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    It is nice to be able to solve a problem, but getting even, is another thing. Take the attacks on 9/11 for example. America wanted to get even, the majority was all for it, but what did it really get us?

    For one, a deficit that is astronomical. For two, a war. A war that has caused an astronomical deficit and the cost of American lives. Also, thousands of Americans that are maimed or disabled for life.

    One thing I have learned in life, you don’t get good from an act of bad. One can’t get any worse than war. Yet our government convinced us all, war was Americas way to get even. Why?

    War is a way to make money, many Americans believe. But who is really making the money and where does it come from? Sure the workers at Boeing are making money. Just like they could of made at one of the thousands of factories that were allowed to be sent to China. The “owners” of Boeing are making the real money. Money that the majority has to produce. Money we haven’t produced, our deficit is proof of that. Yes war is a money maker, for the companies that lobby and own our politicians.

    America has justified this rich man making war for ten years now. Recently, our reason for war has been thrown over board, Bin laden. According to our rich owned media, a Navy seal team recently killed Bin laden. The trophy all Americans wanted. Instead of showing off their trophy, they throw Bin laden over board. Why?

    Simple, Bin laden was killed in the first days after 9/11, the seals had no trophy to show us. Why did America’s leaders say Bin laden was still alive? Simple, to justify a war, a war the majority pays for so the rich can get richer.

    If there is anything to be learned here, remember, war only makes money for the ones who already have it. Two, you don’t get good from an act of bad, at least not for the majority. Three, our rich owned politicians don’t work for the majority, only the rich that own them get what they want. And for four, it is far time to change the system that owns and controls our government. Yes the majority has the power to make the changes we need, it is for sure time we use it.
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    Bin Laden was not killed in the few days after 9/11. There is video proof of him being alive long after that. Bin Laden was buried at sea for a couple reasons. First, it's acceptable in Islamic tradition, desecrating his body would have just cause more hatred to America and possibly make a martyr out of Bin Laden. Second, it prevents a shrine from developing at his grave site. If he was buried on land, followers could make pilgrimages to his grave and it could be used a symbol to rally more people to Bin Laden's cause.

    War is not good for the economy though, that it true. It's just destructive.
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    There were actually two reactions after 9/11. One was handled beautifully, the other was botched so badly, we have yet to recover.After 9/11, Bush sent several units of special operations to Afgan, and it wasn't long before the Taliban was on the run.That is why we have sp-ops, for situations just like this one.And they performed flawlessly.And once the 'mother Army" got involved, it wasn't long until Bin Laden escaped.There is no reason to rehash Iraq,that was the disaster I referred to. These "low level" conflicts are made-to-order for special operators.The Army and Marines are the best the world has ever seen at full blown manuver warfare.Not so good at 'hearts and minds" the Army contribution to the special operations community consists,of among others...Special Forces.And they spend most of their lives on out of the public eye, on hearts and minds missions.And they are the best in the world at it.Lessons should be learned from this and it appears that President Pbama gets it, he is trying to draw down traditional combat troops, while allowing sp-ops a MUCH expanded role in the "war on terror".Make no mistake,the war on radical Islam must be fought and won.But one does not attempt to kill flys with a pistol.One employes a fly-swatter.Job done,fly dead,no holes in the walls.I say,let these sp-ops troops that we have trained and equiped to fight exactly this kind of war, let them do it.They will succeed.No question. And keep the heavy armor, infantry and air power for Iran, if we have to go in there.That is a job for the Army and marines as a whole. Let the Seals,etc do what they train to do.We will come out better in the long run.Not to mention at a fraction of the costs,both in lives and money.Notice we don't lose a lot of sp-ops troops.There are quite a few reasons for this. Let them do the heavy lifting.Besides,that's what they WANT to do!
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    *Obama* I need to learn to proof read this before I hit the post button. I love The President, and meant no disrespect by hitting the wrong key. My bad
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    gymrat22

    I like Obama too.  Obama had nothing to do with what the media or the commanders in charge of the seals claim.  Obama certainly had nothing to do with starting the wars that caused our deficit to clime four times higher.  Of course I don’t agree with every thing Obama says and does, but he is still ten times better than any Bush or Regan was.
    As far as using special forces to run these wars, I couldn’t agree with you more.  Everything you stated above is correct.  I wrote a blog in the past that says everything you said here, stop the deficit, use special forces.  Lets see how good these fighters are when they deal with America’s best, they will die.

