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President-Elect Biden Should Pardon Donald

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Ruth Marcus, Washington Post, November 27: Should Donald Trump be prosecuted? Proceed with caution.

    Ruth Marcus does not touch the subject of pardoning Trump, but she does point out all the pitfalls of going after a previous president for what people perceive as crimes committed while in office.

    "It’s not an easy call. Anyone who believes it to be simple is not grappling with the implications of taking the unprecedented step of lodging criminal charges against a former president. The United States is not a place, chants notwithstanding, where those in power lock up their political enemies. There is a delicate line between the pursuit of justice and indulging the urge for retribution," Marcus writes.

    "Prosecuting Trump may well be justified, but the consequences of further inflaming an already divided country ought to be sobering. A decision this momentous needs to be made on the merits and kept as far from politics as possible."

    Marcus is not saying to not investigate....only to be cautious: "Prosecutors shouldn’t have a roving commission to comb through all the outrages of the Trump administration in search of a fact pattern that fits the criminal code, and that’s a risk. But where there is enough of a predicate to open a criminal investigation, they should not be hobbled."

    Rather than pardoning Trump, which could lose Democratic Party voters wanting to see him in an orange jump suit, it might be best to leave things alone and let the process play out with the Attorney General and New York prosecutors. Once his precarious financial situation is revealed, and the banks start calling in loans (unless Putin acts as a sugar daddy to buy up his loans), people will begin to realize what a con job he has pulled on them.

    Certainly 74 million Americans voted for Trump, and they won't take kindly to Biden going after him. Somehow they have to come to the idea that Trump is a fraud on their own. They hate Democrats rubbing Trump's misdeeds in their faces. They only dig in deeper.

    Schmidt:

    A column in this morning's New York Times points out the difficulty of prosecuting Trump.

    Here's the main points:

    " The Democrats cannot win. If they push forward, prosecutors may drop the case or narrow it down to nothing in response to adverse judicial rulings. If they get to trial, Mr. Trump and his lawyers will turn the tables on the government and attack it for its partisan motivation.

    Acquittal would be Mr. Trump’s crowning achievement, but even conviction would enhance his political standing with half the country by completing his martyrdom. If the goal of a trial of Donald Trump is to renew American faith in government, the effect will be the opposite.

    Investigations into allegations that Mr. Trump was involved in credit and tax fraud and campaign finance violations before his presidency are another matter. But convictions based on such pre-presidential behavior will not reflect on his presidency nor hold lessons for future presidents.

    And even these investigations run the risk of turning Mr. Trump into one of the last things we want him to be: a martyr."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/03/opinion/trump-prosecution.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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    I guess this country has become the laughing stock of the world. Looking at all the things Trump and his cronies did, he does not deserve an luxury life with all his stolen money and tax evasions as well an fantastic pension from the tax payers who he robbed. Let alone his "killings" of Khashoki , Epstein, Gingsburg and Deutsche bank executive. Furthermore all the "death" by the "virus", due to total incompetence.

    He absolutely should not get an pardon, let alone his family. The turmoil in the Middle East can be blamed on Kussner and Pompeo. Melania did nothing at all for the country, but did love to spent Trumps stolen money. Ivanka is an total lost case and got her clothes line sold by bribing the Chinese.

    If he gets of the "hook" then he will certainly together with his clan members saw the legs from under Biden in no time. Do we really want that? Sorry this guy should be in jail. You can't compare him with other Presidents who got pardons for things which did not affect the country. Trump should never get an pardon; he committed "REAL" crimes against the people here.

    If the "chicken heads" here are afraid that his "cult" will take revenge, it does not matter if we had decent laws here; such should stop them from taking revenge. Regardless of what Biden does; Trump will remain an huge obstacle in this country and will make life impossible for the Democrats; so do something about that. Not the whishy washy mentality ; it will bite this country in the butt.

    People here as well on this site forget that Trump is not ever going to act as previous Presidents did, but stays an extreme danger for this country, even after he has left the W.H. Ask Mary Trump. The "word" to use in this case is being "naive"!

