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    Arizona, and you still think that this is an "normal" country? On top of that according to some writers on the site we should pardon Trump and his family and cronies around him? Crazy as hell! Just lets go bravely to church and Jesus will take care of it. What an mentality. Just keep going on this awful track will only hasten the demise of the US as we know it.

    Anyway thinking back to all of this is, we can blame the zillion lawyers here, who refuse to update the Constitution and correct the laws here; it is all "cause and effect" . I guess the 45% who voted for Trump, never ever lived under an "real" dictatorship" but want it, with every means. Why don't we ship them to Siberia so then they can find out what "dictatorship" is all about.

    Sorry Biden likely will find out fast (or not?) how he will get railroaded with every turn, if he leaves things as they are "law" wise. He may not even last 4 years and get an nervous breakdown. La la land for sure.

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    For the last three weeks, Trump and his supporters in the Republican Party have attacked elections officials—including Republicans-- who failed to throw out Democratic ballots to give the election to Trump. The president called Republican Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger an “enemy of the people,” and Trump’s loyalists are intensifying their rhetoric against officials who have persisted in defending the integrity of the election. Right-wing followers on social media called for jail, torture, or execution for a 20-year-old Georgia election technician, falsely alleging he manipulated election data. On NBC’s Today Show, the president’s lawyer Joseph diGenova called for former cybersecurity official Christopher Krebs, whom Trump fired after Krebs stated the election was not marked by fraud but was quite secure, to be “drawn and quartered. Taken out at dawn and shot.”

    Social media accounts from right-wing loyalists are increasingly calling for violence. One user on the conservative media site Parler said that “[We the People] want to kill all of you cheating traitors….” Another called for “Civil war if Biden does steal the election.” These loyalists claim to be waiting for Trump’s “order” to start just such a war.

    Today Gabriel Sterling, a voting systems manager for Republican Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger held a news conference in which he said: “It has all. Gone. Too. Far. It has to stop.” Of the young technician whose life is now in danger, he said, “[t]his kid… just took a job. And it’s just wrong. I can’t begin to explain the level of anger I have right now over this. Every American, every Georgian, Republican or Democrat alike, should have the same level of anger.”

    Sterling attacked Trump for the death threats Georgia officials have been receiving, and chewed out Georgia Republican Senators David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, who both face runoff elections in early January against Democratic challengers Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock, for refusing to shut such language down. “Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language,” he said. “Senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. . . . Stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence…. That shouldn’t be too much to ask for people who ask us to give them responsibility.” Sterling also called out diGenova for his language: “Someone’s going to get hurt,” he said. “Someone’s going to get shot. Someone’s going to get killed.”

    Trump and allies of Don Jr. have been fundraising on the idea that Trump must contest the 2020 election. Trump’s Save America Political Action Committee (PAC) has raised more than $170 million in contributions to overturn the election, but very little of that money goes to the recount effort. It goes primarily to whatever Trump wants—including golf memberships, travel, and salaries-- and to the Republican National Committee.

    Don Jr.’s allies have formed the Save the U.S. Senate PAC. It is nominally about the Georgia run-off Senate elections, but can take in unlimited money from anyone, including corporations, and spend it however it wishes, so long as it doesn’t explicitly coordinate with a political campaign. As Washington Post correspondent Philip Bump puts it: “Trump and his team have figured out a way to parlay his base’s concerns about the election — concerns Trump has been hyping for months — into a well-stocked bank account with few limitations on how it is used.”

    Joseph diGenova, the Trump campaign lawyer who had been a fixture in Washington legal circles for decades, resigned under pressure Tuesday from the elite Gridiron Club after an uproar over his comments suggesting a former government official should be executed.

    DiGenova later said he was joking when he made the comments about Christopher Krebs, the federal cybersecurity official who was fired by President Trump after asserting that the 2020 election was secure and free of widespread voter fraud.

    Still, the White House denounced the statement, Krebs said he would consider legal action — and the 135-year-old Gridiron Club asked diGenova to step down.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2020/12/02/joseph-digenova-gridiron-club/

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    I have not heard anything from Pelosi or Schumer let alone from Schiff. It looks like they all take this in stride and think it will pass. Sorry to say all of this shit could have been prevented if the Dems had "demanded (by law?)" to get Trump's "tax returns" BEFORE the 2016/2020 elections. Just such small mistake has created 4 years of total "shit" and affected just about the whole world. Thus wake up Biden, make immediately "tax returns" mandatory; if not then we get an repeat of Trump. Amen
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    More items from HCR:


    Despite the coronavirus crisis, the Trump administration continues to put its energy into trying to overturn the 2020 election.

