Forum Thread

the 2020 Presidential election

Reply to ThreadDisplaying 1 - 15 of 79 1 2 3 4 5 .. 6 Next
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    In October, 1980, I was in the audience in a fancy hotel , where the featured speaker was Louis Rukeyser. At the time, he was the genius on Wall Street.

    At one point, he told the audience that he was going to tell them the names of the stocks that would double in the next year. As he rattled off the names, many people in the audience wrote them down.

    Then he laughed.

    He then reminded the audience that nobody, not even him, could predict what the stock market would do in a year's time.

    Predicting the winner of the 2020 election is a lot like that.

    A while back, the New York Times published an article showing the winner, based on whether states were solid Democrat or Republican, or "leaning" to either party. Based on their analysis, it was impossible for Trump to get more than 220 electoral votes, and it was more likely that Biden would get a landslide in the electoral college.

    That crazy guy in Las Vegas, Wayne Allen Root has a different view.

    "If Florida is representative of battleground states all over the country, Trump is about to win both the Florida popular vote and an electoral landslide. Democrats are panicking in Florida and all over the country."

    " Trafalgar Group, which ran the most accurate state-by-state poll of 2016 by factoring in the "shy Trump voters" (people afraid to tell a stranger on the phone they support Trump), shows Trump taking the lead this week in Florida, Michigan, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

    Rasmussen shows Trump's approval rating at 52%, five points better than former President Barack Obama's at this same time in 2012 when he was heading for reelection victory. (1)

    (MSN paints a different picture. The FiveThirtyEight presidential popularity tracker put Trump's average disapproval rating at 54.3 percent as of Thursday night, and showed his approval rating hovering at just under 43 percent. But when Gallup pollsters surveyed American voters at the same point in October 2012, they found Obama had an approval rating of 50 percent and a disapproval rating of just 45 percent—a 9 point improvement on Trump's position today.

    On Friday, Poll Watch came out with its electoral map, which shows a Trump landslide of 312 electoral votes to 226."

    ( Trump (R) defeated former New York Senator and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D) for the presidency on November 8, 2016. Trump received 304 electoral votes to Clinton’s 227 electoral votes. Clinton won the national popular vote with 48.2% of the vote, while Trump received 46.1% of the vote. If you're good with math, you'll notice that Poll Watch is predicting that Trump will get more electoral college votes than he did in 2016. As my grandpappy used to say, "no f*****g way!")

    "Here's what I know. Here's what my gut instinct says:

    -- Nothing else matters like the poll question "Are you better off than four years ago?" Fifty-six percent of voters in one survey answered yes! That's the highest in modern history. Reagan scored 44%, and he won a 49-state landslide. Trump scored 56%.

    Even more importantly, who exactly are they better off than? Common sense says they're not voting for the guy who made them feel worse (Biden) over the guy who made the feel better (Trump).

    -- I know Florida is the key. If Trump wins Florida, he's in the driver's seat. And based on early-voting numbers, Florida appears to be a smashing Trump win.

    -- Next in importance comes Pennsylvania. What's been happening in Pennsylvania lately? If you haven't noticed, deep-blue, Democrat-controlled Philadelphia is on fire -- rioting, looting, burning and injured cops. I guarantee the rest of Pennsylvania voters have noticed. This will push Trump over the edge in Pennsylvania. Democrats have clearly destroyed Philadelphia. Why would any sane Pennsylvanian voter want them to do the same thing to the entire country?"

    https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2020/11/01/las-vegas-oddsmaker-announces-final-prediction-trump-electoral-landslide-coming-n2579146

    (1) Contrary to what Rasmussen says, Trump' approval rating is NOT 52% . According to RealClearPolitics, his approval rating is actually 43.5%, which is a 8 points worse that Joe Biden. The same article also shows how the candidates do in individual states. Although there are some that could go either way, here is the most important statistic. Of the 11 states that Trump won in 2016, 9 of them now favor Joe Biden, and the reversal is the strongest in Michigan. Texas is the ONLY state where Trump is favored to win again. Ohio is virtually tied.

    https://www.yahoo.com/elections

    Now, let's listen to "the experts", as published in the utterly reliable New York Post (the same paper that just published the Hunter Biden laptop story.)