    Do people here think if he gets "pardoned" that he will no longer "obstruct"; yes then you live in an "dreamworld". He will then be able from all his "stolen" money and the support 0f 72 million people "obstruct" even more. Amen.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Donald Trump has almost certainly committed a number of crimes before and during his time as President. There's very little doubt about that. However, President-elect Biden should make pardoning Donald one of his first acts after he is sworn into office.

    I have a feeling a number of people vehemently disagree with me, but hear me out. Charging and prosecuting a former President will consume President-elect Biden's entire Presidency. It would immediately become a sideshow that dwarfs any other thing the new Administration will try to get done. And it's not entirely clear that, even if Donald committed crimes while in office, that a jury would ever convict him. How in the world would you ever find an impartial jury to try one of the most loathed **and loved** men in the world?

    Not just that, but a Presidential pardon would immediately undercut Donald's messaging post-Presidency. It would surely be difficult for Donald and his cult followers to accuse Biden of seeking revenge against Donald if Biden pardons him.

    Additionally, the pardon would only be for Federal crimes, so all the investigations against Donald in New York and other states would be able to go on unencumbered. Do you honestly care if Donald is in state or Federal prison? I sure don't.

    If President-elect Biden wants to have any chance of getting anything done these next four years he would be wise to move on from Donald. A Presidential pardon can do that with one stroke of a pen.

    Yes I do vehemently disagree. When individuals do wrong they should pay the appropriate price. No get out of jail free card. The MAGA brainless will be filled with division and hatred for a long while. It's time to show that every action is something to be accountable for. Simple forgiveness is equal to endorsement of the actions. No way in hell should he be pardoned. I hope Joe lives to be 100 and is vital as he runs for reelection in 2024. If he pardons Trump I will lose too much respect for him to EVER vote for him again. We're all entitled to an opinion and that is mine.
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    TJ Wrote: ... No way in hell should he be pardoned. I hope Joe lives to be 100 and is vital as he runs for reelection in 2024. If he pardons Trump I will lose too much respect for him to EVER vote for him again. We're all entitled to an opinion and that is mine.

    I believe Joe Biden has already commented that he won't consider pardoning Trump. He is been in politics for a very long time and knows the backlash from democrats because of the damage Trump has done to the country, plus Trump will never fade into the background as Nixon did, Trump would use a pardon as a tool for even more corruption. Think of it like this, pardoning a serial killer, who then continues on his killing spree. More rage would be directed at Biden for pardoning him than Trump.

    And how many future pardons should he get? Let say he walks out of the WH on Jan 20th with server full of classified documents that Putin pays Trump 10's of millions. After Trump gets his first pardon (or pardons himself), does he continue to get pardons after he commits addition crimes? ...One aspect about Trump I am pretty certain about is that he will not stop being Trump, and being Trump means that he will use whatever he has at his disposal to make $$$, and won't let laws, ethics, morality, common sense, etc be a roadblock. Selling classified docs is no brainer for him; if he has them, he'll sell them. Good chance a future Republican president will give him a pardon, or pardons as needed, otherwise Trump will tweet them out of office.

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    JD, what liberal media needs to do after Joe is in the fumigated white house is to not give Trump airtime too. What ABC, CBS, and NBC needs to do is put the new administration front and center in their news reporting, and of course, there won't be any more reports of firings by tweeting! We will possibly return to some sense of normal.

    Yes, what the narcissist Trump craves is attention. The mainstream media and cable news needs to quit covering him and his events...no cameras, no reporters, maybe just one shared very junior local pool reporter if something noteworthy happens. And then make no mention of him at all in the news. Fox News might cover him to an extent. Same for Newsmax and OAN, but they just don't have the audience of Fox News.

    Fill the daily news with Biden and Harris. Throw in a little Obama, but ignore Trump, his family and his tweets. He will fade out. Oh and if they have to cover him, put the word "loser" in front of his name, much like he did to "Crooked Hillary" and "Sleepy Joe".

    Okay, that's wishful thinking, but he seems to get more energized the more he's in the news headlines.

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    The more I see and hear about the Trump debacle, the more I get the impression that this country is super naive.

    Sorry but FOX News and others will keep spewing their destructive B.S. and influence the 72 million who voted for him on a daily basis.

