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The Faux Indictment Of Donald Trump


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  • Dockadams
    2022-06-10 08:52:39 AM
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    I watched the 1st. episode of televised rendition of Trump's public faux indictment, it was riveting.

    How many other Americans watched it, and what did it mean to them?

    Many of us on this forum probably know that he'll never be held accountable for anything, IMO.

  • Dutch
    2022-06-10 09:02:22 AM
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    Dock, see my reply on it (see thread about "January 6th) I agree with you that none of the GOP will "accept" anything of this nature and continue their "obstruction". Facts don't matter to them; they rather make this another Russia, so the "rich "oligarcs" here can run the show.
  • Dutch
    2022-06-10 12:56:02 PM
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    Hey Dock. How are you doing in New Mexico? Are you settled there now and don't go back up North? I always liked your writing and keep it up. The rest of the clan except "Arizona" stopped writing so the GOP is happy about that.
  • Dockadams
    2022-06-11 02:28:19 AM
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    Man, I almost wished we were back up north, it's topping and over 100 degrees in the daytime, and the government agency I once considered as precious at preserving our natural resources has set prescribed forest burns which are about out of control now, the governor has declared a state of emergency for Sierra County, and we're under a wildfire watch with daily air quality alerts, man, this place didn't used to suck, but now....I've sort of lost confidence in the forest service. At the black range ranger district, I saw a group of young guys gathered waiting for a bus to take them to the front lines to battle the fires, and it almost brought me to tears thinking and knowing that they'll be risking their lives to save what they can.

    yahoo.com/news/biden-facing-fire-anger-...

    Hey, how about that, Ivanka threw her daddy under the bus! Now he's really pissed!

  • Dutch
    2022-06-11 09:25:44 AM
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    Hey Dock, looking at what you wrote. it does not look like paradise there either. Here we get the "exhaust" of the "jets" leaving the international airport, which depending on the wind fly along the backside of the house. So it is not "paradise here either. On top of that the "tornado's and the hurricanes" . The temperatures this year are very high, so I expect an wild September with strong hurricanes. I still got lots of damage from the tornado which happened here on December 21st. But got most of it on the house repaired except the pool cage , which will cost an small fortune. because of its size. But yeah the politics of this country are "ridiculous" at present. Certainly there will be an "depression" coming this year. I still think it is the "aftermath" of the Trump regime. I'm used to the European style of governments with multiple parties. Here the "two" party system is asking for B.S. The election system here is bonkers and super corrupt with hoards of money thrown at it.

    Hardly any "oversight" on anything; looking at your forest service it looks also like everything else here; the more forest you burn then the "climate" will get only more erratic and "hotter". Global warming is caused for a large portion due to "human" interference, by de-foresting as well "carbon" emissions of our cars and power plants and planes etc. So the human race will dig their own graves . Looking at what is going on in the Ukraine is an forebode of what is there to come. Humans are an very destructive animal and eventually it will be their own created demise.

  • that guy in AZ
    2022-06-12 10:43:09 AM
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    Dockadams Wrote:

    I watched the 1st. episode of televised rendition of Trump's public faux indictment, it was riveting.

    How many other Americans watched it, and what did it mean to them?

    Many of us on this forum probably know that he'll never be held accountable for anything, IMO.

    Dock:

    It is estimated that 19 million people watched the hearing. Regular FOX viewers, of course, were not among them because FOX did not air them. The network also ran Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity without commercials so that its viewers would not be tempted to switch back and forth.

    Despite the fact that Trump has frequently escaped justice for his many misdeeds, this time will be different.

    After watching Cheney pile fact upon fact and make connection after connection, the actual prosecutors in the Justice Department (and local prosecutors in Georgia) will have little choice but to issue the actual legal indictments that the treasonous conspiracy of Jan. 6 requires.

    Cheney proved — yes, beyond a shadow of a doubt — that the assault on the counting of the electoral vote was planned, and that thuggish, far-right Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and the rest were part of something bigger. One man set this attempted putsch in motion.