    "Past presidents’ electoral success with similar ratings has been mixed. Gerald Ford, at 45 percent approval in June of 1976 (when Gallup gauged it less frequently), was defeated that November. Barack Obama, whose approval rating remained in the 40s for almost all of his re-election year before ending at 50 percent, went on to victory.

    “If you look at the approval trend lines in Obama’s and Trump’s first terms, they are actually very similar,” said Helmut Norpoth, a Stony Brook University political science professor who has studied presidential popularity. “Trump’s has been a little lower, but not by much. Obama didn’t get over 50 percent in 2012 until just before the election.”

    " The approval basement-dwellers both lost their re-election bids. George H.W. Bush scored a dismal 34 percent approval in October 1992; Jimmy Carter was at 37 percent in October 1980."

    Norpoth’s own predictive model for presidential elections correctly identifies the winner of 25 out of the last 27 contests — including every race involving an incumbent. The forecast, based on primary results and other indicators of party cohesion, has never been thrown off by pre-election polls or news events.

    The model foresees a 362-electoral-vote Trump victory.

    “I guess this is the election that will really put it to the test,” Norpoth said.

    https://nypost.com/article/trump-approval-ratings-compared-to-obama-presidents-throughout-history/

    My personal prediction?

    Although we would all love to see Trump lose in a landslide in the electoral college, I think the votes will be closer that that, if only because the Republicans are using every chance they can to cheat.

    The October surprise in 2016 was Jim Comey's letter to congress 11 days before the election, which literally gave the victory to Trump.

    In 2020, the October surprise was the first presidential debate. Nobody in their right mind would vote for Trump if they watched his performance that night.

    The answer to the question "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago, the answer is "hell no!"

    To date, 230,000 people have lost their lives to COVID-19, in large part to Trump's incompetence.

    On top of that, the most recent unemployment figures show that 12.6 million people are still out of work. Although the unemployment rate of 7.9% is better than its peak of 14% in April, it does not paint a complete picture.

    The unemployment rate “has a very specific meaning,” said Ernie Tedeschi, a policy economist at Evercore ISI. It only takes into account people who are out of work, available for work, and have actively looked for work in the last four weeks, as well as those on temporary layoff.

    “So that doesn’t include everybody who doesn’t have a job,” he said. “If you left your job because your kids’ school is closed and you’re spending your time helping your kids with remote learning and you’re not looking for a job because of that, you would not be counted as unemployed.”

    The headline unemployment rate also does not include people who have had their work hours reduced because of COVID-19, or those who have been misclassified or undercounted in the official Bureau of Labor Statistics tally, Shierholz said. If you add them in, it’s more than 30 million people.

    https://www.marketplace.org/2020/10/12/how-many-people-are-unemployed-right-now/

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Again an nice long "thread". It shows the real mess this country is in. How in hell can you elect such "mental" patient as Trump, who never had an real job and only learned to burn through millions of dollars provided by his daddy and others. He never even bought an "hot dog" because he still thinks you got to bring your passport to get it. Everything was always done for him and never ever cleaned his own ass, I presume. But yeah the "backwards" uneducated 40% still hangs on him like glue. How is this possible? Yes only here with its "island" hill billy mentality!. At least 65% of the population even has never left this island or was educated properly. It shows. Therefore "elections" don't make sense unless you educate the people here first. They barely know what the government does, and only look to FOX news to get "educated".

    Thus due to the stupidity in this country, then you also get "stupid" results, because all kind of "parasites" jump on it, because they know how gullible the people here are. "Billionaires", churches, political weirdo's etc. all have their fat asses in the "money" pot. Due to having "freedom of speech" then every idiot can launch their garbage on the media etc. Yes this country is like an big circus which is on its last legs. Circus Boltini went bankrupt; this "circus" is also "bankrupt"

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Joseph R. Biden Jr. holds a clear advantage over President Trump across four of the most important presidential swing states, a new poll shows, bolstered by the support of voters who did not participate in the 2016 election and who now appear to be turning out in large numbers to cast their ballots, mainly for the Democrat.

    Mr. Biden, the former vice president, is ahead of Mr. Trump in the Northern battlegrounds of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, as well as in the Sun Belt states of Florida and Arizona, according to a poll of likely voters conducted by The New York Times and Siena College. His strength is most pronounced in Wisconsin, where he has an outright majority of the vote and leads Mr. Trump by 11 points, 52 percent to 41 percent.

