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Michele Bachmann's "End of Days" Prediction

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Reference: Marie Diamond, ThinkProgress, July 18, 2001: Bachmann Predicted The World Would End In 2006: 'We Are In The Last Days'

    "Lord, the day is at hand. We are in the last days. You are a Jehovah God. We know that the times are in your hands. And we give them to you…The day is at hand, Lord, when your return will come nigh. Nothing is more important than bringing sheep into the fold. Than bringing new life into the kingdom…You have weeded that garden. The harvest is at hand. " -- Michele Bachmann, 2006

    This is what Michele Bachmann belived in 2006.  The ThinkProgress link has a recording of her stating the above quote in her own words.

    More recently as candiate Bachmann she has sought to avoid getting into her religious views, and has repeatedly sidestepped questions in that regard. But have her views changed? I don't think so.

    And with critical economic and military decisions facing America, is that the kind of thinking that we would want from our President?
  • Olympia, WA
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    I am a former Okie who's husband's office was destroyed in the Okla. City bombing and we left because of the narrow minded and religious influences there. Being from Oklahoma I am very aware that Bachman received got her law degree from Oral Roberts University (THE MOST RADICAL FUNDAMENT RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION AROUND). Even to most Okies that private university is infamous for its radical slant. Most people  are not aware that Oral Roberts does not allow students who are over weight to be admitted to that university. So I certainly am not surprised by any of the philosophies that Bachman has learned there.
  • Libertarian
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    And where, exactly, in this quote, do you see her predicting that the world would end in 2006? There's a difference between
    'we are in the last days' and 'the world will end in 2006'. Biblically speaking, the term 'last days' can encompass a much
    longer period than a year; it may mean a 'generation' (around 40 years or so), and may even be used to indicate a period as
    long as a thousand years.

    Her prayer reflects the view that most Christians hold; that world conditions now seem to be coming together to fulfill the
    Bible's prophesies describing the events that the world would be experiencing when the Lord has determined that the time is
    right for the return of Christ and God's judgement.

    I personally have no qualms whatsoever with anyone (candidate or private citizens) who contemplates or reflects upon these
    issues; a belief in a higher-power and our responsibility to at least consider the ramifications involved is reassuring to me. 

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dr. Pepper....the reason I posted Michele Bachmann's views on the "End of Time" is not that she thought it was going to happen in 2006, but rather as an example of her religious beliefs that could influence her decision making as President of the United States. John F. Kennedy was able to function as President putting matters of the Federal govermment ahead of his Catholic faith.  Likewise Jimmy Carter, perhaps one of the most religious of recent Presidents, was able to put America's interests ahead of his Christian beliefs.

    However, I don't think that Michele Bachmann could separate her church from her government.  She was a longtime member of the Salem Luthern Church, which is a member of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. Attending the Oral Roberts University law school rounded out her thinking.  And to me Michele Bachmann exhibits many of the characteristics of the far right Christian movement that believes that God's law trumps government's law. 

    Sarah Posner of Religion Dispatches wrote an article (July 11, 2011), God's Law is the Only Law: The Genesis of Michele Bachmann in which she covers the teachings of Herb Titus, the founder of the Oral Roberts Law School.  Titus is exercising what, "he believes is a “dominion mandate” to “restore the Bible to legal education.” To teach, in other words, that Christianity is the basis of our law, that lawyers and judges should follow God's law, and that the failure to do so is evidence of a “tyrannical,” leftist agenda."

    How much of Titus's teachings have become Michele Bachmann's ideology? I'm not sure, but I'm not comfortable with her rhetoric to date  as I observe her many opinions that seem to mimic those of Herb Titus. But getting back to my original posting, she can have whatever beliefs she wants, but as a candiate for the Presidency of the USA, I have a right to question how she would be an honest broker in the Israel-Palestian conflict when her religious beliefs tell her that Israel must be protected at all costs...for the Biblical End of Time.  I assume you know all about that prophecy. Speaking at the Republican Jewish Convention last year she had this to say (from the Minnesota Independent):

    I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis [Genesis 12:3], we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle.

    Right now in my own private Bible time, I am working through Isaiah . . . and there is continually a coming back to what God gave to Israel initially, which was the Torah and the Ten Commandments, and I have a wonderful quote from John Adams that if you will indulge me [while I find it] . . . [from his February 16, 1809 letter to François Adriaan van der Kemp]:

    I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization.


    The US Congress and George Bush approved a ten year, $30 billion aid package to Israel.  As a taxpayer I have a right to question her beliefs about how she will broker a peace between Israel and the Palestinians. With this kind of mindset, I don't think she can.  But sadly there are many in Congress, both Republicans and Democrats who agree with her on that issue.

    The road to peace in the Middle East begins in Gaza...if a US President and Congress ever choose to force it.

