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    In 2019, the Government Accountability Office polled four government agencies on what they saw as the biggest threats to American security. The result was 26 threats identified by the Department of Defense, Department of State, Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/these-are-top-26-national-security-threats-facing-america-40412

    #2 on the list if Russia, the country that helped Trump get elected, and China is #1.

    This item was also on the list:

    Infectious diseases. Climate change, and increased global travel, could spread drug-resistant pandemics. Naturally, Trump did exactly the wrong things to counter pandemics, including eliminating the pandemics unit on the National Security Council in May of 2018. In addition, Trump has also sought budget cuts in many other health related areas. Fortunately, Congress was able to thwart his mid-guided ideas.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/

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    I'm afraid that this list will become much longer once the truth comes out about what else the Trump regime neglected.
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    Presently, the greatest threat to America is Trump. He's using his quid pro quo to get governors to appease him before he allows any assistance to flow to states which desperately need help. How's that? I think they call that extortion?
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    The greatest threat will be the people who still vote for Trump; if he stays in the saddle I fear that this country will be so deep in debt that it will look like Germany just after WWII. The dollar will tank for sure; just "printing" does not help, but Mnuchin favors that I guess. Trump absolutely has no idea and only assembled "loyalists" around him without "brains". So this country will slide in the direction of Venezuela or much worse.

    So people, this election is either a bit of an "pause" with Biden (if he makes it), if with Trump the abyss is certainly very close by. Only drastic reforms in "governing, elections, and laws" can help this country, but I fear it is too late because no one has the guts or cares and like to stick to the outdated Constitution without proper updated amendments. Just look at the "impeachment process" then it should be clear that there is no black and white law or system on how such should be done without bribery and grandstanding. Open your eyes people; do you think this is an properly run country?

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    Dutch -- Yes I agree. "The greatest threat will be the people who still vote for Trump."

    We've discussed vetting of candidates many times on this website -- Donald Trump was indeed vetted by many news sources, but for some 63 million voters it just didn't matter. His four bankruptcies and incompetence as a businessman was well vetted, but it didn't matter; his cheating of his workers were well publicized, but it didn't matter; his racist views were recast everywhere, but it didn't matter; his boasting about grabbing women by their private parts was shown again and again on TV, but it didn't matter; his three marriages and cheating on his wives were covered ad infinitum in the tabloids, but it didn't matter. All of what we know and hate about the president now was public knowledge well before the election, but it didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now.

    It doesn't matter how many new rules or laws or mental stability tests you create to check on a person's suitability for president. Trump would not have passed any of them, but those 63 million Americans would have still voted for him. None of it would have mattered.

    It doesn't matter if 10 million Americans die of the coronavirus in the months leading up to the election. It will make headlines everyday until election day, but for those 63 million Americans who voted for him in 2016 it just won't matter. They will say Trump succeeded by holding the deaths to just 10 million.

    Democrats meanwhile will apply every purity test they know to Biden, and it will matter. They will find a reason to go fishing on election day or even vote for Trump rather than the "hated Biden" much the same as they did to the "hated Hillary". Republicans are ruthless when it comes to manufacturing dirt on a candidate and making the message stick. Trump is the master at it...repetition, repetition, repetition. Americans are prone to believe the "big lie" just like their European counterparts of the past.

    I am probably more frustrated than anyone on this website about how/why Americans elected someone like Trump and are prepared to do it again. I shared many articles on this website by psychologists and social scientists to try understand the American psyche. I see clips of a reporter asking a Trump supporter why they support Trump and you get some of the most stupid answers.

    Roughly half of Americans have their act together, but the other half are just plain stupid. Trump knows that and has capitalized on it. If he sounds stupid while talking it's because he is appealing to the stupid.

    That's the bottom line. We have met the enemy and he is us...or at least half of our populace. That's why historically ruthless dictators can take over a country so easily. It is always the people that let them. It's always an emotional appeal absent any critical thinking.

    “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” -- Adolph Hitler

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    Yes, excellent reply! your last line says it all. He's as bad as Hitler, but he killed only an few by now and instead "works" with some awful Jews like Mnuchin and his son in law ; except he did select other group(s) of people to harass. That's about the only difference.

