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Trump's Impeachment Trial: The sequel


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    Do you think Trump will testify on his own behalf (on National TV with 10's of millions watching live)?

    What do you think his legal team's defense argument will be?

    Do you think the senate will convict him?

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    None of the above! It will go out like an"night" candle. ( An old Dutch saying: "Gaat uit als een nacht kaars")

    This "Impeachment" is being done as bad as the first one; the "arguments" will disappear into thin air, because this "action" should have been done while he was still in the saddle.( McConnell "played" his game again) Once "out" then other penalties should be applied then only "you can't run again in 2024" . Unless we want to only promote such, by giving him all the undeserved benefits as is now the case. This whole "circus" is an total farce; he gets of the "hook" and can keep all his stolen money, unless "others" like the Deutsche Bank nails him. I belief that cases such as all the "kickback" money he stole, should be brought before the courts. Whatever Courts can do. Yes, the FBI should get of their lazy asses and investigate all these "Trump deals"and recover or stop these corrupt "deals".

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    Wwjd:

    to answer your questions:

    1 - no

    2 - it is unconstitutional

    3 - no

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    With Trump, it always very difficult to predict, and like a good magician, he rarely reveals himself, unless revealing his intent is to his advantage.

    Case in point, Trump knows that if were to testify himself, it would draw huge TV ratings, rating worth a lifetime of bragging rights. Such a temptation for The Donald who had a media addiction on par with chronic alcoholism, that it would hard for him to turn down despite all the legal reasons reasons that he is likely to do more harm to himself than good. I'd say there is a 95% chance he will testify, but that still leave a 5% chance he will not show up.

    His defense team surely will argue that its unconditional simply so that if he is convicted, they can appeal to the SC. They will also argue that Trump never used specific words such as "attack", "destroy", "Kill", "Hang", etc, so he should not be held accountable for what individuals in the mob said or did; the argument will be Trump invited them to a peaceful rally, and what they they did as a mob was not something he had any influence over nor could control... The legal and rational counter argument is that he picked the day, and told them to march on the capitol building, therefore he did know what was likely to happen once they got there.

    Not enough Republicans will vote to convict, and will use the "Unconstitutional" argument as their reason. To play both sides, they go on to clarify that Donald Trump put his big toe across the line to imply he was a bad boy, but he quickly pulled it back, thus suggesting his involvement is akin to attending a hocky game and cheering on the team to go out and win.

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    As Michael Cohen said, Trump speaks in code:

    "COHEN: That's how he speaks. he doesn't give you questions, he doesn't give you orders. he speaks in code. I understand his code because I've been around him for a decade."

    All those rioters knew what Trump wanted. And they attacked.

    And now, most Republicans also understand what Trump wants. Why in the hell is Kevin McCarthy going to Mar-A-Logo to meet with Trump? Has he been summoned by Trump? Sorry, but I cannot help feel that Trump has leverage over most Republicans, and it goes deeper than just the fear of being primaried in the next election. Look for dirt to start smearing those that vote to convict. McCarthy is probably there to be reminded of what happens when people cross Trump.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    As Michael Cohen said, Trump speaks in code:

    "COHEN: That's how he speaks. he doesn't give you questions, he doesn't give you orders. he speaks in code. I understand his code because I've been around him for a decade."

    All those rioters knew what Trump wanted. And they attacked.

    Trump maybe off twitter, but you can bet he is on the phone constantly working people with both the carrot and stick. And like Michael Cohen stated, he will be using obfuscation to get his point across.

    Trump phone call: "You're a wonderful senator with a great family, I support you 100%. I know you're on my team 100% too because you saw that mob on 1/6 and what they did, and did you hear them chanting "Hang Pence, Hang Pence, Hang Pence" simply because he failed to do right by me. If they are willing to Hang my VP for not supporting me 100% you never know who they might come after next, and who's family members might get hurt too. I wish I could control them, but I am not president anymore, so who knows what they might do to people that are not on my side. Thanks for sticking with me, my supporters will protect you and your family, I will make sure they don't bother you. Be sure to say hi to your lovely wife and daughter for me. I hear your daughter is attending Stanford now and your wife is working at a law firm on 10th street. Nice family, real nice family. "

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    Trump maybe off twitter and a few other social media platforms, but there is nothing stopping him from holding rallies (live on Fox, Live on YouTube, Live on Twitch, etc).

