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    Paul Gosar and a few right wing other ding bats think that Ashli Babbitt was an innocent bystander, and that Capitol police were "laying in wait" to ambush her.

    To quote Rachel Maddow , "horse puckey".

    Gosar has demanded that the shooter's identity be released - which is NOT going to happen - at least not officially.

    According to the Los Angeles Times, the officer's action prevented for MORE damage that would have occurred if he had not taken action.

    On Monday, the Capitol Police admitted what the rest of the reality-based world already knew: The officer who shot Jan. 6 insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt as she tried to barrel through a broken window in the Capitol building did nothing wrong. Four months after the Justice Department decided against prosecuting the cop, an internal Capitol Police review not only found that the officer didn’t violate internal policy but that his actions almost certainly saved the lives of lawmakers and staffers.

    Hours after that decision came down, The Los Angeles Times columnist and former editorial page editor Nicholas Goldberg went further. He argued that by shooting Babbitt, that cop might have very well kept the insurrection from spiraling completely out of control.

    By now, you know that Donald Trump and his most diehard supporters have branded Babbitt’s death as manslaughter at best and murder at worst. But as Goldberg notes, the video shows anything but a homicide. For starters, Babbitt was front and center in a particularly intimidating moment during the insurrection.

    At the same time, a Capitol Police lieutenant is pointing his gun at the mob—as Goldberg puts it, “an unmistakable warning to stay back.” Babbitt would have almost certainly recognized from her Air Force days when she served as a security guard.

    Instead, as we now know, Babbitt got two of her fellow “patriots” to boost her through a broken window in the Speaker’s Lobby. Just as she barrels through, a single shot goes off, and Babbitt falls to the floor—as we now know, mortally wounded.

    Goldberg points out that several lawmakers were visible on the other side of that door. That led him to this stark conclusion—had Babbitt made it through, it would have been “inevitable” that the mob behind her would have followed her. His “normal human instinct” led him to draw a further conclusion.

    Babbitt’s shooting appears to have stopped the forward movement of the crowd. All this happened on a day when the vice president’s life had been threatened, and when police were being savagely beaten elsewhere in the building.

    Could the mob possibly have been stopped without Babbitt’s death? Maybe. Perhaps there was a way to have avoided deadly force. But it’s not clear to me what that way would have been — and it is clear that if Babbitt had gone through that doorway, an out-of-control situation would have deteriorated further.

    Due in part to the likes of Donald Trump, Paul Gosar, and other public and media figures irately demanding it, Capitol Police have not released the officer’s name. At considerable risk to his safety, the officer will reveal his identity for the first time in a Thursday night interview with NBC News’ Lester Holt. Hopefully, we can get a more accurate glimpse of what he saw that day—and finally knock down, once and for all, any talk of Babbitt being a martyr.

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    From HCR's letter of last night:

    Meanwhile, today, House Republicans have been on a media blitz to insist that the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol has no right to examine the phone records of fellow congresspeople. On Tucker Carlson’s show on the Fox News Channel, Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) said, “These telecommunication companies, if they go along with this, they will be shut down. That’s a promise.”

    There is no longer any daylight between the radical fringe like Greene and Republican leadership. Today House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), who had at least one phone call with former president Trump on January 6, put out a statement warning that attempts to investigate the phone data of congresspeople from the January 6 insurrection would “put every American with a phone or a computer in the crosshairs of a surveillance state run by Democrat politicians.” If the companies comply with the committee’s request—which McCarthy mischaracterized as a “Democrat order”—he said, “a Republican majority will not forget.”

    In response, representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) tweeted the legal code: 18 U.S. Code § 1505: “Whoever…by any threatening letter or communication…endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede…the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any…investigation is being had by either House…Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned…

    Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

    Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

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    Just one question; When is Biden finally doing something about ALL the idiots in the GOP? This "circus" has gone on for way too long. When is Pelosi going to wake up out her "winter sleep"? Dem's show some "guts" for a change!! Amen.
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    Ted Lieu is one of my favorites. He gets it. He is a leader I endorse.

