, if they have a back alley abortion? 

    Mitt Romney has promised "to get rid of Planned Parenthood," the only source of contraceptives for many young women.  Without access to contraceptives, morning after pills and abortions, just where does it all lead? 

    Since 84 percent of abortions are on unwed mothers, what kind of life would the single young mother have raising an unwanted child on her own?  Remember Republicans offer no support.  They demonize them calling them "welfare queens."




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    michaels39301 Wrote: I fully realize that "I" have no right to tell others what they should or should not do with their bodies, but why does the government have that right?  The U.S. government boldly says that abortion is legal AND that capital punishment is legal as well.  These are not human rights.  Where in the Bible does the Lord say it is proper for a doctor or the state to take the life of anyone?  I realize that there are examples in the Bible of that being done, but that doesn't make it a proper action.  There are examples of all sorts of sin in the Bible, but that is not to say that these examples are ok.  They are instead, examples of what NOT to do.  

    I was raised a Catholic and yes that church forbids the use of birth control, as well as the execution of any living human being.  Obviously those things still exist on this earth, yes even by Catholics, but that doesn't make them acceptable in God's eyes.


    The government has that right because the government decided many years ago to take that right away from women win they outlawed abortion. If it was never outlawed then it wouldn't have to be legalized. I have the feeling you are more concerned about the government making it legal than the fact women should have the right. Is that true? Legalizing something, in a way, means approving of it. This is an absolutely valid argument if you look at it this way. I prefer to look at it rather the government is saying it isn't illegal rather than endorsing it. I don't think the government endorses abortion by legalizing it, I think they are saying a woman has the innate  right and we are only supporting her right to make the decision. It's a fine line, I agree, but it's just a matter of how you look at it.

    As for capital punishment, we have just the opposite situation. The government has legalized the killing of people after being convicted of certain crimes. The biggest problem here is the system is not fair or even honest. If you have the correct skin color, lawyer, political connection and wealth you mot likely don't have to ever worry about the death penalty being imposed on you (no matter what your crime). Texas is an example of the death penalty gone wild for political reasons, not social reason. I fully believe capital punishment should be abolished by the federal government and that the states should have no right to take anyones life for any reason (but, of course, that is a whole other subject on states rights).

    The problem, in my opinion, with a religion (any religion) allowing or forbidding something is they don't have any more right to tell a person what is good or bad, right or wrong than anyone else does. This is one reason I have no use for organized religions. In my view they are nothing more than dictatorial governments, onto their own, who's first priority is in keeping the religion alive and powerful. The needs of the "believers" are secondary. This is how religions  operate.I don't think the Pope (or any church leader) ever puts the needs of the parishioners  before his and the religions' needs, be it power, wealth or influence. I'm sure I don't have to point out the excesses in the Catholic church when it comes to taking care of the leaders vs the believers (and I'm not picking on the Catholic church, they are all the same in my opinion).

    We all owe it to ourselves to take what makes the most sense from life, religion and our own personal observations of the world around us rather than being told what and how to think by others, who in reality, are no more enlightened than we.
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    Thanks to everyone who contributed to these postings, as that is exactly what I wanted: a broad perspective on the topics of abortion and capital punishment--two methods of ending life here on Earth.