    To quote Joe Biden, "If Florida goes blue, it's all over".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/us/politics/biden-trump-poll-florida-pennsylvania-wisconsin.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    The interactive map in today's New York Times shows Biden's advantage in numerous key counties in six key states:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/politics/battleground-states-trump-biden.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    It is not the truth until the fat lady sings. Lots can and will still happen, mark my word. Don't forget that last time Hillary "won" with 3 million votes. The result is known. Sorry this land is the biggest "casino" in the world and every idiot on it loves to corrupt it. The way things are going here with all these rally's does not make any difference; the chaos is going to stay unless drastic changes are being made in the "culture" and "laws". Right now these "cult" members of Trump don't even realize that he's 400 million dollars in "debt" . And they don't even guess where he will obtain such. My certain guess is "from the tax payers"

    Where are the brains here; Biden should have used this argument everyday, but did not.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Never put your trust in polls....there are probably lots of " shy Trump voters " in Michigan, Wisconsin, and especially Pennsylvania. So it's very possible that Trump could win a close popular vote and the electoral college. BTW...I noticed you didn't have anything on Ohio. Usually the candidate who carries that state wins the election. Make no mistake about it Trump can win this thing. And if he gets the popular vote and the electoral college it will confer on him a certain legitimacy. I don't want that to happen, but I won't be shocked if it does.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    In October, 1980, I was in the audience in a fancy hotel , where the featured speaker was Louis Rukeyser. At the time, he was the genius on Wall Street.

    At one point, he told the audience that he was going to tell them the names of the stocks that would double in the next year. As he rattled off the names, many people in the audience wrote them down.

    Then he laughed.

    He then reminded the audience that nobody, not even him, could predict what the stock market would do in a year's time.

    Predicting the winner of the 2020 election is a lot like that.

    A while back, the New York Times published an article showing the winner, based on whether states were solid Democrat or Republican, or "leaning" to either party. Based on their analysis, it was impossible for Trump to get more than 220 electoral votes, and it was more likely that Biden would get a landslide in the electoral college.

    That crazy guy in Las Vegas, Wayne Allen Root has a different view.

    "If Florida is representative of battleground states all over the country, Trump is about to win both the Florida popular vote and an electoral landslide. Democrats are panicking in Florida and all over the country."

    " Trafalgar Group, which ran the most accurate state-by-state poll of 2016 by factoring in the "shy Trump voters" (people afraid to tell a stranger on the phone they support Trump), shows Trump taking the lead this week in Florida, Michigan, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

    Rasmussen shows Trump's approval rating at 52%, five points better than former President Barack Obama's at this same time in 2012 when he was heading for reelection victory. (1)

    (MSN paints a different picture. The FiveThirtyEight presidential popularity tracker put Trump's average disapproval rating at 54.3 percent as of Thursday night, and showed his approval rating hovering at just under 43 percent. But when Gallup pollsters surveyed American voters at the same point in October 2012, they found Obama had an approval rating of 50 percent and a disapproval rating of just 45 percent—a 9 point improvement on Trump's position today.

    On Friday, Poll Watch came out with its electoral map, which shows a Trump landslide of 312 electoral votes to 226."

    ( Trump (R) defeated former New York Senator and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D) for the presidency on November 8, 2016. Trump received 304 electoral votes to Clinton’s 227 electoral votes. Clinton won the national popular vote with 48.2% of the vote, while Trump received 46.1% of the vote. If you're good with math, you'll notice that Poll Watch is predicting that Trump will get more electoral college votes than he did in 2016. As my grandpappy used to say, "no f*****g way!")

    "Here's what I know. Here's what my gut instinct says:

    -- Nothing else matters like the poll question "Are you better off than four years ago?" Fifty-six percent of voters in one survey answered yes! That's the highest in modern history. Reagan scored 44%, and he won a 49-state landslide. Trump scored 56%.

    Even more importantly, who exactly are they better off than? Common sense says they're not voting for the guy who made them feel worse (Biden) over the guy who made the feel better (Trump).

    -- I know Florida is the key. If Trump wins Florida, he's in the driver's seat. And based on early-voting numbers, Florida appears to be a smashing Trump win.

