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I guess the government including Biden lost its marbles.


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  • Dutch
    2022-11-18 09:00:55 AM
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    Biden "pardoned" the Saudi Prince who arranged the murder of Kashocki ; very strange to do so right now. Biden "thinks" that then the "oil" issues will be solved. Nuts; the oil issue is this country itself.

    Now the Elections are over, the "idiots" like Greene compare the Russian invasion into the Ukraine with our border immigrants issue. As well finds that all the "insurrectionists" should be let out of jail.

    Yes people that is what you get once you let the GOP win; they also want to investigate Biden and his son for "crimes".

    I guess "fun" times will be ahead; also Jordan came out of the woodwork as well the other idiots who sneaked into the government.

    The GOP also want to curb the help for the Ukraine ; so Putin will love this for sure, so he can keep "murdering" innocent people. As well lots of other "plans" to make this country another Russia.

    Sorry this country is going to the "dogs" in a hurry; be proud of it.

  • Dutch
    2022-11-20 09:15:16 AM
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    Garland finally woke up a bit late, but knowing Trump and the "awful" "talk" only system here, I still think Trump will never see jail.

    Everyone here can be "bought"; our elections prove such. When is this country ever going to learn that an outdated copied British "system" manipulated for over 200 years plus, will eventually "fail" and creates the turmoil and "super crooks" who can keep "stealing" us blind. But yeah, only an revolution or an "miracle" can save this country from its self inflicted wounds.

    The way things are going by "electing" all kind of "weirdo's" into the government will only make things worse.

    How got an Greene, Gaetz, Jordan, Trump, and lots of GOP Judges and lots of other "un-qualified" people etc. into our government as well an "partisan" Supreme Court. It's because our "antique English "system" is totally screwed up and the 50 States do with it as they like. The "voting system" and its way it is done is asking for all this shit as well. Sorry but this country is digging its own grave. as long as nothing here is drastically changed and "qualification" for the job does not count as well things are mostly done with "lots" of money thrown in to corrupt the "system", then forget this country.

  • lonely bird
    2022-11-20 12:46:13 PM
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    Dutch,

    I get your concerns. I agree with the vast majority of them. But we have to look at what reality is.

    The constitution is NOT a collection of laws. It is a foundational document laying out the methodology of a democratic republic. Imo, the founders particularly Jefferson believed that the people elected to federal office would be of their class, the “accidental aristoi” meaning wealth/position aristocracy. They did not believe in democracy, in the will of the people. This is shown in the document itself. Only one half of the three branches of government are elected directly by the people. The document did not layout extensive criteria to be eligible for federal office because, again, they thought the candidates would be from their class.

    As to things like the taxes of the candidates unless it is established as law no candidate is required to reveal their taxes. I agree that they should be required but they are not. Now, you bring up case law and I get and agree with the frustration. That being said I would wager that every European democracy has the same problem. Here the problem is exacerbated by the position of the US on the world stage. Laws are put into place and then situations occur which do not fit exactly to existing law so legal decisions are handed down by courts via criminal/civil cases.

    Finally, unless there is a situation of defeated belligerents in a war such as occurred with the Nuremberg trials leaders of countries in essence are immune from prosecution. The same applies in reverse with Bush2 re: Iraq and possibly Clinton re: the Balkans. We can of course argue that such should not be the case and the International Criminal Court is an attempt to holder people accountable. We will never see an American president or high official from an administration brought before that court.

  • Dutch
    2022-11-20 12:49:32 PM
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    Yes this country lost its "marbles.

    The latest, as I predicted: Musk has made "Twitter" now available to Trump and his cronies. Let's hope that "Twitter" goes bankrupt, because of their situation related to all the "workers" who are quitting the joint.

    However if Trump injects some of his "stolen" money it may become another Fox News outlet spewing his "crap".

    When is this country ever going to learn?????

    Biden please wake up; they will saw your legs off from under you. Your DOJ and "Garland" could have stopped all these predictable moves. But Garland is barely inclined to put Trump in "jail".

