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Osama bin Laden Killed in U.S. Operation in Pakistan

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    Here is a thread to discuss the details on the U.S. special forces and CIA operation that killed Osama bin Laden.
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    I was wondering how they were going to handle the burial of the body, but now I read that he was buried at sea according to Islamic burial traditions.  According to the Guardian:

    "Burial at sea is rare in Islam, though several Muslim websites say it is permitted in certain circumstances.

    "One is on a long voyage where the body may decay before the ship reaches land. The other is if there is a risk of enemies digging up a land grave and exhuming or mutilating the body – a rule that could plausibly be applied in Bin Laden's case."

    I suppose this will raise some questions from birther types that want to see the body.  But I appreciate that they adhered to Islamic traditions for burial that required that the body be buried within 24 hours.  And his grave will not become a shrine, although it is not Wahhabi/Salafi tradition to enshrine their dead.

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    Praise our troops. 

    Barack "The Crow" Obama gets his man!!

    I got tears in my eyes. 

    If Obama's a Muslim....he's a mean son-of-bitch.


     

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    Gentlemen, I'm now drinking on the job....in honor of President Obama and in celebration of Osama's death....and guess what? Republicans brought the beer!  
    I got 3 votes for the Prez from the other side sitting right in front of me. 

    This is the first day since Summer 2010....that I have been able to breathe.  
    Goddamn....I feel good.  Redeemed.  My energies Restored.  The Big Darkness (House GOP takeover) has been worse than I predicted.  But today, in a dramatic turn-of-events....our party's now aggressively running with the ball at the 50 yard line....

    Next up for Obama.....strategic disengagement from Afghanistan.   
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    Good riddance, now lets bring our boys home from Afghanistan, Iraq, and all of the overseas bases.
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    First, I'm glad the SOB is dead...two, yes it was good that they buried him within the 24 hours as per islamic law...three, they didn't exactly follow the law as per burial at see...A burial at see is only allowed if the death happenned at sea, they should have buried him in an unmarked grave with his head facing Mecca if they truely wanted to follow Islamic Law...I understand that we don't want a site for Myrterdom, but that could have been done with an unmarked grave...aa I said a burial at sea is only allowed if the death happens at sea and if it does they are suppose to go to the nearest land and proceed with the burial...as a friend of mine said...die on land, land burial...die at sea, sea burial

    Truthfully, I hope that they stuffed a piece of Pork into his mouth prior to dropping him into the waters

    A BIGGER QUESTION IS....WHAT DID PAKISTAN KNOW?...THIS EXPENSIVELY BUILT COMPOUND WITH SOME 18 FOOT WALLS had to be known by the pakistani government....

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    1.  Al-Qaeda killed the current President of Pakistan's wife, Benazir Bhutto, one of the most fascinating women of our lifetimes. 
    2.  Civilian leadership over Pakistani military is tenous at best. 
    3.  Pakistan is plagued by corruption. 
    4.  This plays bad in Islamabad for the current government. 

    Having said all that, with bin Laden's compound, I don't think we're looking at a case of the civilian government of Pakistan colluding against the U.S., but elements of the Pakistani military and security services being bought off.
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    paul T. Wrote:

    First, I'm glad the SOB is dead...two, yes it was good that they buried him within the 24 hours as per islamic law...three, they didn't exactly follow the law as per burial at see...A burial at see is only allowed if the death happenned at sea, they should have buried him in an unmarked grave with his head facing Mecca if they truely wanted to follow Islamic Law...I understand that we don't want a site for Myrterdom, but that could have been done with an unmarked grave...aa I said a burial at sea is only allowed if the death happens at sea and if it does they are suppose to go to the nearest land and proceed with the burial...as a friend of mine said...die on land, land burial...die at sea, sea burial

    Truthfully, I hope that they stuffed a piece of Pork into his mouth prior to dropping him into the waters

    A BIGGER QUESTION IS....WHAT DID PAKISTAN KNOW?...THIS EXPENSIVELY BUILT COMPOUND WITH SOME 18 FOOT WALLS had to be known by the pakistani government....




