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    I'll be brief.There is an article on cnn money  http://money.cnn.com  entitled "The 1%ers in Congress"  Well written and a recommended read. The main point we got out of this, and turned into a 3500 word article on our website,was that only between 6 and 9 people out of 535 currently in congress...come from a working background.
      Somebody please explain to me...how this congress can ever even hope to be "in touch with the voters"...if NONE of them have ever for one day,lived like us?Let alone,among us?We're in deeper trouble than even we think.
      The solution,and a solution must come...will come from US. Not a government that has assumed royalty like airs.If you find yourself with nothing to do for 45 minutes or so...you are welcome to go to our site and read the article. It's entitled "On the reason for the Revolution".It's a long article,even by our standards. Our site  http://downbythedocks.net    and as always,comments,ideas and criticism are equally welcome.Ideas especially.This has to stop,because this is our country,not the wealthy only,not just the ones fortunate to live well...it BELONGS to all of us,And to generations that haven't even been born yet. 
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    That is really shocking. What is that -- less than 2% ??
    Less than 2% of our Congress comes from a working class background. Well, that explains a great deal...

    It's no WONDER they don't ever listen to us, since we are lower than pets to them. Their dog FiFi gets more respect.
    On the other hand, we need people with college education & lots of experience in govt finance & world events. Only the wealthy seem able to provide that kind of background.

    But here again, OBAMA is the exception. He has all the attributes: great education & training, social skills, intellect, sense of humor, debate & public speaking, & full understanding of the political process. Not to even mention he is a professor of Constitutional Law.

    Dare I mention that he has good character, family values, integrity & honesty, & sincere patriotism on his side.  We are so blessed to have such a good man representing the Democratic Party & the USA. VOTE OBAMA 2012.

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    Gymrat and Veronica -- You're both absolutely right. Noted economists like Robert Reich and Paul Krugmann have highlighted again and again that the problem with our economy is the inequality of income and wealth distribution.

    Gymrat, I'll update the link to your article: On the reason for the Revolution, May 9, 2012 so that people can find it easier.

    The CNN Money article, The one percenters in Congress, (updated link) also provides a link to another article: Democrats step up income inequality battle. The chart in that latter article showing the quitiles of income growth is a no-brainer to me.

    As Alan Kreuger, chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers said:

    "The wealthy have seen their after-tax income soar 278% between 1979 and 2007, while the middle class only edged up 35%."

    "The economy would be in better shape and aggregate demand would be stronger if the size of the middle class had not dwindled as a result of rising inequality."


    However, I remain frustrated and pessimistic that despite all these facts, so many poor and middle class Americans in their ignorance still vote for Republicans.  Polls should never be 50:50, Obama versus Romney.  If economic policies were the only issue, Obama would be beating Romney in the polls 98:02. Yet as they are glued to Fox News across America, they actually believe the lies of trickle down economics...that their corporate masters and the extremely rich will somehow take care of them...and that BIG GOVERNMENT is the source of all the ills.  Absolute bull crap.

    Or they believe that gay marriage is the central and defining issue of America. That and other issues divide us...but not the rich.

    Gymrat, I like what you have written on how to fix this mess:

    How to fix this mess? Well, we DO have one great advantage our forefathers didn't possess. We can vote! They had to fight. Big difference. Unfortunately, we aren't taking advantage of this advantage. And here is where we are at a large DISADVANTAGE to our forefathers. They were united, we are divided. Simple as that. Divided along every conceivable line possible. Color, sexual orientation,where you came from, every possible divide, that describes the USA today. And Benjamin Franklin said this best, and we would do well to heed his sage advise..."Either we will hang together, or we will surely hand separately".

    As we have discussed in other threads, campaign finance reform is critically needed (I'm pessimistic of that happening any time soon), but also voter enthusiasm and voter knowledge on the issues that affect them. Despite all the wealth of the Republican donors and the zillion negative ads, and their Christian Crusade to make America into a Christian theocracy, Democrats should and could kick Republicans butts if they would just vote. I am a volunteer for the Obama Campaign trying to get people enthused enough to even register to vote.  It is really discouraging, but we'll keep trying.

    Thanks for sharing, gymrat.
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    But here again, OBAMA is the exception. He has all the attributes: great education & training, social skills, intellect, sense of humor, debate & public speaking, & full understanding of the political process. Not to even mention he is a professor of Constitutional Law.