    Like I've said many times the biggest problem in this country is the "island" mentality and lack of proper education especially in the rural area's. Get rid of the "electoral college" that will help.

    The problem with us (Arizona, you and me) is that we all have lots of international experience; indeed about 60% of the people here have been never away from this "island", let alone worked all over the globe. That is an big part of the problem.

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    Well Schmidt, I explained the Trump phenomenon on here in the beginning in 2015 when Trump announced his candidacy. I said he has a unique quality that attracts people to him and for absolutely no explainable reason. You and Dutch totally disagreed with me. Your first response was some article you presented by some credentialed expert was that his authoritarian style attracted a following. But that did not explain his infallibility perceived by his captivated followers. His unexplained compelling attraction the people so affected by him are afflicted with. I explained from the beginning that attacking him does not cost him support or followers. So here we are 5 years later and the strategy against him is showing his failures, lies etc to beat him in the 2020 election. People afflicted by that unexplained compelling attraction which is the clinical definition for charisma are now giving him the highest rating ever. When I said his promise of good paying jobs and make America great again should have been Hillary’s campaign promise I was met with the people are making good money and that America is great. Then I was told that Trump was going backward to a time of many negative policies. Trump wiped out 15 Republican contenders who all attacked Trump’s negatives all the while I was pointing out that attacking him won’t work. Finally on Oct 28 when Hillary was ahead in the polls I said that people were lying to pollsters because they were embarrassed to admit their support for Trump. I said Trump was really ahead and that he could very well win the election. I cited the Bradley effect. Dutch agreed with me that Trump could win. Lately a living wage has been dropped from what is on voters minds and only healthcare is floated as the number one issue. There is going to be an explosion of people in poverty after dealing with Covid-19. If Biden or whoever doesn’t start talking about a living wage then the best reason to campaign to the people will have been lost. Trump only needs a few votes to win. Somebody in charge had better wake up to reality and start campaigning good paying jobs. The rhetoric that there will never be a lot of good manufacturing jobs is self destructive. The only solution is consumerism. The only reason the US is not #1 is the Republicans passed all the laws streamlining the way to wealth for a few while at the same time destroying hope and opportunity for the working class. Forget about Trump and start campaigning “Good Paying Jobs”.
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    Chet, sure I can follow your story. You wrote in another thread things about your life and background; I understand that.

    However there are few people here who think farther than the "surface'; you at least dig a bit deeper than the rest of the country folks who milk the cow and drink their beers. The major problem is the "education" here. Facts of life on this planet are not taught, let alone that there are other ways than "corruption" to earn money.

    Most countryside people have no interest in what Washington does and "why"; they only hear the "soundbites" of FOX news etc. That's why in the major cities mostly Democratic Mayors are appointed because their lives are more "mixed/interacted" with others around them. It also shows that CA has more educated people than somewhere else here. Etc. But due to the electoral college things get skewed in the wrong direction; i.e. Hillary got 1 million more votes but still lost. So as long the system allows the "Trump types" to become President then every idiot can become President as long as the "electoral college" stays in place as well allows Kentucky idiots as McConnell and Rand Paul move to the top. I agree with you that Trump can win, because the uneducated classes in the rural area's like rough talking brutal idiots and bar fights, but don't realize what it takes to be an President for ALL the people. In that respect is Trump "bi-polar" as an chamelion.

    Running an country, then you should be able to please 80% of the population; not just only the uneducated country folks indoctrinated by FOX News.

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    Another threat to this country is religion. Another is right wing religious zealots.
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Chet, sure I can follow your story. You wrote in another thread things about your life and background; I understand that.

    However there are few people here who think farther than the "surface'; you at least dig a bit deeper than the rest of the country folks who milk the cow and drink their beers. The major problem is the "education" here. Facts of life on this planet are not taught, let alone that there are other ways than "corruption" to earn money.