    I just about can bet that the Twitter "stocks" on Monday turn "Green(e)"

    I'm afraid that two "assholes" will run in 2024; DeSantis and Trump. Or Trump manages to push DeSantis out or the reverse.

    None of such will help this country at all; but only makes things worse.

  • Dutch
    2022-11-21 12:04:36 PM
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    Lonely, sorry but I don't agree on your statement that Europe has the same problem, may be except England.

    In Europe they "adapt their "base laws" on an daily basis, but not here. Thus the laws are up to date there. Here they just mess with "case laws" (after the fact laws) which are manipulated all the way by all kind of "partisan" lawyers as well depending on the "quality" and mindset of the elected people in the government.

    Lots of "games" are played with it and the "lawyers" make fortunes from it. Also it creates "ton's" of paperwork and research into the past, what was done or written and its interpretation of it in "modern times". At a certain time it will "collapse" because of that in modern times things don't work anymore like it did 200 years ago. Take the "gun" laws for instance ( The "Second Amendment") where we still had "militia"; we have no longer "front loading muskets" but other "killing tools" which are much worse; but the laws for it are still not caught up to the times we live in. Case laws don't work because they also become outdated as the Second Amendment, the way it was written in those times. The very few "Amendments" on the Constitution show that at a given moment "case laws" also get outdated and have to be updated; which in the end becomes an impossible administrative situation.

    Therefore Europe has not the "turmoil" as here related to "up to date" laws as it should be. So make it the same; I advise do as they did in Canada, which does not have such turmoil as here related to "laws".

    Constitutional laws get outdated; our "impeachment" process showed already that there were no laws for it written in 1776. neither did they have intercontinal missiles, nukes, computers, cars, trains, planes and a "zillion lawyers" as well "world wars" or Putin types. Let alone "billionaires" who act like "god's"and have their own laws.

    An"parliamentary" system keeps things up to date; what we have is an "self inflicted wound" with lots of bandages to stop the bleeding. The "paperwork" here is asking for lots of "anomalies" and " interpretation" ; it is like fumbling in an garbage heap to find your lost "diamond" with the help of lots of "zombies". It is an total "joke" as proven when we have elections etc.

    The Constitution was written more than 200 hundred years ago; our society has changed so much that it may as well be the dead sea scrolls. People's life and living conditions are totally different than in in 1700. At given moment you can't "update" an "base law" anymore because of all the changes in the world since 1700. Therefore there were very few "Amendments" made but those are also not up to date anymore.

    No wonder that this country stays in "turmoil" over and over again. However this country is very "stubborn" and "arrogant" and "knows" it all; thus there is little hope that they will chose an better working uniform "law" system. But yeah "Rome" did the same thing and the result is known.

    You can't run an country with "ego trippers" and "smart crooks" alone. Laws and "rules should be strictly adhered too; depending if the "laws" and "rules" are sound "without loopholes" or "outdated". Ask "Rittenhouse" how fantastic it works for him.

  • lonely bird
    2022-11-25 09:51:03 AM
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Lonely, sorry but I don't agree on your statement that Europe has the same problem, may be except England.

    In Europe they "adapt their "base laws" on an daily basis, but not here. Thus the laws are up to date there. Here they just mess with "case laws" (after the fact laws) which are manipulated all the way by all kind of "partisan" lawyers as well depending on the "quality" and mindset of the elected people in the government.

    Lots of "games" are played with it and the "lawyers" make fortunes from it. Also it creates "ton's" of paperwork and research into the past, what was done or written and its interpretation of it in "modern times". At a certain time it will "collapse" because of that in modern times things don't work anymore like it did 200 years ago. Take the "gun" laws for instance ( The "Second Amendment") where we still had "militia"; we have no longer "front loading muskets" but other "killing tools" which are much worse; but the laws for it are still not caught up to the times we live in. Case laws don't work because they also become outdated as the Second Amendment, the way it was written in those times. The very few "Amendments" on the Constitution show that at a given moment "case laws" also get outdated and have to be updated; which in the end becomes an impossible administrative situation.

