Forum Thread

Republican Party of Texas and Israel

Reply to ThreadDisplaying 10 Posts
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Zach has provided us with insight into the Texas Republican Party Platform for 2012.  I have commented in other posts on  the Christian evangelical support for Israel as being the chief obstacle to peace between Israel and the Palestinians.  This paragraph from page 22 in the Texas Republican Party Platform confirms my beliefs:

    Israel – We believe that the United States and Israel share a special long-standing relationship based on shared values, a mutual commitment to a republican form of government, and a strategic alliance that benefits both nations. Our foreign policy with Israel should reflect the special nature of this relationship through continued military and economic assistance and recognition that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths. We believe that the US Embassy should be located in Jerusalem. In our diplomatic dealings with Israel, we encourage the continuation of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, but oppose pressuring Israel to make concessions it believes would jeopardize its security, including the trading of land for the recognition of its right to exist. We call on the U.S. to cease strong arming Israel through prior agreements with the understanding of delivering Palestinians on the West Bank. We support the continuation of non-recognition of terrorist nations and organizations. Our policy is based on God’s biblical promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel and we further invite other nations and organizations to enjoy the benefits of that promise.

    The bolding is mine.

    Public policy based "God's biblical promises?"  Wow...

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Nice find. If I remember my Bible studies and readings, I do think the Bible says that Israel is to be destroyed, turned into a wasteland, it's people exiled, and all of Israel plowed like a field, etc.

    The only thing worse that trying to implement public policy based on religion is not having any idea what that religion says.
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Zach:


    You got me curious, so I went digging for more details this morning. The link below provides LOTS of information on the coming
    destruction of Israel:

    http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/Warning%2014%20Coming%20Peace%20Plan.html

    My opinion is that the Bible can be a good guide for how we lead our lives, as long as we stick to the New Testament, and ignore the Old Testament.

    The truth is that the Bible, taken as a whole, is full of contradictions.  If you'd like further evidence, take the 10 point Bible quiz in the link below -
    and let us know how many questions you got right:


    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2010/09/bible-told-me-so.html
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Yep.....I appreciate the attention being paid today to the nutcases that I have to deal with on a day-to-day basis.

    Republicans in Texas are an especially deranged, savage, internally contradictory, and vain-gloriously fascist breed. 

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Arizona, I went 8/10, not really counting that 3 or 4 had multiple answers

    On number 2, I wanted to pick A,B,D but that wasn't an option. I assumed that there was only one answer for each question since other questions had options like "a and b above." The quiz is intentional misleading.

    I missed number 5, which I'm not too upset about since it's not about what the Bible says but instead who translated it.

    I also missed 6. But the quiz is clearly wrong there. John 13:34-35 speaks nothing of homosexuality while the question specifically states "Homosexuality is:"  Leviticus is the only passage about homosexuality specifically in which "an abomination" is the correct answer. So at the very least both A and D is correct. But D is a huge stretch.

    The New Testament is certainly a huge step up from from the Old Testament when it comes to morality, but even Jesus suggested that the many of the Old Testament Laws still apply such as killing children who curse their parents and beating your servants and slaves (Matthew 15:4-7 and Luke 12:47 respectively)

    If we are just going to cherry pick The Bible for inspiring stuff and completely dismiss all the hate and bigotry, the genocide and infanticide, the wrathful and the corrupt parts then why not just throw away The Bible completely and write a whole new book? A book that inspires and teaches people to be good and moral. A book without contradictions, a book without fairy tales and miracles, a book without superstitions and fear. That way people can't take a book that was written by bronze age mystics out of context and use it to oppress different groups in our modern civilization.
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Zach:


    I'm proud of you!

    8 out of 10 is absolutely amazing for a quiz that was largely made up of "trick" questions.

    We actually have a number of Bibles in our house, any my King James version is parked right next to my two copies of the Koran.
    (I actually wrote a 14 page 4000 work book report comparing the Koran to the Bible, but that's a topic for a different time and place.)