    Having won only once, Trump today lost his 49th legal case, when lawyer Sidney Powell, who was recently dismissed from Trump’s campaign legal team, lost yet again in her attempt to get the results of the 2020 election thrown out. In Georgia, Judge Timothy Batten, who was appointed to the bench by President George W. Bush, rejected a lawsuit to overturn Biden’s victory in the state. "They want this court to substitute its judgment for that of 2.5 million Georgia voters who voted for Joe Biden,” Batten said, “and this I am unwilling to do.”

    Nonetheless, tonight we learned that Trump reached out to a third state to try to enlist the support of Republican officials to overturn the election results. The office of the speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, Bryan Cutler, confirmed that the president twice called to try to get Cutler to “fix” what he claimed were “issues” in Philadelphia.

    A health officer for Michigan confirmed that “it is extremely likely that Giuliani was contagious during his testimony” in the statehouse there, and the Michigan House has canceled its Tuesday voting session. In Georgia, where Giuliani testified before a subcommittee, the legislature is not in session. Democratic Georgia Senator Jen Jordan, who attended Thursday’s hearing with Giuliani, tweeted, “Little did I know that most credible death threat that I encountered last week was Trump’s own lawyer…. Giuliani — maskless, in packed hearing room for 7 hours. To say I am livid would be too kind.”

    This weekend, about two dozen armed protesters gathered at the home of Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, chanting “Stop the Steal.” They believe Trump’s false accusations of voter fraud in Michigan and blame Benson for refusing to bow to what they insist is evidence of a rigged election.

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    For the last three weeks, Trump and his supporters in the Republican Party have attacked elections officials—including Republicans-- who failed to throw out Democratic ballots to give the election to Trump. The president called Republican Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger an “enemy of the people,” and Trump’s loyalists are intensifying their rhetoric against officials who have persisted in defending the integrity of the election. Right-wing followers on social media called for jail, torture, or execution for a 20-year-old Georgia election technician, falsely alleging he manipulated election data. On NBC’s Today Show, the president’s lawyer Joseph diGenova called for former cybersecurity official Christopher Krebs, whom Trump fired after Krebs stated the election was not marked by fraud but was quite secure, to be “drawn and quartered. Taken out at dawn and shot.”

    Social media accounts from right-wing loyalists are increasingly calling for violence. One user on the conservative media site Parler said that “[We the People] want to kill all of you cheating traitors….” Another called for “Civil war if Biden does steal the election.” These loyalists claim to be waiting for Trump’s “order” to start just such a war.

    Today Gabriel Sterling, a voting systems manager for Republican Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger held a news conference in which he said: “It has all. Gone. Too. Far. It has to stop.” Of the young technician whose life is now in danger, he said, “[t]his kid… just took a job. And it’s just wrong. I can’t begin to explain the level of anger I have right now over this. Every American, every Georgian, Republican or Democrat alike, should have the same level of anger.”

    Sterling attacked Trump for the death threats Georgia officials have been receiving, and chewed out Georgia Republican Senators David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, who both face runoff elections in early January against Democratic challengers Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock, for refusing to shut such language down. “Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language,” he said. “Senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. . . . Stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence…. That shouldn’t be too much to ask for people who ask us to give them responsibility.” Sterling also called out diGenova for his language: “Someone’s going to get hurt,” he said. “Someone’s going to get shot. Someone’s going to get killed.”

    Trump and allies of Don Jr. have been fundraising on the idea that Trump must contest the 2020 election. Trump’s Save America Political Action Committee (PAC) has raised more than $170 million in contributions to overturn the election, but very little of that money goes to the recount effort. It goes primarily to whatever Trump wants—including golf memberships, travel, and salaries-- and to the Republican National Committee.

    Don Jr.’s allies have formed the Save the U.S. Senate PAC. It is nominally about the Georgia run-off Senate elections, but can take in unlimited money from anyone, including corporations, and spend it however it wishes, so long as it doesn’t explicitly coordinate with a political campaign. As Washington Post correspondent Philip Bump puts it: “Trump and his team have figured out a way to parlay his base’s concerns about the election — concerns Trump has been hyping for months — into a well-stocked bank account with few limitations on how it is used.”