    It boils down to consequences or the lack thereof IMO. As news reporting indicates, Kevin McCarthy is trying to avoid consequences for himself and the rest of those involved in the 1/06 attempted Koo-Koo coup. Mccarthy and Greene, are among the acting criminal bosses of the republicans. Simple logic tells me they have something to hide besides the usual sexual scandals involving the whips, chains and candy canes of kinky political clans. There is a degeneration into desperate criminal methods.

    “If these companies comply with the Democrat order to turn over private information, they are in violation of federal law and subject to losing their ability to operate in the United States,” the California Republican said in a statement he posted to Twitter. “If companies still choose to violate federal law, a Republican majority will not forget and will stand with Americans to hold them fully accountable under the law.”...

    Eisen, who was a Democratic adviser for the first Trump impeachment, said McCarthy’s threat could violate House rule 23, which says members “shall behave at all times in a manner that shall reflect creditably on the House.”

    “What can be more discreditable then the leader of the House minority openly shaking down companies to break the law and hide evidence from a legitimate investigation that may implicate him and his colleagues”” Eisen asked in a phone interview. Link

    This political saber rattling communicates the looming possibility of Civil War. As a side note, a sportsman friend told me there is a shortage of ammo at sporting goods outlets. People are stocking up. In some homes, people literally have multiple locked cabinets of weapons ranging from WWII items to modern-day weapons. Personal stockpiling like this has been going on for years. How real is the possibility of civil war? I don't know.

    • Thomas E. Ricks [an American journalist and author who specializes in the military and national security issues.] is a two-time winner of the Pulitzer Prize [who] argued in a 2017 article for Foreign Policy that the current political tensions of the United States could escalate to asymmetric or irregular warfare with the help of increasing radicalization and digital propaganda, and speculated that "the likelihood of a second U.S. civil war in the next five years is between 20 and 40 percent but trending upward significantly." Wiki

    There is little doubt in my mind that the Repuglicans are trying to dismantle our government. Their actions are lessons to dummies who listen to them. Follow the leader right over the cliff. Republican leaders, give the political juniors a full measure of right-wing stupid, a full tankard of the suicidal kool-aid. Let others take the fall while you cower in your bunkers.

    A young man crippled in a car accident, Rep. Madison Cawthorn, N.C., is fueling the fires of division and possible violence.

    [Edit: I don't think this kid knows what he's talking about. Indications are he is a brainwashed automaton of sorts parroting a bunch of right-wing patriotic drivel. This fellow is the best the Republicans can offer? ]

    Rep. Madison Cawthorn calls Jan. 6 rioters 'political prisoners,' warns of 'bloodshed' at GOP event

    Mabinty Quarshie

    WASHINGTON - Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., on Sunday warned there could be "bloodshed" after repeating false election fraud claims.

    He also called the rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 "political hostages" at a GOP event in Franklin, N.C.

    Cawthorn, a freshman, boosted false claims that the election was "stolen" and "rigged" at the Macon County Republican Party event.

    “The things that we are wanting to fight for, it doesn’t matter if our votes don’t count,” Cawthorn said, according to a video that was posted to Twitter from the event.

    "If our election systems continue to be rigged and continued to be stolen then it's going to lead to one place and that's bloodshed," he continued. [all evidence shows the Republicans along with the russians have been the ones sucessfully trying to cheat in elections. Not to mention gerrymandering, my pillow wackadoodle and voter supression. 0 Dem vote rigging anywhere] "And I will tell you, as much as I am willing to defend our liberty at all costs, there's nothing I would dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow American."... [make sure to wear your best kevlar suit and armor plate your wheel chair when you ZOOM-ZOOM into your fake battle with Giant Rambo-Trump flag aflying...psst..bring extra scooter batteries too]

    The main problem is we don’t actually know who all the main political prisoners are,” he said. [Does this make any sense? MAD-IS-ON, your 15 minutes of idiocy are noted]

    "And so if we were to actually be able to go and try and bust them out, and let me tell you, the reason why they're taking these political prisoners is because they're trying to make an example, because they don't want to see the mass protests going on in Washington." [In Edward G. Robinson voice: Yah see.. Were going to bust these mugs out dirty rat coppers, see, yah, can't stop us. We'll scram out you dirty screw, yah Get your heaters ready boys]


    Call their bluff. Hold them accountable, Lock them up. Deport them to Talibanistan...Gitmo just as good.