    -- Next in importance comes Pennsylvania. What's been happening in Pennsylvania lately? If you haven't noticed, deep-blue, Democrat-controlled Philadelphia is on fire -- rioting, looting, burning and injured cops. I guarantee the rest of Pennsylvania voters have noticed. This will push Trump over the edge in Pennsylvania. Democrats have clearly destroyed Philadelphia. Why would any sane Pennsylvanian voter want them to do the same thing to the entire country?"

    https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2020/11/01/las-vegas-oddsmaker-announces-final-prediction-trump-electoral-landslide-coming-n2579146

    (1) Contrary to what Rasmussen says, Trump' approval rating is NOT 52% . According to RealClearPolitics, his approval rating is actually 43.5%, which is a 8 points worse that Joe Biden. The same article also shows how the candidates do in individual states. Although there are some that could go either way, here is the most important statistic. Of the 11 states that Trump won in 2016, 9 of them now favor Joe Biden, and the reversal is the strongest in Michigan. Texas is the ONLY state where Trump is favored to win again. Ohio is virtually tied.

    https://www.yahoo.com/elections

    Now, let's listen to "the experts", as published in the utterly reliable New York Post (the same paper that just published the Hunter Biden laptop story.)

    "Past presidents’ electoral success with similar ratings has been mixed. Gerald Ford, at 45 percent approval in June of 1976 (when Gallup gauged it less frequently), was defeated that November. Barack Obama, whose approval rating remained in the 40s for almost all of his re-election year before ending at 50 percent, went on to victory.

    “If you look at the approval trend lines in Obama’s and Trump’s first terms, they are actually very similar,” said Helmut Norpoth, a Stony Brook University political science professor who has studied presidential popularity. “Trump’s has been a little lower, but not by much. Obama didn’t get over 50 percent in 2012 until just before the election.”

    " The approval basement-dwellers both lost their re-election bids. George H.W. Bush scored a dismal 34 percent approval in October 1992; Jimmy Carter was at 37 percent in October 1980."

    Norpoth’s own predictive model for presidential elections correctly identifies the winner of 25 out of the last 27 contests — including every race involving an incumbent. The forecast, based on primary results and other indicators of party cohesion, has never been thrown off by pre-election polls or news events.

    The model foresees a 362-electoral-vote Trump victory.

    “I guess this is the election that will really put it to the test,” Norpoth said.

    https://nypost.com/article/trump-approval-ratings-compared-to-obama-presidents-throughout-history/

    My personal prediction?

    Although we would all love to see Trump lose in a landslide in the electoral college, I think the votes will be closer that that, if only because the Republicans are using every chance they can to cheat.

    The October surprise in 2016 was Jim Comey's letter to congress 11 days before the election, which literally gave the victory to Trump.

    In 2020, the October surprise was the first presidential debate. Nobody in their right mind would vote for Trump if they watched his performance that night.

    The answer to the question "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago, the answer is "hell no!"

    To date, 230,000 people have lost their lives to COVID-19, in large part to Trump's incompetence.

    On top of that, the most recent unemployment figures show that 12.6 million people are still out of work. Although the unemployment rate of 7.9% is better than its peak of 14% in April, it does not paint a complete picture.

    The unemployment rate “has a very specific meaning,” said Ernie Tedeschi, a policy economist at Evercore ISI. It only takes into account people who are out of work, available for work, and have actively looked for work in the last four weeks, as well as those on temporary layoff.

    “So that doesn’t include everybody who doesn’t have a job,” he said. “If you left your job because your kids’ school is closed and you’re spending your time helping your kids with remote learning and you’re not looking for a job because of that, you would not be counted as unemployed.”

    The headline unemployment rate also does not include people who have had their work hours reduced because of COVID-19, or those who have been misclassified or undercounted in the official Bureau of Labor Statistics tally, Shierholz said. If you add them in, it’s more than 30 million people.

    https://www.marketplace.org/2020/10/12/how-many-people-are-unemployed-right-now/

    CORRECTION : I read the post again and you noted Ohio is a dead heat.
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Democrats and Republicans are following every gyration of the last round of polls, looking for reasons for hope and posting anguished observations on Twitter and Facebook.

    What makes everything even more unsettling is that Election Day might not even end with the customary punctuation mark moment, when one candidate concedes and the other declares victory.

    President Trump has made it clear that he will not concede even if he appears to be losing — if, for example, Florida tilts to Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic presidential nominee.

    Speaking to reporters Sunday evening, Mr. Trump vowed to mount a legal challenge in Pennsylvania even before all votes were counted, which could take days as mail-in ballots continue to arrive after the election.