    Trump and allies of Don Jr. have been fundraising on the idea that Trump must contest the 2020 election. Trump’s Save America Political Action Committee (PAC) has raised more than $170 million in contributions to overturn the election, but very little of that money goes to the recount effort. It goes primarily to whatever Trump wants—including golf memberships, travel, and salaries-- and to the Republican National Committee.

    • " There's a sucker born every minute " is a phrase closely associated with P. T. Barnum , an American showman of the mid-19th century, although there is no evidence that he actually said it. Early examples of its use are found among gamblers and confidence tricksters.

    The latest attempt to fleece the faithful is happening in New York.

    When Donald J. Trump’s childhood home in Queens was on the market four years ago, Mr. Trump, then a candidate for president, publicly mused about buying it himself.

    Now, he might not have to: The home’s latest owner is launching a crowdfunding campaign with the goal of giving the five-bedroom Tudor in Jamaica Estates to the president as a giftonce the $3 million price tag is met.

    The unusual real estate maneuver seeks to capitalize on the devotion of some of Mr. Trump’s supporters, in the hopes that the same commitment that has driven them to attend his large rallies in the middle of a pandemic will also induce them to open their wallets. The sellers hope donations might also be fueled by an impulse to mollify Mr. Trump with a personalized parting gift as his presidential term nears its end.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/nyregion/trump-house-queens.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=New%20York

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    Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. And you still think this country is "number one" in the world?; it is now number 900.

    The GOP "cult" members must be absolutely ready for the crazy house, to give Trump this "gift". Laughable for sure.

    Forget this country it has joined Venezuela and others of that "grade" . Under Trump and his "crooks" this country is barely survivable, except for the rich they enjoy more wealth than ever.

    I hope people look at the present situation and "add" things up of what is going on; do you actually think the distribution of the "vaccine" is going to be done "smoothly". It going to be like handing out candy at an "kindergarten". Let alone have any "worldwide cooperation" via the WHO ( because Trump threw us out that organization) So it will be "me, me, me only. Thus expect chaos, because suppliers already made deals with other countries. Like Pfizer did because Trump wanted an "cut".

    Sorry this country has become an pure "mafia" cult under Trump. Enjoy it!

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    Heather Cox Richardson posted a lengthy article yesterday. Although I would recommend reading the entire article, the bottom line is that Trump, and his allies, are involved in a legal scheme that is simply breathtaking in its arrogance.

    Republican attorneys general of seventeen states supported a lawsuit Texas has asked the Supreme Court’s permission to file against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, suing them over their voting processes. A majority of voters in those four states voted for Biden, thus giving him their state’s electoral votes and the presidency. The states that want to sue are all Republican-majority states. They are hoping they can get the Supreme Court to allow them to sue, and that it will then agree with their complaint and throw out the votes from those states so the Republican legislatures there can then choose their own electors and give the win to Trump.

    The states that have declared their support for Texas’s lawsuit are: Missouri, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia. They are essentially asking the Supreme Court to disfranchise the majority in the United States and to let them put their chosen president in the White House. This assault on American principles is breathtaking.

    Legal experts say this case is a non-starter. University of Texas Law Professor Steve Vladeck writes, “It is lacking in actual evidence; it is deeply cynical; it evinces stunning disrespect for both the role of the courts in our constitutional system and of the states in our elections; and it is doomed to fail.”

    Republicans might be stoking attacks on our electoral system because they know the courts will shut them down. After all, Trump’s lawyers are currently 1-51 in court, and it is unlikely the Supreme Court will take up Texas’s lawsuit. So siding with Trump is a cheap way for leaders to avoid alienating his voters when they will want those voters in 2022.

    https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/

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    This morning, Laurie Roberts (of the Arizona Republic) came to exactly the same conclusion that HCR did,

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/12/09/arizona-republicans-still-irate-over-election-being-played/3865661001/

    There is only one reason for Ward to ask voters whether she should take a case twice lost to the United States Supreme Court, and it’s not to get a legal opinion.

    Just as there is only one reason to suggest that the House speaker is blocking righteous Republican attempts to stop “the steal.”

    It’s to keep the base riled up and ready … for 2022.

    It’s about building toward a run for a higher office, probably for secretary of state in Townsend’s case, if I had to guess.

    And Ward? Do I sense another doomed Senate run in the making?

    When will Republicans wise up and see what is happening here?

