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The 25th. Constitutional Amendment

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  • Dutch
    01-11-2021 12:48:31 PM
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    The story was in the LA times and it gave the exact itinary with an visit to Mc Callum at the border. So hopefully we will find out; of course not as you say on the 6th or the 7th but on today the 11th.

    If so, then I'm absolutely sure that he's there only for the "money" ( likely "billions") and arranges on how he gets these kickbacks from the "border money" and where to sent it; likely to an out of country bank, like Cyprus or in Turkey.

    He's getting nervous to miss out on it, or that the contractor no longer wants to "pay" him due to the present situation.

    Wake up America the "coup" on the 6th is now also used as an diversion tactic; the "news" is only concentrated on the "coup".

    What is the FBI doing? Sound asleep I presume.

  • Dockadams
    01-11-2021 03:10:05 PM
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    Dutch Wrote:

    The story was in the LA times and it gave the exact itinary with an visit to Mc Callum at the border. So hopefully we will find out; of course not as you say on the 6th or the 7th but on today the 11th.

    If so, then I'm absolutely sure that he's there only for the "money" ( likely "billions") and arranges on how he gets these kickbacks from the "border money" and where to sent it; likely to an out of country bank, like Cyprus or in Turkey.

    He's getting nervous to miss out on it, or that the contractor no longer wants to "pay" him due to the present situation.

    Wake up America the "coup" on the 6th is now also used as an diversion tactic; the "news" is only concentrated on the "coup".

    What is the FBI doing? Sound asleep I presume.

    That's exactly what I thought too Dutch, to pick up some money.
  • that guy in AZ
    01-12-2021 09:27:18 AM
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Since Pence is not going to invoke the 25th Amendment, and since Trump is not going to resign, it seems like the only alternative is impeachment - but there is another alternative.

    Censure.

    Censure, a formal congressional condemnation, has been successfully invoked against sitting presidents. While admittedly symbolic, it is what is needed at this moment: an immediate bipartisan judgment that is strong, unequivocal, indelible and undeniable, a clear judgment that Trump’s conduct was a profound betrayal of both his duty and the basic legal rules of our democratic republic. Different courses of action toward this goal are available, but only censure holds any real chance of imminent success.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-kendall-censure-trump-congress/2021/01/10/9bed6330-537f-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html

    Although it is appears likely that the vote on impeachment will happen tomorrow, there is yet another remedy that might actually be more effective.

    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, bars Trump from holding another federal office if he is found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution of the United States.

    House Democrats’ plans to rush through an impeachment of President Trump won’t work, for a simple reason: The Constitution envisions impeachment only as a tool for proceeding against a president while he remains in office.

    The finding could be accomplished by a simple majority vote of both houses, in contrast to the requirement in impeachment proceedings that the Senate vote to convict by a two-thirds majority.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) seems to believe that the only way to disqualify Trump from running for a second term is to gain House support for a second impeachment while he is still in office, even though the Senate trial can’t begin until Jan. 20 or 21. Since impeachment is designed to remove officials from office, the constitutionality of such a trial is problematic. But even if it were legitimate, the trial would come with heavy costs to the country and to the incoming Biden administration.

    First, the trial could well lead to Trump’s acquittal if most Republican senators decide that a vote to convict would damage their reelection chances by alienating their right-wing base.

    Second, having the Senate’s time consumed in holding a trial would delay President-elect Joe Biden’s efforts to secure confirmation of his Cabinet and other nominees

    Third, it would further divide the country at precisely the time Biden is seeking to bring America together.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

  • that guy in AZ
    01-12-2021 09:44:45 AM
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Since Pence is not going to invoke the 25th Amendment, and since Trump is not going to resign, it seems like the only alternative is impeachment - but there is another alternative.

    Censure.

    Censure, a formal congressional condemnation, has been successfully invoked against sitting presidents. While admittedly symbolic, it is what is needed at this moment: an immediate bipartisan judgment that is strong, unequivocal, indelible and undeniable, a clear judgment that Trump’s conduct was a profound betrayal of both his duty and the basic legal rules of our democratic republic. Different courses of action toward this goal are available, but only censure holds any real chance of imminent success.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-kendall-censure-trump-congress/2021/01/10/9bed6330-537f-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html

    Although it is appears likely that the vote on impeachment will happen tomorrow, there is yet another remedy that might actually be more effective.