    I could care less what they do with his corpse, fuck their tradition after what they did, they gave us no such quarter during 911.
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    whoa.  that's the point, we're supposed to better than they are.  I think the burial at sea was as proper as it could be considering the circumstances.  Bin Laden now sleeps with the fishes.  Maybe a shark will eat him?  This burial at sea thing is creepy.  Don't throw me overboard.  Anyways, just a thought.
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    They cannot Stone the Crow.
    Never again can the Republicans attack the Democrats for being weak on defense.  That era is over.  This is Obama's achievement.  Rightwing attempts to give undue credit to Bush only box them into a more bizarre and extreme corner. 
    The White Knight is 1/2 Black. And he's as American as apple pie. 
    Tea Party "Big Darkness" is on the ropes.  They simply cannot Stone the Crow.  

    V for Victory!

    Thank you Down for the music.
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    It's a non issue really to me, our foreign policy in that area is a complete abortion.
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    I have heard many people complain about the sea burial. I had to explain to my folks that it helps prevent a landmark that can be either revered or desecrated. Some people still don't get it.

    Another thing people around here have been upset about is the proper burial. Many don't understand that if we didn't bury him proper that it would increase the chances of martyrdom. It's crazy
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    National Security is partly psychological. You're only as safe as you feel. And with the American people afraid....war mongers can more easily sell them on the kind of bullshit that led us into the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan.  
    What matters today is that the Crow, our president, slayed the Dragon.  This will help us disengage from Afghanistan with greater confidence. And it will give Obama greater freedom of action on other fronts...They cannot Stone the Crow.  I'm gonna keep saying that as annoying as it might get. You cannot Stone the Crow. 
    This is going to help Obama politically across the board.
    And it ought to be rubbed in the face of every single Republi-puke that has cursed his name. They cannot Stone the Crow.
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    Carlitos Wrote: National Security is partly psychological. You're only as safe as you feel. And with the American people afraid....war mongers can more easily sell them on the kind of bullshit that led us into the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    What matters today is that the Crow, our president, slayed the Dragon. This will help us disengage from Afghanistan with greater confidence. And it will give Obama greater freedom of action on other fronts...They cannot Stone the Crow. I'm gonna keep saying that as annoying as it might get. You cannot Stone the Crow.
    This is going to help Obama politically across the board.
    And it ought to be rubbed in the face of every single Republi-puke that has cursed his name. They cannot Stone the Crow.


    What the hell does it matter if it helps him politically or not? His death is a non issue for me as it does nothing overall to end the disastrous mess of our foreign policy, both parties have supported throwing away billions in foreign aide, sending our troops to their deaths, all the while wittling our civil liberties away gradually. Is it really worth a couple of approval points for thus far a complete failure of a president? Hell no, I voted for Obozo because he was running on an antiwar platform, and then he escalates it all and pushes dates back for the neocons in his cabal, sounds familliar doesn't it?
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    Well..just to be clear ...Obama did not run on an antiwar platform...he ran on an anti-Iraq war platform....."I AM NOT ANTIWAR; I AM ANTI-DUMB WAR".....

    For 8 years the Republi-pukes have used 9/11 to beat Democrats over the head....Those days are over.
    And I'm celebrating it!


    Now look, I was against both the Iraq and Afghan wars until 2006.....when the prodigal neoconservative son, George Jr. came crying home to his Pappy begging for him to restore sanity by sending one of his realist friends to run the Pentagon, Mr. Robert Gates.

    Before that I thought we had no chance.....and that retreat (with all its negative consequences) was in fact our only reasonable option. However, politically, I did not support the surge because I did not support Bush's positions with respect to Iraqi politics, which I felt were undermining the ability of the Iraqi government to come together. I was in favor of 'prospective' timelines for withdrawal which would alleviate some of the pressure on the Iraqi government coming from their own people. Senator./candidate/and president-elect Obama, basically made it clear, publicly, to the Iraqi government that if he won the presidential election, they would get a more favorable deal...meaning...they had no reason to concede to Bush's demands.....so the Bush administration ended up having to accept timelines, which made all the difference in reducing the violence that the Surge encountered.
    Kissinger's treasonous subversion of the 1968 Vietnam peace talks comes to mind here....but that was in secret....and Obama was a Senator. I don't call what Obama did treason...I call it poetic justice.


    These wars sicken me....I want them to end....but it's nearly impossible to stop a political action in motion....pack up and go home.
    We have put too much on the line...to make a disgraceful exit.

    I believe that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, and I desperately wish mankind could solve its problems without violence......but that is sadly not the world that we live in nor a world that many even want to live in.

    If we are ever going to contain the beast within ourselves.....it's going to require leadership willing to get its hands dirty.
    The world is just too fucked up. That in a nutshell is the essence of my real-idealism.