    Therefore Europe has not the "turmoil" as here related to "up to date" laws as it should be. So make it the same; I advise do as they did in Canada, which does not have such turmoil as here related to "laws".

    Constitutional laws get outdated; our "impeachment" process showed already that there were no laws for it written in 1776. neither did they have intercontinal missiles, nukes, computers, cars, trains, planes and a "zillion lawyers" as well "world wars" or Putin types. Let alone "billionaires" who act like "god's"and have their own laws.

    An"parliamentary" system keeps things up to date; what we have is an "self inflicted wound" with lots of bandages to stop the bleeding. The "paperwork" here is asking for lots of "anomalies" and " interpretation" ; it is like fumbling in an garbage heap to find your lost "diamond" with the help of lots of "zombies". It is an total "joke" as proven when we have elections etc.

    The Constitution was written more than 200 hundred years ago; our society has changed so much that it may as well be the dead sea scrolls. People's life and living conditions are totally different than in in 1700. At given moment you can't "update" an "base law" anymore because of all the changes in the world since 1700. Therefore there were very few "Amendments" made but those are also not up to date anymore.

    No wonder that this country stays in "turmoil" over and over again. However this country is very "stubborn" and "arrogant" and "knows" it all; thus there is little hope that they will chose an better working uniform "law" system. But yeah "Rome" did the same thing and the result is known.

    You can't run an country with "ego trippers" and "smart crooks" alone. Laws and "rules should be strictly adhered too; depending if the "laws" and "rules" are sound "without loopholes" or "outdated". Ask "Rittenhouse" how fantastic it works for him.

    Dutch, I do not deny the problems. That being said I would like to know how Europe “adapts their base laws on a daily basis”. Kindly give me an example. I do think a parliamentary system would be better due to some of the things that you point out. However, my comment re: problems in Europe stands due to the rise of the Law and Justice Party in Poland, Sweden having a RW government take power, the rise of the far right in Germany and France and an actual Fascist taking the reins of government in Italy. Europe is not immune to the impulses of stupidity that are running around in the U.S. The same things which cause chaos here are evident there. I am not talking about guns or idiot politicians as those are symptomatic. Underlying causes include networks/interconnectedness, speed of information movement and movement of humans on scale. Social upheaval is being driven by technological upheaval. Unfortunately, despite the rose-colored glasses of many tech worshippers someone, a human, ALWAYS controls the gates and thereby who benefits from tech. Control equals power and wealth. That control can be and is used for less than noble purposes. Tech upheaval is leaving far too many people in the dust which gives rise to anger.
  • Dutch
    2022-11-26 09:55:29 AM
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    Lonely, Thanks at least you dare to write on this site. I fully agree with you; not one "human made governing system" is perfect. The "animal" in us always want to escape an "solid" system, since everyone always will find a way to go beyond the "law" or find loopholes or all kind of ways to "corrupt" things. It has been that since the "stone age"; human's still got lots of animal instinct in them.

    The more "freedom" you give to "people" the more it will be abused. Especially if there is no "discipline" due to "culture" anomalies. Since the US is an "melting pot" of all kinds of "cultures" and "race" and throw in "religion", then it is virtually impossible to get "uniformity" or that "all" the people "march in the same direction.

    In Europe these things were "sorted out" for the common cause for a long time until the "dictatorship" and "greed" popped up due to industrialization and "immigration". Since I did live in the Netherlands in the "periods" of "calm" in the 50's, 60's and 70's then mostly everyone marched in the same direction. But since more and more "immigrants" from other cultures "overflowed" this tiny country things changed drastically and the "parliamentary" system could not cope with that either.

    Look at Scandinavia; it is much more disciplined, but they are also facing the same problems.

    The main issue for all these countries including the US is, if you put everyone and all kind of cultures in the same "basket" then it does not work.

    Also if the education "system" sticks to its "old" ways then "kids" out of other countries have an hard time to adapt. etc. etc.