    Yea; too bad he's a conservative. I will be voting Green again this year.
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    Codejack,

    Yes the Green Party has an excellent party platform. When I read the list from top to bottom, I say wow...I wish we could do everything in their platform.  In fact I like it much better than the Democratic Party platform.  But...

    I live in a swing state, Colorado, and it's absolutely imperative that we scrounge up every vote possible.  The 2012 election could very well be like 2000 with very close races in swing states like Florida.  Ralph Nader's Green Party took 97,488 votes officially in Florida in 2000.  Al Gore lost to Bush by less than 200 votes...officially. However, as we all know, had SCOTUS not intervened in the recount, Al Gore would have won.

    I don't want Colorado to go the way of Florida in 2000.  So I will be working to get every vote possible including persuading Green Party leaning voters to vote for President Obama. They can still vote for their local and state candidates, but a President Mitt Romney would be a f**kin disaster for the middle class in America.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Gymrat and Veronica -- You're both absolutely right. Noted economists like Robert Reich and Paul Krugmann have highlighted again and again that the problem with our economy is the inequality of income and wealth distribution.

    Gymrat, I'll update the link to your article: On the reason for the Revolution, May 9, 2012 so that people can find it easier.

    The CNN Money article, The one percenters in Congress, (updated link) also provides a link to another article: Democrats step up income inequality battle. The chart in that latter article showing the quitiles of income growth is a no-brainer to me.

    As Alan Kreuger, chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers said:

    "The wealthy have seen their after-tax income soar 278% between 1979 and 2007, while the middle class only edged up 35%."

    "The economy would be in better shape and aggregate demand would be stronger if the size of the middle class had not dwindled as a result of rising inequality."


    However, I remain frustrated and pessimistic that despite all these facts, so many poor and middle class Americans in their ignorance still vote for Republicans.  Polls should never be 50:50, Obama versus Romney.  If economic policies were the only issue, Obama would be beating Romney in the polls 98:02. Yet as they are glued to Fox News across America, they actually believe the lies of trickle down economics...that their corporate masters and the extremely rich will somehow take care of them...and that BIG GOVERNMENT is the source of all the ills.  Absolute bull crap.

    Or they believe that gay marriage is the central and defining issue of America. That and other issues divide us...but not the rich.

    Gymrat, I like what you have written on how to fix this mess:

    How to fix this mess? Well, we DO have one great advantage our forefathers didn't possess. We can vote! They had to fight. Big difference. Unfortunately, we aren't taking advantage of this advantage. And here is where we are at a large DISADVANTAGE to our forefathers. They were united, we are divided. Simple as that. Divided along every conceivable line possible. Color, sexual orientation,where you came from, every possible divide, that describes the USA today. And Benjamin Franklin said this best, and we would do well to heed his sage advise..."Either we will hang together, or we will surely hand separately".

    As we have discussed in other threads, campaign finance reform is critically needed (I'm pessimistic of that happening any time soon), but also voter enthusiasm and voter knowledge on the issues that affect them. Despite all the wealth of the Republican donors and the zillion negative ads, and their Christian Crusade to make America into a Christian theocracy, Democrats should and could kick Republicans butts if they would just vote. I am a volunteer for the Obama Campaign trying to get people enthused enough to even register to vote.  It is really discouraging, but we'll keep trying.

    Thanks for sharing, gymrat.