    Both the Bible and the Koran are some of the most popular books every sold, but there are LOTS of books that are more popular, and they are listed below:
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books

    I'm not a fan of cherry picking Bible verses either, and I'm leary of people that use specific verses to justify their positions.

    Jimmy Swaggart probably gave a number of sermons denouncing homosexual behavior because of Leviticus 20:13, but not many of his followers seriously considered
    putting him to death, which would be required in Leviticus 20:10. because of his "consorting" with prostitutes.


    In view of the fact that the 66 books of the Bible were written over roughly 2000 years, in 4 languages (Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and Latin) it's surprising that there
    aren't more inconsistencies than there are. If you also factor in the Gnostic gospels, there's even MORE room for confusion.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Gospels






  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    As I was growing up I read the Bible a lot. My mom was convinced I was going to be a pastor, and deep down I kind of wanted to be. I always asked questions and wanted to learn more. But the more I learned, the more it made zero since. I could not figure out why anyone would ever try and live their life according to this book. I abandoned Christianity by the time I was 18. I learned a little bit about other religions but never as much as I knew about Christianity. I had switched back to the default position of atheism by the time I was 22. My mom was shocked and devastated and still says I'm just lost and will find my way back.

    I can't believe "A Tale of Two Cities" sold that many copies. That book is a painful read.
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Zach:


    I'm fairly certain that I read "A Tale of Two Cities" when I was in high school, but since my freshman year in high school was FIFTY years ago,
    the details are going to be a little rusty. Part of the reason that the book has sold so many copies is that it may have been required reading
    in English literature classes in a variety of schools.

    I came to the realization this morning that the most popular book ever sold actually relates to your thread about the Texas legislature.

    Texas has long been considered to be a state that is "tough on crime", so a character like "hanging judge" Roy Bean is right in character
    with the rest of the state.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Bean

    For a number of years, Texas has executed more people each year than any other state, a fact that actually brought cheers from the audience
    during one of the Republican debates.

    A few years ago, I was having a discussion with one of my conservative friends about the best way to deal with crime.

    He's an advocate of being tough on crime, so would be a fan of Roy Bean or Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

    http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4555079740294897&pid=1.7&w=168&h=138&c=7&rs=1


    Because I favor a more moderate approach, I did some research on the topic in order to determine which way made the most sense.
    Eventually, of course, my research "got put down on paper", and since "A Tale of Two Cities" was originally published in installments,
    I published my story in installments also.

    If you start with the prologue that I published on 7/8/09, and went to progressively newer posts, you'll cover all five parts of the story:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2009/07/tale-of-two-cities-prologue.html

    The Lone Star State is unlikely to change its position on capital punishment any time soon, in view of the questionable sanity of some of its legislators,
    but there are some pretty compelling reasons why it should.




  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    As much as I would like to get involved in this discussion about the Bible, until I can figure out a way to write my responces on Word and copy and paste to the comment section I probably won't be making too many comments. I really enjoy and depend on spell checker, best thing ever on a computer.

    I really didn't know Israel was a Republic, I thought it was a Parlimentry form of government. but then when I look at the way Texas revises history I guess they can say it's a Republic if they want to.

    Charlie Lockett
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Why is Adelson contributing so much to Republican candidates? In a nutshell, It's the settlements strupid.
    Adelson was 84% of Gingrich's campaign. For this Newt said , "On day one , I'll move our embassy to Jerusalem."

    Adelson is so Zionist expansionist he bought a newspaper in Israel to push his Israel should not give up the West Bank and E Jerusalem views. - AND gave copies away, -- as if the Jerusalem Post wasn't conservative enough. This of course is against official US policy for now over 40 years, both administrations .

    it is all about Israel keeping all the settlements and all the territory , and self righteous ethnic cleansing. So what's new?

    Romney is now going over to kiss Netanyahu's ring but he already has done so or Adelson wouldn't have now become his largest contributor.

    This is most disgusting turn of events, which our cowardly press is afraid to headline and make a major issue as it should.

    Again, it's the settlements stupid!. .