    The point I try to make is that the "system" here allows all this "crap"; sorry "free speech" as it is done here creates all this turmoil. On top of that our laws are stuck in the swamp mud of 1800.

    Only an total review and and revamp of our rules and laws may work. Right now the wheels are falling of the old wagon.

    Certainly Trump will stay an royal pain in the ass for an long time to come.

    This country still has an awful lot to learn about "common sense". Where are the "brains"? None to be found in this government; who was the "brain" to invent the huge "gap" of "power transfer of an President, without making an strict "law" of what an "leaving" President can do "only" before leaving office in such "gap" period? I guess this country is unable to do anything "properly" just looking at the "chaos" with the "virus" "management" as well "immigration" and " trade" and "economics" and our "wars" and our "no-laws" for Presidents and the "election mess" etc. etc. Yes this country is now the laughing stock of the world. How can anyone "look" seriously at this country? Putin, XI, Kim are laughing every day about our "total circus". Is there no shame?

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    Dutch Wrote:

    The more I see and hear about the Trump debacle, the more I get the impression that this country is super naive.

    Trump is praying on a demographic that is gullible and\or corrupable. People that blindly follow a corrupt leader because he entertains them. Plus IMO, part of any society is a minority percentage of the population that would be fully comfortable living under a authoritarian government with elections that are 100% manipulated as to who wins (only approved candidates win). Hardcore Trump voters would fully support a complete over throw of the US government and putting him into power indefinitely with 100% authority over everything and everyone. Just like in Germany in the 20s- 1945, a minority group of Germans were perfectly happy with how Hitler was running things, but the majority of Germans saw, and did not like, what was going on; a corrupt and every hateful group held power until outside forces invaded and overthrew the Nazi government.

    Pardoning Trump, IMO, would be like pardoning Hilter if had survived WWII. If Trump had been re-elected, over the next 4 years the COVID-19 death toll would rise to rival the deaths of WWII. Its understood that COVID-19 was not created by Trump, but his incompetence of handling it really would be legally considered "criminal negligence" in a court of law.

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    wwjd. absolutely correct; too bad others on this site don't see it that way; compliments for sure for your view; I hope others see it that way also. The spoiled "kid" won't give up; ask Mary Trump.

    Yes he's using the 200 million which he "collected' to bribe anyone who's in his way. Wake up Democrats "money" talks.

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    JD, what liberal media needs to do after Joe is in the fumigated white house is to not give Trump airtime too. What ABC, CBS, and NBC needs to do is put the new administration front and center in their news reporting, and of course, there won't be any more reports of firings by tweeting! We will possibly return to some sense of normal.

    Yes, what the narcissist Trump craves is attention. The mainstream media and cable news needs to quit covering him and his events...no cameras, no reporters, maybe just one shared very junior local pool reporter if something noteworthy happens. And then make no mention of him at all in the news. Fox News might cover him to an extent. Same for Newsmax and OAN, but they just don't have the audience of Fox News.

    Fill the daily news with Biden and Harris. Throw in a little Obama, but ignore Trump, his family and his tweets. He will fade out. Oh and if they have to cover him, put the word "loser" in front of his name, much like he did to "Crooked Hillary" and "Sleepy Joe".

    Okay, that's wishful thinking, but he seems to get more energized the more he's in the news headlines.

    Schmidt:

    Doug Ducey's phone has a "hail to the chief" ringtone whenever Trump calls.

    Earlier this week, Ducey was in the process of certifying that Biden had won Arizona, and Trump called. To his credit, he ignored the call.

    Like Brian Kemp in Georgia, Ducey is now on Trump's "shit list".

    Since trump craves publicity, the best plan going forward for news agencies is to ignore him completely (you may remember the time that FOX asked him not to call in so frequently.)

    He'll still get coverage on the One America Network, but fewer mentions on CREDIBLE news sources .

    It will drive him crazy.

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    "It will drive him crazy"; Types like Trump surely get upset, but get even more determined to "fight" like his"daddy told him, as well as his niece Mary Trump said. Hitler did not give up either and killed himself. However Trump since he's an "spoiled" brad does not have the guts to do so; Hitler only loved himself but was not in love with "money" as Trump is. Money and power means everything for Trump and he will (and did) kill for it.