    So if you take the US as an "melting" pot, then you may not attract people who think "positive" but only think they can "make money" without any proper "education". Schools and "teachers" here are also "mixed cultural wise" so the "system here grows to what we have now.

    So the only solution is try to get "uniformity" in all the things we do; but I think it is too late due to all the anomalies there are.

    Europe right now is getting the same problems as the US; no wonder due to the influx of other "mindsets" from all over the world.

  • Dutch
    2022-11-27 09:22:05 AM
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    I like to add that "humanity" is an "revolving door" as it has shown through the centuries. Empires come and go, ask the Romans, Greeks as well all the "dictators" and "kings" as well the "religious driven empires". They all failed. Right now we have "empires" who got "nukes" and "allows" the Russian empire as well N.Korea to do as they like.

    Certainly nothing "up there" is going to save our asses, so humanity itself will destroy itself by their own "inventions and "animal" behavior. We are still fighting about an "bone", like dogs do.

    Greed is an huge factor. Ask Musk if he's "happy" and satisfied. The answer is "no"; the rich always want "more and "more", it is in their "gene's. Sorry to say "mankind" is still a bunch of animals who are never "satisfied" or take "life" as it is.

    Especially the "modern" inventions make this "human animal" even more "greedy" and "dangerous" ask the "gun, rocket, bomb" designers. So all of this is an "self" inflicted wound of "humanity" ; this "animal" will never "learn" or "accept" life on this tiny planet, but instead are ruining it. Armageddon is coming closer and closer due to human actions of self destruction.

  • Dutch
    2022-11-29 09:15:03 AM
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    Lonely, just to answer your question related to why things in Europe are more "calm" then here, then I can answer as follows:

    1) It used to be more the result of "thousands" of years of "culture as well "wars" which built the present "law" system there. The US is barely 300 years old and "tinkering" with outdated British crap, which does not work in Britain either ; ask Boris and others. The Royalty there shows also what not to do. Down here they copied this malfunctioning "system and adopted this by throwing an"zillion" lawyers into it. You barely can find an "lawyer" in Europe; they are hard to come by. Also don't forget the "size" of our country compared to England; we have 50 States all about the size of England and its population compared to us, and England can't even manage about 4 districts. Therefore managing 50 all different States has to be done differently than England does. What is missing here is the "solid" oversight by the Fed's as well "uniformity".

    2) If you keep the "base law" up to date then you don't have to look back as they do here with the Constitution which is not working as it should in this day and age. Due to all our "inventions" our daily life has so much has changed, which you can't compare to living in 1700. Like they tried here to make "Amendments" which creates even more complications, because also those Amendments become outdated. Also looking at the "few" Amendments made over time, then the "thing" is missing an enormous "update". Case laws are thus the "bandage" to try to keep things up to date, but have the disadvantage that lots of research has to be done to make sure that no "duplicates/errors" are made which are contrary to the Constitution.

    3) It is so much easier to have just "one" document which covers all our laws and is kept up to date at all times. It does not require all the research into the past. You can "delete" the "obsolete things" as well. The Constitution is just like the "dead sea scrolls" outdated and obsolete and does not fit the times we live in. No wonder that it is here an "lawyer chaos paradise" who can "interpret" things as they see fit. Also that is why it takes here so enormous long to even make the proper "case laws" here. The Supreme Court has also become an"bottle neck" to get things done properly because of the "system"

    As an example take the Trump case; actually it should be an easy "black " and "white" case, that he "stole" documents which don't belong to him. But the system here here allows all kinds of "word" plays to keep this going until it "dies" out by itself.

    Which means our laws are just "toys" to play with and make money of it. If our "laws" would be "sound" then we all don't have to run to the "brain specialist", but can have an "chaos" free life without an "Zillion lawyers".

    Make our laws an "living" document which is up to date and can't be "tinkered" with. However our lawyers hate such, because otherwise they can't make hoards of money of the people and rip them off..

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