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    Trump had scheduled a "Catholics for Trump" rally in Milwaukee on March 19. The archbishop of Milwaukee has clarified that the rally is neither sponsored by the Catholic Church at a local level nor a national level. On March 12, Tim Murtaugh, director of communications for the president's reelection campaign, tweeted that the rally has been postponed.

    https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2020/03/milwaukee-archbishop-says-catholics-for-trump-rally-not-affiliated-with-church/

    The postponement, of course, did not deter Trump from reaching out to Catholics.

    Here's what I got in my in box this morning:

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    Are you ready for our Catholics for Trump Live Stream?

    President Trump asked us to reach out to some of his TOP supporters because we have an important event coming up and we want YOU to be a part of it.

    Mercedes Schlapp, Matt Schlapp, Mary Matalin, and Father Frank Pavone are hosting our Catholics for Trump Live Stream Event TONIGHT and we want to make sure you have all the information you need to tune in.


    When: TODAY, April 2nd, 2020
    Time: 7:30 PM EDT
    Location: ONLINE
    WATCH NOW >>


    At 7:30 PM EDT, Mercedes Schlapp, Matt Schlapp, Mary Matalin, and Father Frank Pavone will go LIVE to discuss the important role American Patriots, like you, play in our path to VICTORY, and our latest campaign efforts.

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    I decided to check out Fr. Frank Pavone, and this is what I found:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Pavone

    The short version is that this guy is a radical abortion opponent. He is the National Director of Priests for Life (PFL), a private association of the faithful, and serves as the Chairman and Pastoral Director of Rachel's Vineyard, a ministry of Priests for Life. He also is the President of the National Pro-Life Religious Council, an umbrella group of various pro-life Christian denominations, and serves as Pastoral Director of the Silent No More awareness campaign.

    After attending the 1976 March for Life, decided to devote his life to the anti-abortion cause. After graduating as valedictorian of his high school class, he enrolled in the Don Bosco College, a Salesian Major Seminary in Newton, New Jersey, later leaving the Salesian Order and joining the Archdiocese of New York.

    After disputes in New York with Cardinal Edward Egan, Pavone sought and received a transfer to the Diocese of Amarillo, Texas. In 2005 Pavone became a priest of the Diocese of Amarillo, Texas, and serves in anti-abortion ministry with his bishop's permission. Pavone formerly served as a member of the Pontifical Academy for Life.

    In August 2012, after Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan invited President Barack Obama to the annual Al Smith Dinner, Pavone criticized the decision, saying it "amounts to scandal", due to Obama's support of legal abortion.

    The link above provides a lot of detail about the shaky state of PFL finances, but here's something that is even worse:

    On November 7, 2016, Pavone, a member of Donald Trump's 33-member Catholic advisory council, presented a live video in which he appeared with what he claimed was the body of an unclothed aborted fetus and placed it on an altar. Pavone preached for about 45 minutes on the subject of abortion. Negative reactions were widespread. Ed Mechmann, director of public policy for the Archdiocese of New York, said that "A human being has been sacrificed and the altar of God has been desecrated, all for politics. Everyone who respects the dignity of every human person should reject and disavow this atrocity."Bishop Patrick Zurek of the Amarillio, Texas diocese, said the video, was "...against the dignity of human life and is a desecration of the altar, and "is not consistent with the beliefs of the Catholic Church. We believe that no one who is pro-life can exploit a human body for any reason, especially the body of a fetus." The bishop clarified that Priests for Life, which is based in Staten Island, N.Y., is not a Catholic, but a civil institution and therefore not under the diocese's supervision. He added that the diocese was opening an investigation of Pavone "about all these matters."

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    During the 2016 election, Trump got 52% of the Catholic vote, and Hillary got 45%. Since he got 81% of the Evangelical vote, he is trying to narrow the gap between his current deficit to ANY Democratic candidate by winning over more Catholics.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

    We have two relatives who voted for Trump ONLY because of the abortion issue. Since Biden is a lifelong Catholic, and Bernie is a Jew, Biden may be able to do a better job of thwarting Trump's Catholic outreach.

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    Who are the Schlapps?

    Matthew Aaron "Matt" Schlapp (born December 18, 1967) is an American political activist and lobbyist who is chairman of the American Conservative Union, the oldest conservative lobbying organization in the country. He leads the lobbying firm of Cove Strategies.He is also a Fox News political contributor.

    Schlapp was President George W. Bush’s deputy assistant and political director during Bush's first term.He is married to Mercedes Schlapp, who was President Donald Trump's Director of Strategic Communications.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Schlapp

    Mary Matalin is a political strategist who has worked with the Republican Party since the days of Ronald Reagan.

    If you are wondering how Kelly Ann Conway could be married to George Conway, you may be interested to know that Mary Matalin is married to James Carville, further proof that opposites DO attract.

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    The Catholics that we are related to were not bothered by Trump's affairs with Stormy Daniels or Karen McDougal, both of whom received hush money. Trump's affair with McDougal (in 2006 and 2007 lasted close to a year. I've heard rumors that he got her pregnant and paid for her abortion, but there is no way to verify that.