  • Libertarian
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    Schmidt:

    I would like to reply to your post right now but it’s getting near my bedtime (I really am becoming an old coot) and I want to give my reply some needed thought. 

    Let me state right from the outset that my opinions here will be based on my Christian beliefs so they may be ‘tinged’ from the get-go as far as you or others may be concerned; but hey, they are my opinions and I promise you that they will at least be as honest and forthright as I can make them. 

    And, an exchange of different ideas is what makes these posts valuable anyway, right? Preaching to the choir, although providing a sometimes necessary moral reinforcement or ego stroke, can also become boring and non-productive.
  • Democrat
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    What concerns me most about Bachmann is that she graduated from a Dominionist, Law School, Oral Roberts University.  Their goal was to crank out lawyers who would re-write our laws to be biblical.

    Dominionist goal is a Christian theocracy in America and the world.
  • Libertarian
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    Wow. Very glad that khadro has joined this thread. I had never before looked into the 'Dominionist' philosophy (in fact I had never even heard the term before) and I am researching this right now.  Very, very interesting (especially to me as a self-professed Christian).  

    May I beg the participants in this blog to give me a few more days to prepare? In the meantime I'd again like to thank you for introducing me to a new avenue of thought!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dr. Pepper...you might find this article helpful:

    America's Armageddonites by John Basil Utley, October 11, 2007.

    It's almost four years since he wrote the article, but it resonates with me even more today than it did then.  Here's some extracts:

    These end-timers have great influence over the U.S. government's foreign policy. They are thick with the Republican leadership. At a recent conference in Washington, congressional leader Roy Blunt, for example, has said that their work is "part of God's plan." At the same meeting, where speakers promoted attacking Iran, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay glorified "end times".

    Based on this Biblical interpretation, the Armageddonites vehemently argue that America must protect Israel and encourage its settlements on the West Bank in order to help God fulfill His plans. The return of Jews to Palestine is central to the prophetic vision of the Armageddonites, who see it as a critical step toward the final battle, Armageddon, and the victory of the righteous over Satan's minions.

    Conservative Christian writer Gary North estimates the number of Armageddonites at about 20 million. Many of them have an ecstatic belief in the cleansing power of apocalyptic violence. They are among the more than 30% of Americans who believe that the world is soon coming to an end. Armageddonites may be a minority of the evangelicals, but they have vocal leaders and control 2,000 mostly fundamentalist religious radio stations.


    Read the full article at the above link.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I read this article in AlterNet and was thinking of starting a new thread. I browsed and found where we discussed this topic in several threads in the past, and decided to attach it to this thread from 2011 on Michele Bachmann, since she is leaving the House and her legacy lives on.

    Danial Silliman, AlterNet, Why Millions of Christian Evangelicals Oppose Obamacare and Civil Rights

    Silliman interviews Matthew Avery Sutton, author of a new book, American Apocalypse, A History of Modern Evangelicalism. It's a topic that I have written about before, but mostly in relation to the End of Times and the Christian Evangelical support for Israel. This book goes beyond that and instead focuses on the question of why Evangelicals are so skeptical of the Federal government and initiatives like national health care.

    "The one thing that affects how they live their daily lives is that they believe we are moving towards the End Times, the rise of the Antichrist, towards a great tribulation and a horrific human holocaust. In their minds, the imminent Second Coming would not be as important as getting people saved. Salvation, converting sinners, would be the most important thing driving them. But in terms of how they’re shaping and organizing their own lives, I think apocalypticism has been the driving force for much of the last century. It has fueled the movement and shaped it in fundamental ways."

    "And yet the apocalyptic never leaves. It’s still there, that’s where the polls come back. It’s now assumed by hundreds of millions of Americans that the rapture is a real thing and that Jesus is coming back. It’s a genius theology, because it allows people to look at very diverse, very troubling, very dark contemporary events and put them in a context; to say, “I know why this is happening, and it’s going to turn out OK. We are going to be OK.” It gives them peace, comfort and hope in a world that often offers none of those things"


    I post the reference to this article and book, not to argue anyone's beliefs, but rather to better understand the mind of Michele Bachmann or a Louie Gohmert and others like them that are increasing their numbers in Congress and state legislatures. We can mock and ridicule them, but hey, they show up in large numbers to vote while the rest of us stay at home or go fishing on election day.

    Elections have consequences, and now these evangelicals have the solid south and are making inroads in the north as well. In my city of Colorado Springs, we just elected Gordon Klingenschmitt to Colorado's State Senate. You can read about him here...far more radical than Bachmann.

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  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: I read this article in AlterNet and was thinking of starting a new thread. I browsed and found where we discussed this topic in several threads in the past, and decided to attach it to this thread from 2011 on Michele Bachmann, since she is leaving the House and her legacy lives on.