    The president, who has spent months undermining public confidence in the election system, said that he would also probably mount legal challenges in other states, including Nevada, because the governor there is a Democrat.

    Asked to comment on the report in Philadelphia on Sunday, Mr. Biden said, “The president is not going to steal this election.”

    The Texas Supreme Court denied an effort by Republicans to throw out more than 120,000 votes that had been cast at drive-through locations in Harris County, an increasingly Democratic area that includes Houston, the nation’s fourth-largest city.

    Republicans are now hoping for a favorable ruling at the federal level, where a judge has called a hearing for Monday morning.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/02/us/trump-biden-election?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Neither Biden should concede, since there has been so much voter suppression. Also blocking roads so people could not reach polling places is an crime. As well as in Michigan haven open carry of weapons allowed by some idiot judge does not help either. I hope Biden makes an huge list of all of this and defends the "law" (if any law is applicable?)

    Anyway it is getting even worse than any S. American country. If Trump wins, then certainly it was not an"honest" win at all.

    As I've said before all of this is an self inflicted wound; which country ever is so f.......g crazy to elect an "spoiled brat" little kid, who's 400 million dollars in debt and never studied in his life and burned through millions of dollars "given" to him and paid only $750 in personal taxes (for 2 years only) in his life.

    This must be the most stupid country in the world.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Tomorrow is Election day. Things could go in either direction. I remain hopeful but skeptical that 45 will try 30 different ways to steal this. The eyes of our country are on this day.

    Fingers crossed.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Last week, authorities discovered a number of ballots just sitting in a Miami-Dade Post Office.

    A Federal judge just came to the rescue:

    In an Election Day ruling, federal Judge Emmet Sullivan has ordered the U.S. Postal Service to immediately inspect facilities across the country for any mail-in ballots that have potentially been left behind. Amidst nationwide delays in mail service under the Trump-allied Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy, concerns have swirled about whether ballots would be delayed by the Postal Service and subsequently kept out of the final count by election authorities because of arriving after the deadline. By 4:30 P.M. Eastern time on Tuesday, Sullivan demanded an update from the Postal Service to confirm that “no ballots were left behind,” and he said that any ballots that were discovered during the sweeps that he ordered must be “immediately sent out for delivery.”

    https://bipartisanreport.com/2020/11/03/judge-emmet-sullivan-issues-rare-election-day-ruling-to-save-america/

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Trump has to cheat to win. But he also has so many of his "cult" followers that are also ready to cheat for him to win. They probably cannot do it in a big way, but the courts can. So far they have backed Biden, but what happens if Pennsylvania is the final swing state weeks into December after a lot of counting and lawsuits and the Supreme Court ultimately decides just like in 2000. There is a reason Trump rushed Amy Barret onto the court. She is the final swing vote. She will not recuse herself if she is put into that position.
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Trump has to cheat to stay in game. Playing by the laws, The constitution, ethics, and humanity are beyond his abilities at the most basic level; he does not have any of those skills.

    My assessment is the most powerful political leaders in the GOP want to get rid of Trump for all the same reasons that most sane people hate him, and if they can dump him without losing power, they will allow him to lose the election. What they don't want to happen is loose control of the senate. They will make it a SC court fight to save GOP senate races as their motivation to have SC throw the election to Donald Trump. Amy Barret will fall in line with what the GOP leaders want her to do, not what Donald Trump wants her to do. GOP leaders are likely to have her to excuse herself if it strictly about saving Donald Trump, but if they want her to decide senate races in the process, then she will remain part of the SC decision making. She and Brett Kavanaugh know who REALLY got them onto the SC, and it wasn't Donald Trump; he simply nominated Barret and Kavanaugh from a extremely vetted lists of GOP judges that fully understand what is expected of them once they get to the SC. If not loyal to a fault to the GOP, then not on the SC list. The list of GOP Judges that Trump selected from was a stack deck, Trump could have picked any one of of the top 25; they all were GOP Aces.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    We all knew it was going to be close, and the final results won't be in for a few days yet, but the timeline newsfeed from the Boston Globe this morning is encouraging.

    Here's the news at 10:24 last night:

    In a matter of two hours the Electoral College map went from about a dozen interesting states to just four.

    Florida? Looks like Trump. Texas, Iowa, Ohio? Seems like President Trump must like where he stands there, too. Meanwhile, Biden has to like what he sees in New Hampshire, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Maine, though a lot of votes in those states aren’t in.