    “President Trump,” Cheney declared, “summoned the mob, assembled the mob and lit the flame of this attack.”

    Speaking to the part of her audience made up of Justice Department lawyers, Cheney used the evidence the committee gathered to underscore that Trump knew his election-rigging claim was a gigantic inflammatory lie. It was devastating to see former attorney general William Barr on video calling Trump’s assertions “bulls---,” and to learn that the former president’s own data mavens told him they were false. Trump’s daughter Ivanka was on video saying she believed Barr, not her father.

    Again and again, Trump attacked then-Vice President Mike Pence’s refusal to throw out legitimately chosen electors, even at moments when Pence’s life was in danger.

    Cheney did not just let this hang there. “Aware of the rioters’ chants to ‘hang Mike Pence,’” she said, “the president responded with this sentiment: ‘Maybe our supporters have the right idea,’ and Mike Pence ‘deserves’ it.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/10/jan-6-committee-accountability-not-partisan/

  • Dutch
    2022-06-12 12:01:30 PM
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    Yes Arizona, you summed it up correctly; I'm just curious about the following "hearings". The only thing I'm negative about is that "justice" may come too late for the Trump clan. Also the Ukraine escalation as well the "economics" here with the cost of living and global warming all will affect this country and the world. Let alone "gun" control here.

    Lots of people "lost" it and are doing crazy things because of it. So I kind of worry about the future of the world.


  • that guy in AZ
    2022-06-14 10:36:08 AM
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    We watched the latest episode yesterday, and will be watching the third one tomorrow morning.

    What I found interesting is that even FOX broadcast the second one, after refusing to show the first one.

    Merrick Garland and the January 6th prosecutors were also watching, so the clock is ticking for Trump.

    Surprisingly, the first indictment may actually come from Georgia, to be followed shortly after that from the Department of Justice.

  • Dutch
    2022-06-14 11:56:27 AM
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    When all these "episodes" are finished will then Garland do what he's supposed to do? Or as usual let it "hang" there and be shoved on the long haul system as always. Likely it will be "undressed" by the GOP in no time. The same as with "gun" control where likely things will be concluded which will have no effect at all, because all these lethal guns are already bought by the arrogant stupid public here. Don't dare to take their "guns" away; then we will have an " civil war" for sure. Stupidity reigns in this country; all of this is an "self" inflicted wound for years to come. Everyone in the government is "afraid" to do the right thing because of the NRA and their members; so forget the "right" gun laws as other countries have, because we painted ourselves into the "corner". It proves again that our laws are not up to date as other countries do have.

    Thus in other words, the "killing" continues, because of an piece of worthless antique paper, which never did foresee weapon developments over time. Rewrite the thing or Amend it again to be adapted to the times and Amend it again over "X" years. An awful stupid system of instead updating the Constitution (base law) on an daily basis as other countries do.

    But yeah, as long there is "lots of money" involved for the zillion lawyers here, then forget "sound working" laws here.

  • Dutch
    2022-06-15 09:13:50 AM
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    I've got the idea that "people" on this island refuse to see the reality of life on this planet. They "stick" to what they have and don't know better. In other words they love "isolation" as well "indoctrination"; it shows such on an daily basis. Let alone that they learn anything from the past or the world. Just look at how many "Presidents" this country had which were incompetent and "greedy". The "copied" British system may work a bit in England, but not here due to the size of the country it does not work, neither does it in England or their now independent "colonies". Canada was much smarter and adopted the European system of having "up to date" base laws. The present "mess" here shows that the "system" here actually is "killing" people, such as an stupid "Second Amendment" which no one wants to "Amend", forgetting that we now live in different times as when it was written. The same applies to plenty of "outdated laws" because of it being an awful "rearwards" looking system instead of that it is adapted to the "present" times we live in. Even an "impeachment" can't be done the right way because nothing was written in 1800 on how to carry this out. No wonder Trump knew his way out.

