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If people know it's illegal to racially profile...how do you prove it's racial profiling? Luck?

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  • Democrat
    Beverly, MA
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    There's an article out discussing a meeting on a possible racial profiling incident and how that's not the policy and therefore that cannot be the answer. I can't help but question that. I can not help but think, racial profiling is pretty automatic. I wish it wasn't but it really is.

    There's a reason that you cannot arrest people for their thoughts, there's no way to read what those thoughts are. However, this law attempts to detour people from thinking racially. A noble cause that falls short. Any law that cannot be upheld and researched through facts falls short.

    Now, I personally love the law and I know there are instances when one can find evidence of racial profiling, especially in traffic violations. But do you think it goes a bit to far? Or not far enough?
  • Democrat
    California
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    I think if you live in California you need to read this article my son wrote in the Prison Paper it is racial profiling at it's worst my son pulled the curtains back on our prison system and to show him who is really in control they validated him for speaking out against raicial classification in our prison system and the injustice they are allowed to put forth on our inmates without any supervision or foundation. If they want to show you a leasson they can charge you with anything they want to and justify it with a confidential informant and you are now charged with a crime. That is exactly what happened to my son two short weeks after this article came out in the prison news paper. They validated my son meaning he is now on perminant lockdow 24/7 no contact visits anymore no cantine no phone calls. We recently had a death in our family and it took them 9 days to get the message to my son I left several messages unanble to reach a live person no one ever called me back, until i finally was able to reach someone who helped me and even then it took 3 more days before my son was allowed to call me on the phone and that was after he was validated. Six months ago my son lost his Grandmother this happened nprior to being validated prior to this article when I called the prison to report a death in our family my son was able to call me the same day I reported the death. So you tell me how fair is that His rights their rights all inmates in our prison system that they classify as a certain race is denied their constitutional rights and the funny part is my son is white not mexican he is white and classified as a mexican northerner not that it should matter because last i checked we are all intitled to our constitutional rights or am I wrong? Please tell me has a memo gone out to the prison system that they are now allowed to play god with our inmates or maybe not god but do they now get to be judge jury and exicutioner? Because that is exactly what they are doing and i am one mother but i will fight for my sons rights until the day he comes home because it is the right thing to do these inmates only want the same rights given to all other inmates because it is not legal for prison to change the laws according to what they see fit??? NO NO who gave them that right to torture our inmates who gave them the right to change the laws if you want to call it that in my opinion they are breaking the law and that isn't right this could be your child god forbid these men and women are not asking for extra privledges they are just asking to be treated fairly period with the same rights and be allowed to voice their opinions without being punished for them which is exactly what they did to my son two weeks after this article came out. My son is educated and knows his rights and so they thought they could shut him up by validating him but they can't shut me up and i will take this story to anyone who will listen im sending it to every newspaper and news station that will read it this has to stop today.