    Danial Silliman, AlterNet, Why Millions of Christian Evangelicals Oppose Obamacare and Civil Rights

    Silliman interviews Matthew Avery Sutton, author of a new book, American Apocalypse, A History of Modern Evangelicalism. It's a topic that I have written about before, but mostly in relation to the End of Times and the Christian Evangelical support for Israel. This book goes beyond that and instead focuses on the question of why Evangelicals are so skeptical of the Federal government and initiatives like national health care.

    "The one thing that affects how they live their daily lives is that they believe we are moving towards the End Times, the rise of the Antichrist, towards a great tribulation and a horrific human holocaust. In their minds, the imminent Second Coming would not be as important as getting people saved. Salvation, converting sinners, would be the most important thing driving them. But in terms of how they’re shaping and organizing their own lives, I think apocalypticism has been the driving force for much of the last century. It has fueled the movement and shaped it in fundamental ways."

    "And yet the apocalyptic never leaves. It’s still there, that’s where the polls come back. It’s now assumed by hundreds of millions of Americans that the rapture is a real thing and that Jesus is coming back. It’s a genius theology, because it allows people to look at very diverse, very troubling, very dark contemporary events and put them in a context; to say, “I know why this is happening, and it’s going to turn out OK. We are going to be OK.” It gives them peace, comfort and hope in a world that often offers none of those things"


    I post the reference to this article and book, not to argue anyone's beliefs, but rather to better understand the mind of Michele Bachmann or a Louie Gohmert and others like them that are increasing their numbers in Congress and state legislatures. We can mock and ridicule them, but hey, they show up in large numbers to vote while the rest of us stay at home or go fishing on election day.

    Elections have consequences, and now these evangelicals have the solid south and are making inroads in the north as well. In my city of Colorado Springs, we just elected Gordon Klingenschmitt to Colorado's State Senate. You can read about him here...far more radical than Bachmann.

    The Most Extreme Election Winner You Have Never Heard Of
    "Schmidt" how come you stay so cool in the middle of that evangelical rats nest? I would n't last a minute there.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Thick skin...and tolerance.

    I just served on a jury, and they served us pizza while we were deliberating. But first my fellow jurors insisted on saying grace.
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    I don't think America has seen the last of Bachman and her side-kick Palin. I shudder at the thought of these running for anything in politics, now that the coffers are open for tons of campaign cash.

    Schmidt, That is not uncommon to have juries deliberating and someone wants to hold hands and say a prayer for strength and wisdom in coming to verdict. I believe it is good, but I also realize for those that are uncomfortable with the "Religion" factor in a government setting, just get over it. Say a prayer to yourself or just be quite and end with, "Pass the pizza, please". I hope the case was an ACLU one. The ACLU would love hearing that the jury was saying grace before eating during deliberations. Thank you, Jesus!
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    Schmidt Wrote: Thick skin...and tolerance.

    I just served on a jury, and they served us pizza while we were deliberating. But first my fellow jurors insisted on saying grace.



    When they swore you in as a juror , what did the court officer use, I am sure the Bible was not for you or did you just have to affirm?
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    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/77823.aspx">AmcmurryFreedom[/url] Wrote: I don't think America has seen the last of Bachman and her side-kick Palin. I shudder at the thought of these running for anything in politics, now that the coffers are open for tons of campaign cash.

    Schmidt, That is not uncommon to have juries deliberating and someone wants to hold hands and say a prayer for strength and wisdom in coming to verdict. I believe it is good, but I also realize for those that are uncomfortable with the "Religion" factor in a government setting, just get over it. Say a prayer to yourself or just be quite and end with, "Pass the pizza, please". I hope the case was an ACLU one. The ACLU would love hearing that the jury was saying grace before eating during deliberations. Thank you, Jesus!

    the aclu wouldn't care if the jurors said grace. they would care if the judge demanded they say grace.

    as for "getting over it" i'll pass. which religion or sect or denomination is ok in a government setting?
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/77823.aspx">AmcmurryFreedom[/url] Wrote: I don't think America has seen the last of Bachman and her side-kick Palin. I shudder at the thought of these running for anything in politics, now that the coffers are open for tons of campaign cash.

    Schmidt, That is not uncommon to have juries deliberating and someone wants to hold hands and say a prayer for strength and wisdom in coming to verdict. I believe it is good, but I also realize for those that are uncomfortable with the "Religion" factor in a government setting, just get over it. Say a prayer to yourself or just be quite and end with, "Pass the pizza, please". I hope the case was an ACLU one. The ACLU would love hearing that the jury was saying grace before eating during deliberations. Thank you, Jesus!

    the aclu wouldn't care if the jurors said grace. they would care if the judge demanded they say grace.

    as for "getting over it" i'll pass. which religion or sect or denomination is ok in a government setting?
    I'm lost; did Michelle Bachman eat pizza with a blessing from the Pope? ( I guess that was the topic)