    Most countryside people have no interest in what Washington does and "why"; they only hear the "soundbites" of FOX news etc. That's why in the major cities mostly Democratic Mayors are appointed because their lives are more "mixed/interacted" with others around them. It also shows that CA has more educated people than somewhere else here. Etc. But due to the electoral college things get skewed in the wrong direction; i.e. Hillary got 1 million more votes but still lost. So as long the system allows the "Trump types" to become President then every idiot can become President as long as the "electoral college" stays in place as well allows Kentucky idiots as McConnell and Rand Paul move to the top. I agree with you that Trump can win, because the uneducated classes in the rural area's like rough talking brutal idiots and bar fights, but don't realize what it takes to be an President for ALL the people. In that respect is Trump "bi-polar" as an chamelion.

    Running an country, then you should be able to please 80% of the population; not just only the uneducated country folks indoctrinated by FOX News.

    Dutch, This might help: This is from Weber :

    Ernst Heinrich Weber was a German physician who is considered one of the founders of experimental psychology. He was an influential and important figure in the areas of physiology and psychology during his lifetime and beyond. Wikipedia

    According to Weber, charisma is:

    “…a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which s/he is “set apart” from ordinary people and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These as such are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as divine in origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader.”[1]

    The people that support tRump can’t help it!!!

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    Chet -- We've gone over this before, but once again. The Trump supporters can be broken down into factions.

    First, there is the evangelicals...many of them despise him, but support him because he promised them that Roe v Wade would get overturned and that he would put judges on the Supreme court and lower court that were sympathetic to that view. It has nothing to do with charisma.

    Second, the business types including CEOs and employees supported Trump because of his pro-business, anti-regulation stance. This group always votes Republican no matter who is the candidate. It has nothing to do with charisma.

    Third, there are the gun crazies. They support Trump because he is a big fan of the Second Amendment and the NRA and has promised he'll never take their guns away. It has nothing to do with charisma.

    Fourth, the white nationalists supported Trump because of his stance on immigration and their fear of the "browning of America". "Build the wall" became a rallying point. It has nothing to do with charisma.

    Fifth, he got strong support from the military despite getting a deferment for bone spurs. He did, however, promise to build the military to be bigger and better than ever. It has nothing to do with charisma.

    Finally, he got support from many blue collar working class people not because they somehow related to his rich life style but rather that they hated Hillary Clinton...an "elitist". "Lock her up". It had nothing to do with charisma. Joe Biden is working to get those voters back.

    More generally, there was a feeling of "anti-establishment" running rampant in both the far right and far left. Voters were more sympathetic to an outsider. Hence a Jeb Bush and a Hillary Clinton were not seen as all that different. Both establishment elites. Hence the far left Bernie supporters had no trouble crossing over to the Trump camp, not because they were attracted to his "magnetism", but rather due to their opposition to the establishment candidate.

    Having said that, all presidential elections are close...usually 51-49 or 52-48 in the popular vote. People mostly vote their tribes so if one can expand one's base or peel away a few voters from the other side, or have a 3rd party candidate (e.g. Jill Stein) do it for them, then, the elections in a few key electoral college states can swing either way. Some 77,00 votes in three states separated Clinton from a win.

    How did Clinton lose it? Well as close as the margins were, the "Comey effect" and Russian trolls made much of that difference. Comey especially was a big factor in the closing days.

    It was a perfect storm for Trump.

    We've covered all this before but you keep bringing it up, so I keep repeating myself. Trump has zero charisma. He's an authoritarian bully, a pathological liar, a sociopath, a narcissist and a con artist. And he conned 63 million people to vote for him for the above reasons. And he'll con them again in 2020 because of another cognitive bias factor...they cannot admit they were wrong, and they dig their heels in further every time a Democrat criticizes him.

    My opinion...

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    Schmidt, Your analysis has one glaring fault. None of what you say can explain the blind unwavering loyalty that those afflicted by Trump’s charisma have. And how can you possibly ignore this???

    Ernst Heinrich Weber was a German physician who is considered one of the founders of experimental psychology. He was an influential and important figure in the areas of physiology and psychology during his lifetime and beyond. Wikipedia

    According to Weber, charisma is:

    “…a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which s/he is “set apart” from ordinary people and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These as such are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as divine in origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader.”[1]

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    Schmidt, Your analysis has one glaring fault. None of what you say can explain the blind unwavering loyalty that those afflicted by Trump’s charisma have. And how can you possibly ignore this???