    By Eric Z. Anderson
    Behind The Curtains

    The damage our state’s prison system has done and continues to do to the physical and mental well-being of the inmates behind these corrupt walls continues ..... not solely continuing, but progressing on a wide scale level! The unnecessary unconstitutional and overall unjustifiable race-based lock downs continue to affect the majority of all CDCR’s prison population as well as their families. Even more so within the pat decade, it has become second nature for administration to punish a whole race for the alleged actions of one or two individuals of the classified race. Through CDCR’s racial profiling, the inmates due process rights have become non-existent. They are being charged, convicted, and punished for crimes which have never been committed! Prison officials are being allowed to convict and carry out a sentence on an inmate out of mere speculation and or assumptions that he will commit an infraction solely based on his racial classification. This corrupt tactic has allowed CDCR to keep hundreds of inmates confined to their cells for years on end, for no other reason than they can. Inmates with nothing but proper positive and productive discipline-free prison history are being subjected to cruel, unusual, and inhumane punishment for being of a certain race! This racial discrimination has gone unnoticed, and allowed CDCR to discipline prisoners based solely on the color of their skin and/or classification. The use of other individual inmate’s alleged conduct should not be allowed to be a determining factor for the living conditions of his race as a whole. Yet this has been occurring for decades! It is time to pull back the curtains that have so long prevented these circumstances to be seen from the outside looking in. My personal experiences in regards to enduring this racial discrimination all began in the beginning of 2009 in San Quentin State Prison. I arrived to SQSP reception center in September of 2008 from doing four years in county jail awaiting trial. I went out of my way to ensure my actions/conduct never strayed from the path of a positive programming inmate. I found myself six months later still in reception center awaiting a transfer to a main line. Still staying true to my goals to authentically rehabilitate myself I had committed no CDCR Title 15 violations. Yet I awoke one morning ready to walk to the chow hall for breakfast when I was informed by a correctional officer that due to my classification of race I was on lockdown! 24 hours a day, seven days a week, I spent confined in my cell on lockdown for five months, all the way up to my transfer to High Desert State Prison C-Yard Level 4. Upon my departure from SQSP’s five month lockdown I was very anxious to finally reach a mainline where I could receive the incentives and pri9vileges entitled to a general population programming inmate, i.e. yard, contact visits, phone calls, canteen, etc. As a life-without-parole inmate these are the things that keep you going day in and day out through your rehabilitation process! Yet my mainline destination “HDSP C-Yard” turned out to be worse then the oppressive confinement I had just departed from. Upon stepping off the bus with my fellow convicts, all forced to allow the hot, humid August heat to stick to our paper jump suits to our sweat-drenched bodies while the metal of the shackles, increasingly hotter, gleamed in the summer sun, I could care less that I was finally here. In a mater of days I would be settled in receiving phone calls with my loved ones; finally after five years of good behavior be allowed to embrace my family via contact visits, etc. Yet all my years of positive programming once again proved to be for nothing, as upon my arrival to receive my housing assignment in R&R I was again informed that due to my racial classification I was being placed on lockdown. Myself along with six other inmates were declared threats to the security of the institution straight off the
    bus due to our racial classification! I was then placed in hand cuffs and escorted to my housing unit joining hundreds of other inmates suffering the unjust confinement of another CDCR race based lockdown. This time I spent 27 months confined to my cell 24 hours a day, seven days a week! For a total of 32 months straight lockdown in two California State Prisons without even receiving a write-up nor any disciplinary warranted conduct put forth. For this racial discrimination I have a pending lawsuit in Federal Court (Anderson v McDonald). Upon being transferred from HDSP C-Yard to my current housing at CSP Sacramento (New Folsom) C-Yard, I had been incarcerated seven years, still yet to receive a contact visit with my family and loved-ones. I was transferred to New Folsom from High Desert for good behavior. I arrived to New Folsom and again straight off the bus was placed on lockdown along with 26 other inmates of my racial classification. Yet this lockdown lasted only 2 weeks and I was finally allowed to hug my family, my Mom! Yet when I was made abreast of the program I was to receive, I was informed by administration I would be confined to the small side of the yard along with all other inmates of my classification due to being a potential security risk to the rest of the institution. Therefore, I cannot receive yard crew jobs, visiting room jobs, P.I.A. Laundry jobs, and main kitchen jobs, as all other general population inmates do. Once again another prison in California that is allowed to assume through racial discrimination that certain inmates are potential security risks to an institution! It is time to take a stand and utilize the legal avenues provided for us inmates to put a stop to California prison’s peaceful and patient acts of unity amongst true convicts, exhaust all efforts to receive equal justice and overall equality in regards to the Constitutional rights of all inmates.... although we should not have to continually fight administration and CDCR just to receive that in which we are entitled per our Constitutional rights. It is either that or endure years of confinement to a cell with no yard , phone, visits, or canteen, etc. , as I alone with hundreds of other inmates have been for5ced to endure and may have to endure again somewhere down the road unless we all take a stand starting here and now!!

    Forever Forward
    Mr. Eric Z. Anderson G-31197
    CSP-SAC New Folsom AS.U. G. 176
    P.O. Box 290066
    Represa. CA 95671
    P.S.
    Two weeks after this article came out Eric Z. Anderson, the writer of this article and my only child was validated, the prison said without ever, having one write up or even one infraction during his entire time incarcerated they said my son was a Boss and they had two confidential informants to prove it, however, not much you can do to fight it as they are confidential on informant was from San Quentin and the other was from Pelican Bay Prison (where he has never been) So another words we are forced to take their word for it and my son goes to years of lockdown confinement in the shoe. No more contact visits no more phone calls or canteen. Back to being confined to his cell 24 hours a day, seven days a week for nothing except expressing the facts about the living conditions inside our California State Prison system I believe that is why he was validated and they just made up two confidential informants because they can and will get away with whatever they want to get away with unless we all put a stop to it. These prisoners are only asking for their constitutional rights that every human being is
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Racial Profiling is as true as it can be and many police authorities use it for their own personal agendas against our citizens. Not all police are using this method for conducting searches and or arrests, but I wouldn't be surprised that most do use it. Police performance will get rated on arrests and convictions. If police assume that a car driven by a minority is up to no good, they will stop it one the basis of profiling the driver and passengers. Our nation is full of factual evidence and stories told by victims of this type of social abuse. What can you do when you are at the mercy of a person with a badge and a gun? Your child, mother, father, a good friend and many others who are victims of this police abuse are subject to what ever the authority can get away with.