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    If I see the whole picture of what is happening here, then this country has become an other lost case. How is all of this possible and who is paying for all these lawsuits.? It is getting more nutty than even S. America. My contacts in Europe are astonished at what is happening here. Indeed it will hurt our international standing in an huge way; they will make sure that all "deals" with this country are "solid" and don't trust this country anymore. I bet that they are neither in a hurry to have anyone even make "trade deals" now or in the future with this country. China's eyes are open all the way and are shredding Trump's tariff deals as we speak. Sorry Arizona as you describe and as they did on MSNBC all of these idiots belong in jail; I call it extorsion of the will of the people and therefore should be punished.

    In the meantime whole herds of lawyers are becoming stinking rich from all this B.S.

    Biden will tear his hair out once he's in the saddle; he won't have a "life" in his job. I pity him.

    But yeah Trump gets an very nice pension and can keep all the money he stole as well gets as "farewell present" the house of the "old man" (his Dad) where he used to live in NY. On top of that maybe be he gets "pardoned" including the whole family.

    Yes this is the weirdest country on earth. absolutely NUTS.

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    House Speaker David Ralston said Thursday that he will seek a constitutional amendment for state legislators — not voters — to choose Georgia’s top election official, an attempt to blame Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger for perceived election problems.

    Ralston’s proposal came after a hearing in the state House of Representatives where supporters of Donald Trump made unsubstantiated claims of illegal voting following the president’s loss to Democrat Joe Biden by about 12,000 votes.

    But Ralston’s proposal would face a difficult path, and he lacks the votes to make it a reality without support from Democrats. A constitutional amendment would need to receive two-thirds majorities in both the state House and Senate, followed by majority approval of the state’s voters.

    Raffensperger’s staff called the move “a clear power grab” following a concerted election misinformation effort featuring Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, during the daylong hearing. Both Raffensperger and Ralston are Republicans.

    The strike against Raffensperger is the latest sign of a deep divide among Republicans over how to move forward after Georgia supported a Democratic presidential candidate for the first time in 28 years.

    “Ralston and the Trump campaign want to give the General Assembly the power to select winners of elections and violate the will of the people,” Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs said. Editor's note: That is pure bull.....t

    Gabriel Sterling, the state’s voting system manager, said there’s no truth to allegations of ballot dumps on election night in Fulton County, Chinese interference in elections or vote-flipping on the voting equipment. Three vote counts, by machine and by hand, have verified the accuracy of the result.

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    In blistering language denouncing Republican efforts to subvert the election, the attorneys general for Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to reject a lawsuit that seeks to overturn the victories in those states by President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr., calling the audacious effort an affront to democracy and the rule of law.

    The lawsuit, filed by the Republican attorney general of Texas and backed by his G.O.P. colleagues in 17 other states and 106 Republican members of Congress, represents the most coordinated, politicized attempt to overturn the will of the voters in recent American history. President Trump has asked to intervene in the lawsuit as well in hopes that the Supreme Court will hand him a second term he decisively lost.

    The suit is the latest in a spectacularly unsuccessful legal effort by Mr. Trump and his allies to overturn the results, with cases so lacking in evidence that judges at all levels have mocked or condemned them as without merit. Legal experts have derided this latest suit as well, which makes the audacious claim, at odds with ordinary principles of federalism, that the Supreme Court should investigate and override the election systems of four states at the behest of a fifth.

    The lawsuit was filed by Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general. Mr. Paxton is under indictment in a securities fraud case and facing separate accusations of abusing his office to aid a political donor by several former employees. He has denied the allegations.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/us/trump-election-lawsuit-states.html?surface=most-popular&fellback=false&req_id=829252296&algo=bandit-all-surfaces-30min&variant=3_bandit-all-surfaces-30min_daysback_4&imp_id=687260049&action=click&module=Most%20Popular&pgtype=Homepage

    If you read Paxton's biography, you will notice that he has been on the wrong side of numerous issues:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Paxton

    Republican strategist Steve Schmidt was just on Lawrence O'Donnell's show. It was concise and well spoken. He spoke about the 106 house Republicans signing on with a suit around the closest thing to sedition we've seen since the Civil War. It's based on nothing and it's calling for the nullification of the election.