    Zach F

    Sorry, a video of a man with a beard and a sheet, doesn’t make proof that it is Bin Laden, they all look alike!  However, having a body is proof.  The body was thrown off the boat, so no one could ever prove it was not Bin Laden, it’s that simple.  The body could have been dumped after forensic science proved who it was, dumped in a garbage pit that no one knows where, there wouldn’t be any shrine.  Don’t believe everything the rich owned media tells you, if you do, you will become an evolved non eyed blind sheep.


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    I got an idea...lets throw Paul Ryan off the boat, and get a well trained, highly motovaited poodle to take his place. I think we would come out to the good on that trade. Thanks for the compliment, Zach F!!
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    No, a video of a man in a sheet wouldn't prove that Bin Laden was alive, but a video of Bin Laden, talking about current events, which we have and has been released, would prove that Bin Laden was alive at the time.

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    Zach F

    I'm sorry, but a video of a man that looks like someone is not proof it is that person. A body is proof, there is no body nor any real proof of Bin laden still being alive. I followed the war from it's first days, trust me, he was killed long ago, in the first days. America had to justify this war some how, keeping Bin laden alive worked now for ten years. It's time to end the war so there is no need to keep him alive any more.
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    I suppose you're right, a massive conspiracy that spans both the Bush and Obama administration is far more likely. Bush or the GOP never would have used the death of public enemy number one to garner more political support for elections in 2002, 2004, 2006, or 2008. Then when the government did finally announce the death of the most unifying enemy in the country, they strategically released the information when there was no election to be won, no scandal to distract from, or no need to boost opinion polls.

    Make perfect sense. Had Osama been dead for the last decade, someone, somewhere would have used that to their advantage at sometime. That is what politicians do. I'm not saying our government is not above over-exaggerating or even fabricating threats. They have been doing that since WWII. But that does not appear to be the case in Osama's death.

    What should the U.S. done with his body? Parade it all over the country? Desecrate it? That would just rally more people behind Bin Laden's cause.

    Do you also think NASA faked the moon landing? Aliens crashed at Roswell? That the government was behind the 9/11 attacks?
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    Zach F

    You said,

    “I suppose you're right, a massive conspiracy that spans both the Bush and Obama administration is far more likely. Bush or the GOP never would have used the death of public enemy number one to garner more political support for elections in 2002, 2004, 2006, or 2008.”

    No, they would never use the death of public enemy number one to garner more political support.  “They” needed public enemy number one to be free to wage war against us, so they could justify our ten year war.  A war that made the rich richer and the majority POOR. Look at our deficit!  Besides, Bush didn’t need to garner support, he got elected without a popular vote.  Bin laden being alive, kept the majority from speaking out against the war.

    You also said,

    “Had Obama been dead for the last decade, someone, somewhere would have used that to their advantage at sometime. That is what politicians do.”

    If someone in America had proof of Bin laden being dead, they would of used it.  The people that have proof out side of America that Bin laden has been dead for ten years, no one in America is going to hear or believe. 

    The war is coming to an end now, we can take Bin laden out now.  Bush used him for too many years, Obama got to use him at the end, of what “they” say was Bin laden’s life and death.  If America really had Bin laden, we would of proved that to the world, instead of throwing the world’s trophy over board. 