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    Yes Jason,you see it as it is. In other countries these guys/galls would be in jail already, but not here.

    The Federal Government acts like an "lame duck" and only follows the "paper work" as obedient "paper pushers", while individual States "walk" right over them. It is the weak outdated laws and 1800's structure, which is totally polluted by the partisan "lawyers" and "lobbyists" as well the "rich" and is crumbling as we speak. I just wonder how much longer until this "house of cards" collapses under its own weight. The "churches" and "braindead island idiots" are winning at present, while Biden only gives "speeches" and does nothing else to take control.

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    Good summary Dutch. I know a bit about being a lame duck and championing lost causes. The justice system is so convoluted and compromised you often can't tell up from down, did you win or lose? But if you're poor, the law and punishments are usually clear.

    These republican fools talk like the 01-06 traitors were in the same league as Gandhi or Nelson Mandela.

    Repugs are trying to avoid prosecution. Biden is doing OK and wearing his game face, but I wouldn't be surprised if he retired after 1 term, probably won't. But if so, that means Kamala would have to step up with extraordinary leadership plans/skills. She might be more willing to drop the hammer on crooks than Biden.

    I think being President would be a burden not often worth the trouble...unless your plan is of a republican nature wherein you rape, plunder and self enrich in every way possible while in office. IF the prez is in for the good of the nation, I wish him/her/? luck and success. The old west gunslingers were the target of any gunman wanting the grizzly fame and accolades of taking them down. It's about the same with the president.

    If Dems fart, repugs descend on them like rabid cannibals. Repugs flaunt disrespect, sh*t on civility, make a mockery of truth/fact. Kudos to them for being a pack of slippery, lying, treacherous animals. Cavemen probably had more scruples. Nothing constructive to say. F'em.

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    Far right extremist groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are planning to attend a rally later this month at the U.S. Capitol that is designed to demand “justice” for the hundreds of people who have been charged in connection with January’s insurrection, according to three people familiar with intelligence gathered by federal officials.

    As a result, U.S. Capitol Police have been discussing in recent weeks whether the large perimeter fence that was erected outside the Capitol after January’s riot will need to be put back up, the people said.

    The officials have been discussing security plans that involve reconstructing the fence as well as another plan that does not involve a fence, the people said. They were not authorized to speak publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

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    Hopefully, the Whitehouse and national security forces have been analyzing the first attempted insurrection. They should have developed solutions and fixes for each weakness discovered. Right? That's what any competent security analyst cohort would be doing. Our defenses should be practicing, drilling, and preparing for an attack. Do not underestimate the enemy and these people, the white nationalists, Q and Trumps' holy army of religious zealots who are enemies of the state. They proved their intent the first go around.

    The upside is more of the insurgents and ring leaders can be identified.

    These people don't want justice. The 01-06 players were/are clearly in violation through their attacks on the voting count and Whitehouse personal. They want the affirmation of their "white privilege" to not being prosecuted or held accountable for treasonous and subversive acts. This subversion of democracy by the republicans is a multi-pronged approach involving republican congressmen, white nationalists, Q, the KKK, religious extremists, the SCOTUS and legislation that empowers their subversive agendas. Putin is pleased, Trumps revenge needs are being satisfied. Offer them free horse dewormer to go away.

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    Excellent reply; you see it correctly. But the big question how can this huge "mess" be fixed? I'm afraid that there are way too many elements which are difficult to fix. I would start with taking ''religion" out of governing. But that will not happen, because even our President is "super" religious. Second I would make "binding" laws towards the States, related to their "limits" on a lot of things. Also virtually impossible, because of the "votes" and its "mess" as proven in Arizona.

    Basically only an"fresh" start would work , but you need an revolution to do such.

    So we will likely muddle on, until the "weirdo's" get their way then we can call this country the "Weimar Republic" as Hitler did.

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    Dutch says: But the big question how can this huge "mess" be fixed?

    Rant Warning!!

    As is said in different ways: one step at a time. the journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step. etc.

    I'd be at least temporarily content with frying all the stinking repuglican fish mixed up in 01-06.