    The Sedition Act of 1798 was one of the first laws passed in this country. The Sedition Act, permitting the deportation, fine, or imprisonment of anyone deemed a threat or publishing “false, scandalous, or malicious writing” against the government of the United States. The Sedition Act eventually expired on March 3, 1801; however, arguments made for and against it shaped subsequent debate about constitutional protections of free speech.

    https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1700s/The-Sedition-Act-of-1798/

    BuzzFeed News just published the names of the 106 Republicans. Not surprisingly, Jim Jordan, Andy Biggs, Matt Gaetz, Steve King, Debbie Lesko, and Ted Yoho are on the list. Without going through the trouble of comparing lists, I suspect that the House Freedom Caucus has strong representation.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/list-republican-house-members-overturn-election

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    The U.S. Supreme Court rejected a lawsuit filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, asking that the results of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin be thrown out.

    Supreme Court justices rejected the lawsuit backed by President Donald Trump to overturn Joe Biden's election victory.

    Two of the court's conservatives, Justice Samuel Alito and Justice Clarence Thomas, said they would have allowed Texas to sue but would not have blocked the four states from finalizing their election results.

    The court's order was the second this week rebuffing Republican requests that it get involved in the 2020 election outcome. The justices turned away an appeal from Pennsylvania Republicans on Tuesday. The Electoral College meets Monday to formally elect Biden as the next president.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-rejects-texas-suit-challenging-biden-s-victory/ar-BB1bRm9c?ocid=msedgntp

    Rep. Bill Pascrell, a New Jersey Democrat, has issued a new public statement in which he calls on House leaders to block the seating of any members of the incoming House delegation who presently support Donald Trump’s anti-democratic fight against the election results.

    At first blush, that seems like wishful thinking - but there is a valid legal argument for doing do.

    It's called the 14th amendment.

    The text of the 14th Amendment expressly forbids Members of Congress from engaging in rebellion against the United States. Trying to overturn a democratic election and install a dictator seems like a pretty clear example of that.

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    On January 3, McConnell will still have the senate majority, so it's unlikely that any Republican senators will be penalized for their support of the coup.

    The House of Representatives, though, is another matter.

    Can you imagine the howls of protest if Nancy Pelosi did not allow the House Republicans who supported the case to take office?

    The terms of both Senators and Congressman start on January 3, which means that the term of office for the two incumbent Georgia senators expire two days before the runoff election.

    The runoff elections are slated to take place in Georgia on 5 January, 2021.

    If you are considering STATE legislators, the answer is a lot muddier. Although most take office in January, the date could be as early as December 1.

    https://ballotpedia.org/When_state_legislators_assume_office_after_a_general_election

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    Interesting. With the 2008 contested Senate election in Minnesota, Al Franken was not sworn into office until six months after every one else -- on July 7, 2008. Norm Coleman did all kinds of lawsuits which delayed Franken taking office and delayed Obama getting a 60 veto proof vote majority in the Senate until July.

    So if the two Georgia Senate races are close, it is conceivable that the winners might not take office until well into 2021. Until then the seats will be open...98 senators instead of 100. If the apparent winners are the two Democrats, similar lawsuits could delay their taking their rightful Senate seats until the court cases are settled -- maybe as late as July. In the meantime, Mitch McConnell would get to hold the Senate Majority Leader spot at a critical time when Biden is trying to get the Senate to approve his cabinet posts -- 50 Republicans and 48 Democrats until the cases are settled.

    Would McConnell and Republicans resort to such delaying shenanigans again? Am I reading this right?

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    Yes you are correct; the "chaos" decease will continue as we speak. Mc Connell is like an "fox" with dirty tricks and knows how to manipulate the "system". I bet the "issues" by January 20th will be again different than now. Georgia will be now the last obstacle for the Dem's to win; if not McConnell can continue his "reign". Again an self inflicted wound, by given such person way too much power. As I've said so often, fix the system and the "laws"to prevent such.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Interesting. With the 2008 contested Senate election in Minnesota, Al Franken was not sworn into office until six months after every one else -- on July 7, 2008. Norm Coleman did all kinds of lawsuits which delayed Franken taking office and delayed Obama getting a 60 veto proof vote majority in the Senate until July.

    So if the two Georgia Senate races are close, it is conceivable that the winners might not take office until well into 2021. Until then the seats will be open...98 senators instead of 100. If the apparent winners are the two Democrats, similar lawsuits could delay their taking their rightful Senate seats until the court cases are settled -- maybe as late as July. In the meantime, Mitch McConnell would get to hold the Senate Majority Leader spot at a critical time when Biden is trying to get the Senate to approve his cabinet posts -- 50 Republicans and 48 Democrats until the cases are settled.

    Would McConnell and Republicans resort to such delaying shenanigans again? Am I reading this right?

    Yes.