    War is only good for one thing, money for the China job creators.  They justified Vietnam and the cold war for money, wars that did America no good either, except money for the war toy makers and the politicians they own.  We were so afraid of communist during the cold war, now our government owes it’s soul to communist China!  All Vietnam got us is thousands of Hmong immigrants.  Immigrants that are working the rich mans factories for cheap.  War is huge, to justify it, you need a huge reason.  Bin laden was what “they” used to justify a ten year majority killing war.         

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    There is zero evidence that backs up your claims and quite a bit that completely disproves it. If your point is simply to prove the government likes war there are plenty of other examples to use. Making stuff up isn't necessary.
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    Zach F
    You also said.
    “Do you also think NASA faked the moon landing? Aliens crashed at Roswell? That the government was behind the 9/11 attacks?”

    Do you believe those things?  I know the attacks on 9/11 could have been prevented, so does that put the government behind them? Some seem to think so.  I could believe that before I would believe a video of someone talking about current affairs to be a dead man.

    Your’s and the systems reason for saying Bin laden was thrown over board, makes zero sense.  In any crime, evidence is produced, you don’t think what Bin laden did was a crime?  If there was a crime to be solved, the evidence would have been produced.  Because Bin laden has been dead for ten years, there was no evidence to solve the "crime of the century." I didn't make up anything I said, that would be the system who made up stories. The system's video tape is not evidence, the body was.  Yet we have no body, for a very good money making story.   

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    Fake moon landing, aliens at Roswell, U.S. gubmint behind the 9/11 attacks...and Bin Ladens "faked" death, of course.

    Don't forget UFO's, the JFK assassination, the Pearl Harbor attack, and others.

    Some so desperately WANT to believe these conspiracy theories and others.  Why?  Some make money off their "believers".  Some want the fame.  Some want the MONEY.

    And, the wilder and crazier the theory, the more anti-government the theory, the more they WANT to believe it.

    Facts and evidence will not be allowed to get in the way.  Not for those who really, REALLY want to believe.
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    fenway
    you said this?

    “Fake moon landing, aliens at Roswell, U.S. gubmint behind the 9/11 attacks...and Bin Ladens "faked" death, of course.

    Don't forget UFO's, the JFK assassination, the Pearl Harbor attack, and others.

    Some so desperately WANT to believe these conspiracy theories and others. Why? Some make money off their "believers". Some want the fame. Some want the MONEY.

    And, the wilder and crazier the theory, the more anti-government the theory, the more they WANT to believe it.

    Facts and evidence will not be allowed to get in the way. Not for those who really, REALLY want to believe.”


    Reality for you:

    Facts are what matters, that is the whole point of my blog. The fact is, there is no proof Bin laden was alive, only the rumor that he is waging a war on terror and a video of a man in a sheet, years after the attacks on 9/11.  Sorry, these are not facts for someone with half a brain, the rumors and sheet video may fool an evolved non eyed blind sheep, but not all have evolved.  The rest of us with eyes want real proof, not what the system says is so.  Blind sheep are like a broken record, “the moon landing is not real either right”  Man, these same old theories by the blind, they are getting old!  Can’t you people come up with something new to justify your blindness? I know, for some it is easier to believe what we are told, the money system thrives thanks to the weak blind.
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    Conspiracy Smeariacy

    When ever something happens in America, that is to hard for the majority to swallow, the evolved blind sheep say the same thing, “the conspiracy theorist are once again trying to make money and fame.”  The blind would rather believe anything they hear on TV, over having to live with the real truth. 

    Most Americans believe America is the best country in the world.  If so, America would never do anything that was wrong.  So when obvious facts of a so called conspiracy are in plane view, the evolved blind can not see them.  The throwing of Bin laden’s body in the ocean is the latest the blind can not grasp.  The blind will tell you, “yes for a fact it was Bin laden our seals threw over board.”  Yet the blind have no evidence what so ever of this, but you can’t tell them that, they believe what they saw on TV, a video of man in a sheet that claimed to be Bin laden!  When the greatest country in the world says it is so, it is so period. 

    “you can lead a blind sheep to the truth, but you can’t make them see it”

    The money system exist solely because of the evolved non eyed blind.