    This means three things: First, there is no blowout. Second, two states will probably decide the presidency: Pennsylvania and Arizona.

    Sure, other big tossup states have not been called. Georgia and North Carolina seem headed to Trump. Michigan and Wisconsin won’t be called for days, but things appear to be trending well for Biden.

    Added up, this leaves Biden with 259 and Trump to 248, both short of the 270 electoral votes needed to win -- with Arizona and Pennsylvania uncalled. Biden just needs to win Arizona to take it all. Trump needs both states.

    (As of this morning, Trump was leading by 700,000 votes in Pennsylvania - but there were still 1.4 million votes that had not been counted).

    But we won’t have results from Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and Pennsylvania for a few hours or a few days.

    See you in the morning.

    Here is the news feed from 2:54 a.m.

    Democrat Joe Biden has won Arizona and its 11 electoral votes, flipping a critical battleground state that Donald Trump won four years ago and that could help determine which candidate wins the presidency.

    The victory by Biden was a huge blow to Trump’s chances for reelection. Arizona has backed a Democratic presidential candidate only once in the last 72 years.

    Biden’s campaign had focused on Arizona as part of its expanded battleground map through the Sun Belt, citing demographic changes, new residents and realignment away from Republicans among key suburban voters.

    Arizona is among the more than half a dozen states that will help determine which candidate gets the 270 electoral votes to capture the White House.

    Biden’s massive advantage in campaign cash allowed him to put Trump on defense across the country and work to build an unstoppable lead in the Electoral College.

    Incidentally, the first news network to call Arizona for Biden was FOX, which likely REALLY pissed off Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/business/media/fox-news-arizona-trump.html?surface=most-popular&fellback=false&req_id=947391890&algo=bandit-all-surfaces&imp_id=599214054&action=click&module=Most%20Popular&pgtype=Homepage

    ************************************************************

    Trump held a victory party at the White House in the wee hours of the morning - even though he had not won. Not surprisingly, he also is threatening to go to court.

    " With no winner declared in the 2020 presidential race, President Trump appeared in the White House just after 2 a.m. on Wednesday to brazenly claim he had already won the election — and to insist that votes stop being counted even though the ballots of millions of Americans had yet to be tallied.

    Speaking with a mix of defiance, anger and wonder that the election had not yet been called in his favor, the president recounted his standing in an array of battleground states before falsely declaring: “Frankly, we did win this election.”

    No news organizations declared a winner between Mr. Trump and Joseph R. Biden Jr., and a number of closely contested states still had millions of mail-in ballots to count, in part because state and local Republican officials had insisted that they not be counted until Election Day.

    Mr. Trump said, without offering any explanation, that “we’ll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court,” and added: “We want all voting to stop.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/us/politics/election-trump-biden-recap.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

    Fortunately, Biden still has several ways that he can get beyond 270 electoral votes, as explained in the article below.

    “Joe Biden’s path is largely unchanged since he entered this race,” Guy Cecil, the chairman of Priorities USA, a leading Democratic super PAC, said early Wednesday. “There are still at least five competitive states giving him multiple paths to 270. It may take a couple of days to count the votes, and we may need to fight the Trump campaign in court, but Joe Biden remains the favorite.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/us/politics/how-biden-and-trump-can-win.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Last week, authorities discovered a number of ballots just sitting in a Miami-Dade Post Office.

    A Federal judge just came to the rescue:

    In an Election Day ruling, federal Judge Emmet Sullivan has ordered the U.S. Postal Service to immediately inspect facilities across the country for any mail-in ballots that have potentially been left behind. Amidst nationwide delays in mail service under the Trump-allied Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy, concerns have swirled about whether ballots would be delayed by the Postal Service and subsequently kept out of the final count by election authorities because of arriving after the deadline. By 4:30 P.M. Eastern time on Tuesday, Sullivan demanded an update from the Postal Service to confirm that “no ballots were left behind,” and he said that any ballots that were discovered during the sweeps that he ordered must be “immediately sent out for delivery.”

    https://bipartisanreport.com/2020/11/03/judge-emmet-sullivan-issues-rare-election-day-ruling-to-save-america/

    Despite the judge's ruling, DeJoy is refusing to comply, which could open the possibility that he would have to be sued in order to get all those votes counted.