    Dutch: I'm afraid that there are way too many elements which are difficult to fix.

    My only control and solutions involve my own behaviors... I can't see the future but the existing situations can give one a strong indication of what's not working. Trump pretended he could fix things and created disasters. He tried to establish tyranny. He put his inexperienced children and unqualified personal lackeys in positions of power. There are literally thousands of people who could have done the jobs competently. Competency is a must! Trump's reign immobilized the nation and made us all look stupid. It instilled confidence and gave credibility to "stupid". I doubt Trump could even operate a "mom and pop" store and have it flourish. Trump lowered the bar in all positive measures and made "disgustingly corrupt" the standard. Sadly, his legacy still haunts us.

    Trump is the embodiment and expression of a non sequitur. Complete nonsense when it comes to governance! Around him sprung all sorts of stupidity, lies, and nonsense with him planting and nurturing seeds of ignorance. Evil leaped from it. Instead of a successful and bountiful garden, he made a worthless, stinking, poisonous weedpatch. Personally, I think he was/is a Russian asset yet to be revealed!

    As you say Dutch we'll "muddle on" as we always have. In time hopefully, we will progress. However, I try to read "The Republic" by Plato on occasion. I'm amazed how the same issues we experience today are almost identical to 400BC. The world has changed, the tech exploded but man is still as he was, entangled and muddling on. It might be partially written in the genes how men behave but we can reason and exist ethically. Our lives are short, we don't have or take the time or have the training to examine and overcome our condition. Religion is supposed to fill this gap but it is like Trump...full of crooked nonsense. Again, like Trump, some think divinity is involved. Please stop these lies. Don't tell me you converse with God or that he/it/? asks you to advise him or act on his behalf. That's a lie, a delusion.

    Some study history and try to calculate better outcomes and avoid human horrors. Most everyone, as a human animal, is concerned with material survival, getting ahead, being successful, comforts, acquiring material goods and bobbles, and...mmm partners...then it ends. Your relatives get to fight over what you leave behind lol...or who has to clean up the messes left behind. Maybe learning what integrity is and attempting to live that life, is the most meaningful and helpful...if you believe life has purpose and or meaning. It may sound preachy but it's true, things/existence here is temporary and the value of many "things" is illusory. I don't know what comes next after the shock of being human, that's the Great Mystery, the Wakan (sounds like walk on). One day I'll know...maybe I'll be and know nothing just as I knew before I arrived on this planet and into this life...but for now, I'm not going quietly.

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    Jake Angeli, the QAnon shaman, is scheduled to strike a plea deal with prosecutors in D.C. sometime today. Since the government has describe him as one of the leaders of the raid, it will be interesting to see what kind of sentence he will get. He has been held in jail in D.C. since January 9.

    picture of the fake shaman has now been deleted ..

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    Jason, again right on. Indeed the behavior on this "island" is indeed like 400 B.C. The "ants" here lost their minds, if they had any. Let's make "abortion" the "headline", instead of the well being of the "kids"after birth. The hospitals are now full of Covid "kids" but that is all right, ask the De Santis or Abbott, but kill the fetus's because they have not yet the means to protest or "vote"; that is even more fun and get the mothers into the crazy house because of it. But yeah the "church weirdo's" love all of this, so then they can stare all day at the "dead sea crolls" full of algae. Yes indeed the "religious right" has become our own Taliban; the only thing what is missing is the "garb" and the barbed wire underwear. And this country calls itself "advanced"? Forget it, it still lives in the stone age, related to the "mindset". It is time that this country comes to their senses.
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    Looks like an "real" American of 400 B.C. why did they not abort him? ( And an Abbott as well DeSantis?) Ridiculing the Indian culture this way shows that the "whities" here have no culture at all; it shows. These things only pop up in countries where they don't have any respect for anything, except "money" and how to "steal" it. Amen
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    Not responding while phony Native pic is on here.
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    Yes Jason you are right; The "whities" here have no respect for anything except themselves. I'm "white" but "created" from all kind of "races", if I look at my ancestry. But yeah this is America and being an"island", then they have no clue about other cultures in the world and the original inhabitants. Go travel or work in other places in the world, then you get "educated " about that the "white" race is not so superior as they think they are.