    Ernst Heinrich Weber was a German physician who is considered one of the founders of experimental psychology. He was an influential and important figure in the areas of physiology and psychology during his lifetime and beyond. Wikipedia

    According to Weber, charisma is:

    “…a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which s/he is “set apart” from ordinary people and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These as such are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as divine in origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader.”[1]

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    Dockadams Wrote: Another threat to this country is religion. Another is right wing religious zealots.

    Dock:

    My wife's sister is a devout Catholic. Up until recently, she went to church every Sunday and religious holiday, and she prays the rosary every day.

    Out of the blue, she sent me the email below to me this morning:

    " I received this from a special friend ...

    In three short months, just like He did with the plagues of Egypt, God has taken away everything we worship. God said, "you want to worship athletes, I will shut down the stadiums. You want to worship musicians, I will shut down Civic Centers. You want to worship actors, I will shut down theaters. You want to worship money, I will shut down the economy and collapse the stock market. You don't want to go to church and worship Me, I will make it where you can't go to church"

    "If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

    Maybe we don't need a vaccine, Maybe we need to take this time of isolation from the distractions of the world and have a personal revival where we focus on the ONLY thing in the world that really matters. Jesus."

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    There is no point in sending a response back, so I'll just ignore it for now.

    On a related note , the CEO of My Pillow, Mike Lindell, spoke the other day at the White House coronavirus briefing>

    My Pillow’s Mike Lindell gave Trump a $100,000 donation, so he was allowed to speak at the coronavirus briefing where he claimed that God put Trump in office.

    Lindell said, “God gave us grace on November 8th, 2016 to change the course we were on. God had been taken out of our schools and lives. A nation has turned its back on God. I encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the word. Read our Bibles and spend time with our families. Our president gave us so much hope where just a few short months ago we had the best economy, the lowest unemployment and wages going up. It was amazing. With our great president, vice president, and this administration, and the great people in this country praying daily, we will get through this and get back to a place that is stronger and safer than ever.”

    An alternative Christian view of Trump and the coronavirus is that God is punishing the United States for putting Trump in office. Trump isn’t a blessing from God. From this perspective, he is a curse.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/30/my-pillow-ceo-says-god-put-trump-in-the-white-house-at-coronavirus-briefing.html

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    Lindell was born on June 28, 1961, in Mankato, Minnesota, and was raised in Chaska and Carver, Minnesota.

    Prior to inventing MyPillow, Lindell launched and operated a number of small businesses including carpet cleaning, lunch wagons, and a few bars and restaurants in Carver County, Minnesota. In the 1980s and 1990s, Lindell became addicted to cocaine, crack cocaine, and alcohol. His addiction loomed so large, that his house would be foreclosed and his wife filed for divorce. Lindell stated that he achieved sobriety through prayer in 2009, and since then, he has been clean.

    Lindell invented the MyPillow pillow in 2004 and grew the business into a major Minnesota manufacturing company.

    In March 2017, Lindell produced The Mike Lindell Story: An American Dream, a documentary about Lindell overcoming drug addiction and building a multi-million-dollar business. The documentary was shot in Minneapolis, Minnesota at the Pantages Theatre.

    On August 21, 2019, Lindell was presented with an honorary Doctor of Business from Liberty University

    So, I understand that Mr. Lindell "got religion" and got cured, but what religious people fail to understand is that not everyone agrees that religion is the answer to their problems.

    For perspective, consider what Hunter S. Thompson once said:

    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

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    Yeah, sorry but the real "god" things are the "virus" microbes they are the "boss" not anything floating on Mars or an human donkey herding "Jesus (turned to "dust") stories, written by "humans" and not written ever by any "deceases". An real "clown show" for sure. Just for the record, nothing in space including the trillions of stars up there cares about this planet or the microbes called humans on it.

    We are on our own and have to battle this virus ourselves and hopefully win until the next one pops up; that's life, get used to it.

    Mammoths disappeared the same way, humanity may be as well . No one knows when and how. There always may be survivors which may create again an diverse type of life; hopefully without bibles and nutty governments. The universe will go on and on as usual, regardless of "humans"; they are expendable.

    Yes the truth hurts.