    Due to the "complexity" of this stupid system, then our laws are never up to date, also because our zillion lawyers would be out of work and can't make the fortunes they charge. Also this stupid system here does not catch up to the times and creates only way too much "paperwork" and "research" "afterwards" digging in the past if an similar "case" ever was put on "paper". Sorry people the " mustard" after meal "system" is always too late to do the "right" thing. Ask the poor dead kids in Uvalde TX. and the Ukraine getting their promised "weapons" too late, because of the all the "complexity" in the bureaucratic "system" and 2 parties who don't get along. Wake up America, the rest of the world moves "forward" and we keep drooling about our fantastic Constitution which is now only good for the museums.

  • Dutch
    2022-06-17 09:26:37 AM
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    Last night I watched the "third" installment of the January 6th committee ; again it showed that our law system is an total mess. Lots of references to 1878 etc. It also showed that even the transfer of "power" is not clearly "defined" about the how and when. The same problems as with the "impeachment" procedure which failed because of it.

    People in 1878 did not have "computers" let alone TV or "cars" or planes or "automation" in the industry etc. So why stick to an 1776 document which was only about 20 times updated since 1776. Sorry we live in other times with lots more "crooks" and "greedy billionaires" and "indoctrination" via the media. Other countries have up to date "base laws" so you don't have to dig into the past. But the corruption and misinterpretations will stay if we stick to this outdated Constitution experiment. It could have prevented lots of disasters as well more qualified Presidents would have been elected as well competent senators and no Uvalde's or "pandemics" with economic consequences. Forget an "two" party only system; it is asking for a "miles apart" attitude and may be even create another civil war. I guess they neither had in 1878 an NRA with an zillion subscribers who determine that your super killing tools are "holy" and even 18 year olds can have them, but our outdated laws allow all this shit.

    Even the Supreme Court is no longer as determined by the Constitution to be "impartial" ; it is now purely "partisan" and even the "wife" of judge Thomas (Supreme Court) joined the "insurrection" mentality.

    So there is lots of clean-up required to bring the system up to date, or start with an clean slate and keep it up to date.

    All the anomalies encountered today shows that the "system" is "worn out" beyond useful for "modern" times.

    I give this country may be another 10 years fooling around with the old parchment and become another Nigeria; sorry it will crumble and moldy and be useless in the future. Wake up America, stop digging in the past; prepare for the future instead.

  • Dockadams
    2022-07-14 03:56:44 AM
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    Dan Abrams says still not enough evidence to indict Trump. huh?
  • Dutch
    2022-07-14 12:57:56 PM
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    I just about "guarantee" that Trump will "weasel" his way out all of this. If all the evidence is not "black and white" yet; you have to proof that his "fingerprints" are on the whole of January 6th happening. If not, forget the whole charade.

    He's not called "teflon" Trump for nothing. He's been ordered many times to show up in court, but always knew how to "bribe" his way out of it. Sorry this stupid country asked for this because why give "Presidents, Executive privileges"?

    Nowhere in the "civil" world does any President gets such, except in this country where they still live in 1700. At anytime the "people" should be able to take any "President" to court for "misdeeds". But not here; laughable for sure. It is not "King Trump" like Louis the 14th of France (at least his head got chopped off).

  • Dockadams
    2022-08-09 05:03:11 AM
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    Five-O raids Mara-Lago. all I gotta say is.....

    Shut off the water supply so they can't flush documents down the toilet!!

  • Dutch
    2022-08-09 11:49:57 AM
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    Dock, everything here here related to "governing" has become an huge "circus"; you better don't watch TV because it drives you nuts. As I've said so many times that the laws here are so "convoluted" due to its "system" and all the "lawyers" who make fortunes on it and invented all the "loopholes". It is time that they "flush" Trump and his loyal buddies down the toilet.

    But yeah the GOP is now more than ever "mad" as hell and determined to win in 2024 because how do the Dem's dare to touch their "hero". Sorry but this country lost their "marbles" with an system that allows all these things if you make Presidents actually "kings" with "executive privileges" and elevate them above the "law" and allow them to enrich themselves over the heads of the people.

    All of this is an self inflicted wound.

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