    Trump was registered as a Republican in 1987. In 1999, he switched to the Independence Party of New York. In 2001, he became a Democrat. In 2009, he became a Republican. In 2011, he registered as an Independent. Finally, in 2012, he became a Republican again.

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    It seems that God didn't want to happen.
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    Sick to the bone; Catholics have a lot of murders on their reign and keep acting like an bunch of brainwashed idiots.

    The world would be an better place without them or any "religion' or "cult'. The virus has no "religion" Amen.

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    I know several Catholics who voted for Trump strictly because of the abortion issue.

    However, not all Catholics are enamored with Trump,

    One of them is Mike Boyle.

    Boyle's departure from the Catholic Church is part of a broader trend, as church membership among Catholics has declined sharply in recent decades, especially over the past 10 years. Many who have left, like Boyle, cite their coreligionists' alliance with the MAGA "Make America Great Again" movement as a key factor in their decision.

    H.L. Vogl came from a conservative background and converted enthusiastically to Catholicism as an adult. But in 2016, Vogl was dismayed to see their pastor becoming far more political — and it got worse after Donald Trump was elected president. According to Vogl, their pastor was "explicitly citing Fox News in homilies, preaching on the obligation to respect those in authority in the government, and stoking fear of 'political correctness.' "

    Others have been dismayed by the spectacle of prominent Catholics they once respected embracing Donald Trump's far-right nationalist ideology and substituting it for the traditional teachings of the church. This has been especially distressing for converts to witness, as they watch those who once influenced their conversion veer sharply to the right.

    A recent Gallup report revealed that the United States is becoming less religious in general. The number of citizens who are members of a house of worship has dropped to below 50% for the first time in the 80 years since Gallup started keeping track. And people are not only leaving their church communities; they are cutting ties with institutional religion itself. It is noteworthy that the decline in the past three years has been especially steep.

    Writing for Business Insider, Kelsey Vlamis reported in November 2020 that young people were leaving their churches because of Trump. Vlamis spoke with Michael Wear, once a faith adviser to President Barack Obama, who had talked with many young Christians on college campuses. According to Wear, the "Access Hollywood" tape was a factor for many Christians re-assessing their place in their religious communities.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/parish/support-trump-within-church-has-driven-some-catholics-exits

    Last time that I checked, we are living in a democracy, not a theocracy.

    Not all of the Catholic clergy understands that.

    Amid the growing calls among conservative Catholics to deny President Joe Biden Communion, San Francisco's Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone has released a new letter calling for public figures who support abortion to be barred from the sacrament.

    Like Jimmy Carter, Joe Biden is one of the most devout presidents that we have ever had. To deny him communion is utterly stupid. (I know Trump supporters who say that Trump is the most Biblical president that we have ever had - which is equally stupid).

    The debate over Biden, the nation's second Catholic president, and his support for legal abortion has continued to mount since his election. Last November, the U.S. bishops formed a controversial working group to discuss the matter, which included plans to draft a document on the reception of Communion. The group was later disbanded with plans for the Communion document taken up by the U.S. bishops' doctrine committee.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/pelosis-archbishop-calls-denying-eucharist-public-figures-who-support-abortion

    There are 7 counties in the world that have a theocratic government.

    The Vatican, of course, is one of them, but you would not want to live in the other six.

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-theocratic-governments-today.html

    Although Brunei is not on the list, but Islam is the official religion of the country - with this result:

    Brunei's revised penal code came into force in phases, commencing on 22 April 2014 with offences punishable by fines or imprisonment. The complete code, due for final implementation later, stipulated the death penalty for numerous offenses (both violent and non-violent), such as insult or defamation of Muhammad, insulting any verses of the Quran and Hadith, blasphemy, declaring oneself a prophet or non-Muslim, robbery, rape, adultery, sodomy, extramarital sexual relations for Muslims, and murder. Stoning to death was the specified "method of execution for crimes of a sexual nature". Rupert Colville, spokesperson for the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) declared that, "Application of the death penalty for such a broad range of offences contravenes international law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei

    Crude oil and natural gas production account for about 90% of its GDP. About 167,000 barrels of oil are produced every day, making Brunei the fourth-largest producer of oil in Southeast Asia. It also produces approximately 25.3 million cubic meters (890×106 cu ft) of liquified natural gas per day, making Brunei the ninth-largest gas exporter in the world. Forbes also ranks Brunei as the fifth-richest nation out of 182, based on its petroleum and natural gas fields.

    All that money is very profitable for its leader, the sultan of Brunei - and he is not shy about spending it.

    https://www.therichest.com/cars/15-things-that-the-sultan-of-brunei-has-spent-his-fortune-on/#:~:text=the%20Sultan%20has%20about%207%2C000%20cars%20in%20his,the%20back%20of%20the%20garage%20to%20the%20front.