    IMO, his first post-presidency rally will come within 60 days, and the RNC will be funding it. Trump loves rallies, but no way would he ever pay for it out of his pocket. A future rally might be labeled a "Fund Raising Event" where people actually have to pay to see Trump.

    Expect him to dangle the idea that he will run in 2024; He'll want to milk that idea for millions of $$$$, and to put a freeze on any republican from announcing their intention, including Cruz, Grapham, Hawley, who all think they can be the heir apparent to Donald Trump.


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    The Democrats have pledged a speedy trial, possibly as short as a week.

    A few weeks ago, it seemed possible that enough Republicans would vote against him that conviction seemed possible, but most have retreated from that stance.

    The real value of the trial is that it will give the Democrats to enter all his misdeeds into the public record, and also have the general public watch the proceedings on television. The proceedings will have no effect on the rabid Trump supporters, but the more rational members of our society will realize that it makes no sense at all to support the Republican Party.

    Allegedly, the purpose of McCarthy's trip to Mar-A-Lago was to determine how to regain control of the House of Representatives. Since Ms. Greene and Ms. Boebert are probably going to be expelled before the summer, Pelosi and crew are going to retain their majority.

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    • If you are your own lawyer you have a fool for a client.

    Mr. Trump has insisted that the case is “simple” and has told advisers he could argue it himself and save the money on lawyers. (Aides contend he is not seriously contemplating doing so.)

    So, a week before his impeachment trial, Trump parts ways with his lawyers.

    Former President Donald J. Trump has abruptly parted ways with five lawyers handling his impeachment defense, just over a week before the Senate trial is set to begin, people familiar with the situation said on Saturday.

    Mr. Trump had pushed for his defense team to focus on his baseless claim that the election was stolen from him, one person familiar with the situation said.

    Mr. Trump prefers lawyers who are eager to appear on television to say that he never did anything wrong; Mr. Bowers has been noticeably absent in the news media since his hiring was announced.

    Mr. Trump’s lawyers from his impeachment trial last year are not expected to be involved this time.

    Almost all of Mr. Trump’s advisers blame Mr. Giuliani, who encouraged Mr. Trump’s desire to find ways to overturn the election results and to call their legitimacy into question, for the latest impeachment.

    They also blame him in part for Mr. Trump’s first impeachment, which was driven by the former president’s interest in pressuring Ukraine to investigate the Biden family. Mr. Giuliani repeatedly encouraged Mr. Trump to believe baseless allegations related to Mr. Biden’s son, Hunter, and his business activities in Ukraine.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/30/us/politics/trump-butch-bowers-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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    Arizona, Looking at this whole "circus", I bet that he will be "cleared" as usual, because the GOP has no backbone and "vote" as always. Like Mary Trump says he will never give in or stop his tactics. So I wish Pelosi and Schumer lots of luck.

    As long as the "system and our laws" has loopholes of an mile wide forget "justice" for the rich and powerful or the NY mafia. Schumer and Pelosi are afraid of their own shadows as has been proven over time. All the GOP "dirt" and "new dirt" is still in their positions as well the traitor out of W. Virginia ( Manchin). So then the result is obvious.

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    USA Today has recommended that Trump defend himself next week.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/if-all-his-lawyers-quit-trump-should-represent-himself-at-his-senate-impeachment-trial/ar-BB1dicSn?ocid=msedgdhp

    All that I can add to that is this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvZex3Qf7QQ

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    Trump won't be convicted, and he can thank the social media bans (twitter, Facebook, etc) for saving him from himself.

    If he had not been banned, he would have been spewing more of the same old crap for the past two weeks that he might have triggered another riot or motivated an assassination attempt by one of his supporters, thus forcing many Republican senators to convict him.... Don't get me wrong he needed to be banned, and needs to stay banned for life. The bans more-or-less is akin to local bars refusing to serve an out-of control alcoholic bully and all his buddies.

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    This morning, the Washington Post published an article that included the 80 page impeachment brief that was filed with the Senate this morning. A link in the article will allow you to read all 80 pages, which you will be unable to "cut and paste".

    Here's the synopsis:

    House Democrats made their case to convict former president Donald Trump of inciting the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol in a sweeping impeachment brief filed with the Senate on Tuesday, accusing Trump of jeopardizing the foundations of American democracy by whipping his supporters into a “frenzy” for the sole purpose of retaining his hold on the presidency.