    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, bars Trump from holding another federal office if he is found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution of the United States.

    House Democrats’ plans to rush through an impeachment of President Trump won’t work, for a simple reason: The Constitution envisions impeachment only as a tool for proceeding against a president while he remains in office.

    The finding could be accomplished by a simple majority vote of both houses, in contrast to the requirement in impeachment proceedings that the Senate vote to convict by a two-thirds majority.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) seems to believe that the only way to disqualify Trump from running for a second term is to gain House support for a second impeachment while he is still in office, even though the Senate trial can’t begin until Jan. 20 or 21. Since impeachment is designed to remove officials from office, the constitutionality of such a trial is problematic. But even if it were legitimate, the trial would come with heavy costs to the country and to the incoming Biden administration.

    First, the trial could well lead to Trump’s acquittal if most Republican senators decide that a vote to convict would damage their reelection chances by alienating their right-wing base.

    Second, having the Senate’s time consumed in holding a trial would delay President-elect Joe Biden’s efforts to secure confirmation of his Cabinet and other nominees

    Third, it would further divide the country at precisely the time Biden is seeking to bring America together.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

  • Dutch
    01-12-2021 12:33:00 PM
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    Arizona, you should know better; none of these things will work and costs lots of time. It is only "talk, talk" in "circles" until or after January 20th. The "legal" paperwork is worthless as I've said so many times. Just don't give him an pension or other priveledges such as secret service protection, healthcare, travel on government equipment or other "handouts" just vote only on that. Let alone let him "collect" from the "border wall". All his "foreign "dealing and "wheeling" should be investigated. I guess they are here too stupid to investigated the "wall" "money kickbacks.

  • Dutch
    01-12-2021 12:48:40 PM
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    Indeed he left "today" to go to the Texas border. Is everyone in this country "sleeping" including the FBI and Pelosi. I'm now absolutely sure, that he's going there to make arrangements for his "kickbacks", also after leaving the W.H. he wants the "millions of dollars" keep flowing into his pockets of his "deal" with the "contractor"

    An absolutely awful stupid country; unbelievable!

  • Schmidt
    01-12-2021 06:05:19 PM
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    The impeachment will be voted on Wednesday and it will pass with some minor Republican support, perhaps 10 - to 20 Republicans. As we are seeing more and more videos of the carnage at the Capitol, more Republicans are getting on board for impeachment. Even Mitch McConnell now says what Trump did was an impeachable offense.

    Yes it is doubtful that 2/3rds of Republicans in the Senate would ever vote to convict Trump, but some Republicans will vote to convict...and not just Mitt Romney.

    The effect of a second impeachment can be a financial disaster for Trump as more and more businesses are disassociating themselves from Trump. Losing the PGA golf tournament is a major blow to his ego. The Trump brand has been badly tarnished. Would not be surprised to see the Trump name removed from hotels because they will be losing money.

    Trump will survive on the money he raised for fighting the election, but soon too that will dry up. Watch what properties go on the market. He's already tried to sell the Washington DC hotel without any takers at the asking price. He had his prized Trump helicopter on the market. He needs cash badly and his only source of money is his 74 million supporters that keep donating.

    Trump will go down in history as a despot and loser.

  • Dutch
    01-13-2021 08:48:27 AM
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    Schmidt "he needs cash badly" as you said, but this dumb ass government let him fly to the "border" to "cash in". His "kickbacks are not "peanuts" it must be at least a "billion" or so, if you look at the total contract he made with the "contractor" he appointed. The FBI should stop "sleeping' about this and other "kickbacks" in Saudia Arabia and Gulf States as well Israel ( Kussner is traveling there to "cash" in at the same time). Where are the "brains"? Why is n't anyone investigating this "robbery"?

    And just for the "fun" Graham travelled with Trump; likely he got "instructions" on how to boycot the impeachment "vote". Talking about "traitors".

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