    The car collection of the 29th Sultan of Brunei is the largest private car collection in the world, consisting of approximately 7,000 cars which have an estimated combined value over $5 Billion USD. Within his collection of cars, the Sultan’s collection of Ferrari F40s, McLaren F1s, and Rolls-Royces are particularly notable due to the rarity of the vehicles and their value.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_collection_of_the_29th_Sultan_of_Brunei

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    It is clear that even the "rich" have no brains; may be only "brains" for gathering wealth. Thus they are so afraid of "death" where they can't hoard their money or earthly goodies, thus they are too stupid that because of religion that they think they can take it with them into their graves. Also they are forgetting that their non-existing "souls' don't have an means to ship all their "goodies" to outer space via Fed-EX. Not even the clothes on their body "flies" with them as far as I know.

    So they may end up naked on Mars without a "body" let alone an Ferrari, if anyone beliefs the church.

    Fantastic, it sure works in this la la land and Brunei to "sell" this kind of B.S. already for Centuries.

    The only result being is that humanity let religion ruin and kill millions by creating plenty of wars because of religion. Amen

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    The National Catholic Reporter (NCR) is a progressive national newspaper in the United States that reports on issues related to the Catholic Church. Based in Kansas City, Missouri, NCR was founded by Robert Hoyt in 1964. Hoyt wanted to bring the professional standards of secular news reporting to the press that covers Catholic news, saying that "if the mayor of a city owned its only newspaper, its citizens will not learn what they need and deserve to know about its affairs". The publication, which operates outside the authority of the Catholic Church, is independently owned and governed by a lay board of directors.[

    NCR has won the "General Excellence" award from the Catholic Press Association in the category of national news publications six times between 2008 and 2014.

    The Catholic Press Association in June 2017 awarded former NCR editor and publisher Tom Fox its highest honor for publishers, the Bishop John England Award.

    So ...

    Even though I have not been inside a Catholic church for at least 5 years, I usually read the National Catholic Reporter because it publishes a lot of well written article.

    The one listed below shows that there is a strong correlation between conservative Catholics and Trump supporters.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/distinctly-catholic/weaponizing-eucharist-bishops-not-biden-cause-scandal

    Here's a few excerpts:

    I do not know what goes through Mr. Biden's mind when he stands in line for Holy Communion. I suspect that the responsibilities of his office awaken in him a humility that is quite astounding, as he carries burdens most of us can only imagine and that he cannot really share with anyone. If he turns to the Mass for solace or comfort or inspiration or grace, thanks be to God.

    In truth, we do not even know how frequently he takes Holy Communion because the press pool is not allowed in the church. On the morning of Biden's inauguration, cameras were permitted at the very beginning of the Mass, to show the assembled political leaders, but the photographers were then escorted out before the Eucharistic canon. The Catholic Mass is never private — the angels are always present! — but Biden has never sought to exploit his attendance for politics. He discusses his religion the way he discusses his parents or his wife, as a necessary part of any effort to explain himself to others.

    I do know this: Whatever is going through his mind is a matter for him and his pastor, and his pastor is not Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, Kansas, who was quoted in last week's AP story explaining why the U.S. bishops' conference should draft a document that makes it clear Biden should not present himself for Communion.

    It seems obvious to me that this rush to draft a document is the ecclesial equivalent of the effort by Republican officials to cast doubt on results of the 2020 election, an effort to delegitimize Biden in the public's mind. This conflation of politics and religion is evident in the fact that a political organization, CatholicVote.org, is one of the principal advocacy groups fomenting this campaign about sacramental discipline.

    In the current political climate, and certainly in the last election, making abortion the determinative issue required winking at racism — and at misogyny, and nativism, and indifference to climate change, and, finally, a fascistic willingness to overturn election results.

    The U.S. bishops' conference has no canonical or practical role to play in this matter. Some of them have drunk their own Kool-Aid and can't bring themselves to accept that Biden is a legitimate president and a more observant Catholic than most. In fact, it drives them crazy, so crazy they will themselves into a profound misunderstanding of basic issues of theology and canon law. By cloaking their essentially political objective in religious garb, these bishops are undermining the faith in ways Joe Biden never will.

    That is the scandal here.

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    Ever seen any religion without an scandal? The human "animal" created all this B.S. and is polluting this whole globe with it, in order to keep our wars going so we can re-built every time again and keep the war industry humming. What would we do without "religion"; probably be "bored" to death. May be we can ship an load of "bibles/korans" to Mars to convert the Marsians. Hallejuja, love this crazy world!!!

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    The conflation of religion and politics has been ongoing for years, but especially so during the Trump years. As I have traveled the USA and listened to talk radio programs, there is little difference between right wing talk radio and Christian talk radio. Now I certainly respect that some Christians like Biden (and my dear mother before she died) practice their respective faiths with honest sincerity, but the hypocrites, especially those like Louie Gohmert live in an alternative religious universe with no regard for the Ten Commandments.

    I think we should tax the churches, and also crack down on those preachers who don't respect the separation of church and state.

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    Schmidt, Europe did have their religious wars, and learned from it (I hope), however this country in that respect still lives in the 15th Century. Just look at the hats and robes and their cathedrals, which don't fit modern times. Religion drives people apart, just like an two party system. It is always them versus "us". It has been like that for centuries and killed millions of people.

    So your last line says it correctly; nowadays churches are an "business" so why not tax them?