    In the brief, the House’s nine impeachment managers made an impassioned case that Trump was “singularly responsible” for the mayhem, accusing him of “a betrayal of historic proportions.” They argued that he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, the threshold for conviction laid out in the Constitution, primarily because he used the powers of his office to advance his personal political interests at the expense of the nation.

    To bolster their case, the managers turned to the words and actions of the country’s founders, citing lofty passages from the Federalist Papers and contrasting Trump’s efforts to stay in office despite his electoral loss with George Washington’s insistence upon relinquishing the presidency after two terms in the interest of preserving democracy.

    Democrats drew a direct line between Trump’s rhetoric and the violence. But Trump’s defense team argued that free-speech protections allowed him to make such allegations without penalty.

    The twin filings offer a preview of how the two sides will present their cases when the Senate trial begins Feb. 9 - a week from today.

    A majority of GOP senators have signaled their plans to acquit Trump. But House Democrats made clear that they intend to force Republicans to contemplate the terror of the Jan. 6 attack, which resulted in the deaths of one Capitol Police officer and four rioters. In addition, two officers, one with the D.C. police, have since died by suicide.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-impeachment-trial-brief/2021/02/02/8eca2f14-6557-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html

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    Disagreements over legal strategy weren't the only reason Donald Trump's defense team collapsed just days before his second impeachment trial, Axios has learned.

    What we're hearing: The notoriously stingy former president and his lead lawyer, Butch Bowers, wrangled over compensation during a series of tense phone calls, sources familiar with their conversations said. The argument came even though Trump has raised over $170 million from the public that could be used on his legal defenses.

    • The two initially agreed Bowers would be paid $250,000 for his individual services, a figure that "delighted" Trump, one of the sources said.
    • However, Trump didn't realize Bowers hadn't included additional expenses — including more lawyers, researchers and other legal fees that would be accrued on the job.
    • He was said to be livid when Bowers came back to him with a total budget of $3 million. Trump called the South Carolina attorney and eventually negotiated him down to $1 million.
    • All of this infuriated Trump and his political team, who think the case will be straightforward, given 45 Republican senators already voted to dismiss the trial on the basis it's unconstitutional to convict a former president on impeachment charges.
    • Trump's political arm also was planning to pay separately for audiovisuals, a rapid-response team and legislative liaison.

    In the end, the money dispute added to frustrations Bowers and the other lawyers felt about whether the former president's claims of election fraud should be central to their arguments.

    • "I think there was some problems getting money for it, but it wasn't [just] that," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who helped Trump secure Bowers and other impeachment lawyers. "Just too many cooks in the kitchen."
    • What they're saying: "These guys are no longer relevant. We have our lawyers in place, we have a solid team, and we're looking ahead," Jason Miller, a senior adviser to Trump, told Axios.

    • Trump announced Sunday that David Schoen and Bruce L. Castor Jr. would be his new representation.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-legal-fees-impeachment-trial-8f6578e6-0662-4aea-8edc-aee2530c5165.html

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Former President Donald J. Trump has abruptly parted ways with five lawyers handling his impeachment defense, just over a week before the Senate trial is set to begin, people familiar with the situation said on Saturday.

    Mr. Trump had pushed for his defense team to focus on his baseless claim that the election was stolen from him, one person familiar with the situation said.

    Mr. Trump prefers lawyers who are eager to appear on television to say that he never did anything wrong; Mr. Bowers has been noticeably absent in the news media since his hiring was announced.

    Mr. Trump’s lawyers from his impeachment trial last year are not expected to be involved this time.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/30/us/politics/trump-butch-bowers-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    Nobody should be surprised because from what I know about these attorneys, they are real, highly skilled\experienced attorneys. They are not disbarred hacks with no ethics that will do anything for Donald Trump.

    I think we all can easily guess what went down to cause them to resign. Trump wanted them to go out and give a political sales pitch (on TV) that the election was stolen from him, and the riot was justified because the mob was trying to take back what was stolen from Trump. TV Pitch: The Real president, Donald Trump, was not breaking the law, he was taking back what belongs to him.

    If they agreed, during the trail they would have to go out onto the senate floor and talk about versious conspiracy theories and break the law if they present false information that knew already to factually untrue. Bottomline, they were not willing to get disbarred later for lying to congress.

    What Trump wanted them to do is extremely typical of how he has historically done business in the past, especially the past 4 years; get others to break the law, be unethical, do the dirty work, do everything it takes to win, for him, so that when the FBI (or whomever) comes with arrest warrants, the FBI is not knocking on his door,