    Many police are just idiots with badges and know they can intimidate at will whenever they choose. A young hispanic man I know was stopped recently for a dirty license plate, which of course you can read clearly the number. The officer saw by his driver license he was hispanic and asked him if he could speak English. Another dumb officer clearly intimidating a young person. Another example is with a older black women in the church was out at night coming back from a church social and was stopped and arrested for prostituion. She was taking to the police station, booked and stripped searched. Of course, by the next morning when the District Attorney got a hold of this, she was immediately released. This could be your mother. Our country is infested with these ignorant police officers that prey on citizens because they "can". Sometimes you get a news report and a story about a law suit, but very few go to the extreme of seeking a law suit. We even get news reports of police officers that over stepped their authority and were arrested for their ciminal acts.

    By no way is our police system too corrupted for performing their legal duties protecting the country. There's just some bad apples that get in the way and I would hope that othe officers that witness these acts do their job to bring justice to other officers that commit criminal acts. Racial profiling may not be criminal, but it is not acceptable in our society. The prison system is whole differnt way of life for those within criminal justice. I have always thought you never had rights as a criminal, but you do have rights as human being and should be treated as such.
  • Independent
    Dover, TN
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    LLBarry Wrote: There's an article out discussing a meeting on a possible racial profiling incident and how that's not the policy and therefore that cannot be the answer. I can't help but question that. I can not help but think, racial profiling is pretty automatic. I wish it wasn't but it really is.

    There's a reason that you cannot arrest people for their thoughts, there's no way to read what those thoughts are. However, this law attempts to detour people from thinking racially. A noble cause that falls short. Any law that cannot be upheld and researched through facts falls short.

    Now, I personally love the law and I know there are instances when one can find evidence of racial profiling, especially in traffic violations. But do you think it goes a bit to far? Or not far enough?
    "Any law that cannot be upheld and researched through facts falls short." Could you please teach this simple theory to the law makers?
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    LLBarry Wrote: There's an article out discussing a meeting on a possible racial profiling incident and how that's not the policy and therefore that cannot be the answer. I can't help but question that. I can not help but think, racial profiling is pretty automatic. I wish it wasn't but it really is.

    There's a reason that you cannot arrest people for their thoughts, there's no way to read what those thoughts are. However, this law attempts to detour people from thinking racially. A noble cause that falls short. Any law that cannot be upheld and researched through facts falls short.

    Now, I personally love the law and I know there are instances when one can find evidence of racial profiling, especially in traffic violations. But do you think it goes a bit to far? Or not far enough?
    People's thoughts cannot be legislated against. You are allowed to think anything you want. However, you actions can get you in trouble.

    Example 1: (Not racial profiling: Not Illegal)
    I am a police officer and I see a Hispanic individual going about his day doing nothing wrong. I think to myself "I bet he is an illegal." I then continue about my day.

    Example 2: (Racial Profiling: Illegal)
    I am a police officer and I see a Hispanic individual going about his day doing nothing wrong. I think to myself "I bet he is an illegal." I then briefly detain him until I can verify his citizenship. An officer needs probable cause to detain someone, race alone is not probable cause.

    Example 3: (Racial Profiling: Illegal, but harder to prove)
    I am a police officer and I see a Hispanic individual going about his day doing nothing wrong. I think to myself "I bet he is an illegal." I then follow the man until there is another reason to stop him. During that stop I then verify citizenship.

    Racial Profiling is only based on actions, not thoughts.
  • Libertarian
    Georgia
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    I have a question; Why is it never considered to be racial profiling and/or discrimination when the complaintant happens to be of the caucasion persuasion? It has happened to me more than once, but apparently I have no legal grounds upon which to file a complaint.. based solely upon the color of MY skin which just happens to be white. So how fair is that??
  • Center-Right Democrat
    Democrat
    California
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    Very sorry to hear about what is happening to your son.
  • Liberal
    Other Party
    Llos Angeles, CA
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    The very first thing that drug interdiction teams observe are (a) out-of-state-plates (b) driver, how old? how brown? ,and how come he's not at a job.