    Maybe I'm being optimistic where optimism isn't in order. But I still think...there is no such thing as a problem in this type of venue without a solution.We just haven't stumbled upon it yet. You're right, the problem begins with the religious right...who DO believe that gay marriage,abortion,and other "social ills" ARE the main issues facing the nation.They believe this country is under "judgement" for the above mentioned reasons,and if they can eliminate the "ills",the judgement goes away,and we are back to prosperity.And they pound that from 11:00AM-Noon,every Sunday. And for the most part,the true "religious" believe.But,that still doesn't come out to 50/50.That comes to more like 75/25...and we still win by a landslide.
        And I don't have the solution.The solution obviously lies in education,telling the truth.The question lies in how?How do we explain to the electorate at large that the country could split apart if the wealthy gets it's agenda in place,and in full.
      So the question becomes:How do we educate?And here i do believe that we have to think outside the box.We can't rely on the Democratic Party to do this...they are afraid to do or say anything...just like the opposition.I'm going to make an observation here.The 50/50 split doesn't work against us, it works FOR us. See, WE can say and do anything we choose,without concern for the political machine. Granted,this isn't an earth shattering disclosure.But a solution lies out there somewhere.In an age where we can communicate in real time,in an age where we don't have to travel for people to join in discussions...we can put our heads together.There is a solution to this,we just haven't found it. As I mentioned somewhere in the past,probably on Docks,if a person has less than $10 million net worth and casts any vote for the current Republican party,they are in effect voting AGAINST themselves! If we can get THAT one single piece of information in front of the voters,we win.If we can't we lose.Oh we might win by a slim margin,and that isn't good enough. We need somehow to change the NATIONAL conversation to this one issue.
    And we have DemHub and other forums,we have e-mails,we have lots of democratic volunteers...we have assets.What we need right now,are ideas.And that's where DemHub comes in.Let's put our heads together,outside the usual ways campaigns are run.Unusual situations call for unusual responses.We have almost six months.That is an eternity in politics.
      Also,it wouldn't hurt for some of us that are experts in tech to contribute with some type of communication explaining the financial ramifications in a way that can be easily understood by people without financial training,and easily communicated to the masses.  "The surest way to create a fanatic is to persuade before you instruct" (Voltaire) We won't make that mistake. We are three + months from the conventions.Education starts now...and in three months,we start to persuade. It's an idea.
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    I just want to add one more fact.We have the advantage...we actually have a MESSAGE, the opposition doesn't.What I mean is,we can rely on financial facts,records,schmidt pointed out the disparity between the top 2% and the other 98%(us)in after tax income.Stuff like that is our ace in the hole.The opposition doesn't have a message,at least not one they can explain to the 98%.So they rely on "social ills", dividing us along gay marriage(which has nothing to do with our financial future,but was good of Obama to come out for),and all their other tricks.But we have seen them before.Let's stay focused on the FACT we have a message that will resonate with the vast majority of Americans.They don't.
      Now the question becomes...how do we get that out?There IS an answer,it's out there somewhere,we just haven't come up with it yet.But,I do believe we will.The MESSAGE.That's where we start.The MESSAGE.
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    gymrat22 Wrote: The solution,and a solution must come...will come from US. Not a government that has assumed royalty like airs... Ideas especially.


    gymrat22 Wrote:
    And I don't have the solution.The solution obviously lies in education,telling the truth.The question lies in how?How do we explain to the electorate at large that the country could split apart if the wealthy gets it's agenda in place,and in full.


    One alternative is to reduce the sphere of influence that (wealthy) politicians have over our lives. That is one way of reducing the impact of government getting into bed with big business.
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    You are right...taking the money out of campaigns is the only real long term solution.However,and this is a big however...there is no way I can see to get the political machines on either side to agree to any thing like that.Not even to slow down the flood of bribes into the system.
      I am however,wide open for ideas.
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    For perspective, I suggest reading some of the antifederalist papers of Brutus.
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    gymrat is completely correct.

    The "political machines on either side" will have nothing to do with REAL campaign finance reform.  The system is already too corrupt.  The big money already OWNS them.

    The rules would have to be changed by the very people who are corrupted by the big money.

    Bite the hand that feeds them?  Wont happen.
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    We really do need some sort of campaign finance reform that is comprehensive and enforceable. It would be wonderful if we could put an end to the centuries old corruption that has plagued our electoral process. I think, and I am obviously not original for the thought, that a good starting point would be throwing out Citizens United and putting a limit on what corporations can contribute to the campaign process.
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    "putting a limit on what corporations can contribute"

    I think a better way to say it would be "putting a limit on what corporations OR INDIVIDUALS can contribute"

    But it is not likely.

    Once MONEY corrupts and completely takes over it won't be taken out. 

    Why?  The people who have to take the money out are themselves OWNED by the big MONEY.

    And in my opinion, MONEY has already corrupted and completely taken over.  Or close to it.
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    I agree, the only real thing saving us is that the special interests throwing all of the money at the politicians are competing with one another so no one group is going to get much more of an advantage over the other. That being said, it's an awful reality all the same. We are a Plutocratic Republic now, and the age of privatization is coming in strong and fast.