    Traveling with not enough luggage, or too much luggage......many bags of take-out food in the car(trash). ......having trouble with questions asked about where driver is headed.


    FYI: If any citizen is ever pulled over for a traffic stop or any other stop....You do not have to tell them anything about where you're headed, or how long have you been traveling.....It's none of their concern or business.....You simply hand over your license, roll the window up and listen to the radio....

    The fourth amendment requires "more then suspicion , less then the act" in order to search your vehicle. you can simply drive off as soon as your citation is written. An officer can only keep you there as long as its related to the citation....anything else is called an investigative detention which requires a WARRANT or............... YOUR PERMISSION

    Do not ever give permission to anyone for the purpose of searching your vehicle....They are trained to ask questions in the form of commands. Most people believe they are required to answer........See, Terry v. Ohio...... supreme court decision

    see Also, Fourth Amendment: search and seizure



    Your citation is written, the officer hands you your license....and asks....are you carrying any drugs or weapons in the vehicle....You reply,, NO........he then asks for permission to search the vehicle....by saying "DO YOU MIND IF I LOOK"

    The officer doesn't ask permission because you may catch on to requirement that is needed ,,,,,so he changes the wording.

    Once you give permission.....Its over he can do what he wants
  • Liberal
    Other Party
    Llos Angeles, CA
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    If the driver of any vehicle is stopped by police and asked if their vehicle can be searched......if you are nervous about saying'" no", or maybe a little scared or intimidated , please be aware that you are not under arrest, and a free citizen. Call 911 from a cell phone, or simply ask the officer that you request a" field supervisor" to the location so that he explain policy and law to the officer

    If you do give any officer permission to search you vehicle, ""he can only visually search the vehicle for whatever's in plain sight.. He cannot remove paneling, go under your seats, or start tearing up your vehicle by any means...that would require more probable cause.....or he testify and claim that you gave him permission to tear your car apart.....Funny.....but true'

    Explain to the officer when refusing that "simply assessing your constitutional rights" is the basis for denial.


    Now, any Mexican or Black driving down the interstate in a rental provides the "more then suspicion, less then the act' requirement, and the basis for being racially profiled .....but in all truth, the police have a slew of legal reasons why they can stop a vehicle.....Racial profiling has been here forever and will remain....The courts are very lenient with police interpretations of probable cause...

    Mexican and Black sell drugs in this country, Chinese cannot drive, and Jews are greedy......These statements are racially motivated and insensitive, but not UN TRUE for the most part. This is why we have stereotypes.




    I just happen to be Mexican that has been in prison for drugs.....It is what it is
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    LLBarry Wrote: There's an article out discussing a meeting on a possible racial profiling incident and how that's not the policy and therefore that cannot be the answer. I can't help but question that. I can not help but think, racial profiling is pretty automatic. I wish it wasn't but it really is.

    There's a reason that you cannot arrest people for their thoughts, there's no way to read what those thoughts are. However, this law attempts to detour people from thinking racially. A noble cause that falls short. Any law that cannot be upheld and researched through facts falls short.

    Now, I personally love the law and I know there are instances when one can find evidence of racial profiling, especially in traffic violations. But do you think it goes a bit to far? Or not far enough?
    You can go to prison for your thoughts....Conspiracy.......See Title 21 U.S.C. sec. 846 It requires two or more persons to come to an agreement (thought) One overt act in furtherance of the thought ............You now have conspiracy.



    If you and I are discussing the purchase of stolen credit cards to buy clothing for ourselves, but we need to buy them from" BILLY" so we decide that we will contact Billy the following day....The moment Billy is contacted a conspiracy has been committed....regardless if Billy even has stolen credit cards,,,,or,,, the fact that we have yet to buy or use them........Does not matter.....This is an example of CONSPIRACY
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    WELL STATED MOM WITH A HEART
  • Other Party
    orlando/winter park, FL
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    our president is as racist as ever. it's all rigt for blacks to kill whites,but not the other way around. and Sharpton and Jackson are the biggest racists.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    it's very difficult to determine one mans thoughts in regards to racial profiling and even more to prosecute him for it, I, for one ,would dread the day when one's own thought's becomes a criminal act. However ,if he shares those thoughts with some else and takes steps to further his intentions, then Citizen is correct ,that constitutes a conspiracy.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    patsyann Wrote: our president is as racist as ever. it's all rigt for blacks to kill whites,but not the other way around. and Sharpton and Jackson are the biggest racists.
    patsy ann, there must be some young black kids around your 'hood that are threatening to you I hope you're a good shot!