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    Dock:

    There are plenty of states (20) that are worse off than Wisconsin.

    Right now, Alaska has the highest unemployment rate, at 6%. Arizona is 1% worse than Wisconsin, at 4.5%.

    https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

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    For the old timers out there, let's go back to 1979:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1T71PGd-J0

    Here is the updated version:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIi9N_tcNt0

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    Me & wife went to grocery store yesterday, we had Walgreens facemasks on and vinyl gloves on, we bought apples, bananas, and a few other items, a crappy frozen pizza, the store was like a zoo, people seemly didn't care about distancing themselves at all, but I made sure we didn't get close to anyone.

    About surfaces getting infected, plastics-24 to 48 hours, I saw an old man handling quite a bit of the day old bakery goods on a rack, which really bothered me. When we selected items we purchased, I eyeballed the items and picked them from the shelf or rack, and didn't paw over multiple items on display. It's quite disturbing to see people pawing over items instead of picking up one item that they want to buy.

    I wished people would change the way they physically shop for stuff they need instead of picking up stuff they don't intend to buy. Kinda pisses me off to see this going on.

    Wisconsin UE claims top 101,000 in 9 days, a record.

    jsonline.com/story/money/business/2020/...

    Dock:

    As it turns out, grocery stores are actually dangerous places to be right now, especially for grocery store workers.

    Except now, not even grocery stores can keep up the facade of normalcy. As many health experts have feared, last week, reports began to trickle in of grocery-store workers coming down with COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. A Trader Joe’s employee in Seattle tested positive. So did a King Soopers employee in Denver, along with two Fred Meyer employees: one in Monroe, Washington, and one in Portland, Oregon. A worker at the Columbus Circle and Bryant Park Whole Foods locations in New York, through which thousands of people filter every day, tested positive as well.

    Coughing humans, meanwhile, can be harder to escape. This is a manageable risk for shoppers who can go to the store at odd hours and use the self-checkout. But at a high risk of infection are the cashiers themselves, who stand just a few feet from hundreds of customers a day.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/grocery-stores-are-the-coronavirus-tipping-point/ar-BB11DZiC?ocid=spartandhp

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    If Donald insists on easing social distancing restrictions too early then he will have the blood of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American citizens on his hands.

    As we have discussed, and been pointed out by experts, Trump struggles with basic empathy towards even those who are closest to him. Thus he is not truly interested in saving lives other than his own. If on a sinking ship, as Captain he would be first in a lifeboat. He does not see it as being a coward, he sees it as being the most important person on the ship, thus obviously and logically should be saved first.

    As as the coronavirus spreads, he will quickly get bored and frustrated with it. Watch, by early to mid April he will start to showing signs of being disinterested in it unless he can find a political angle or financial angle that benefits him personally.

    The only way to motivate Trump to be truly helpful is to make it about him, he simply is not interested in the well being of others. He is a user of people, and such personality types are pathological.

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    jaredsxtn, I wish you would do one of your analytical charts of the extreme/contradictorial positions Trump has put forward on Covid-19. I think looking at that would show a person that has lost their mind. Might even shake some of the tRumpers loose from his control.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: jaredsxtn, I wish you would do one of your analytical charts of the extreme/contradictorial positions Trump has put forward on Covid-19. I think looking at that would show a person that has lost their mind. Might even shake some of the tRumpers loose from his control.

    Chet:

    Biden's ad does a good job of doing exactly that:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929909/-Joe-Biden-Releases-Blistering-He-Knew-Digital-Ad-Hitting-Trump-For-F-ing-Up-Coronavirus-Response

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    The weird thing is that Trump's approval rates are soaring. This must be an absolute dumb country. He wants to fill the churches to the brim, while even the Pope has stopped mass on Easter. The guy is an dumb lunatic and is only busy to make sure he's re-elected; he does not care about dead people; his sole interest is only if he can rip off this country for personal gain. But yeah, I'm afraid he may still win again because the dumb crowds here love the theatrics and bullshit. Shaking my old tired head.
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    This morning brought some encouraging news.

    The Senate has apparently finalized most of the details on the aid package, which will now total close to $2 trillion.

    If appears that there will be a one time cash payment to each adult of $1200, money for state and local governments, $350 billion to small businesses, extended unemployment benefits, and some aid to larger businesses.

    Chuck Schumer managed to get in a provision that NO bailout money goes to businesses connected to Trump, Pence, or any other top government official. In addition, the $500 billion package to larger businesses will NOT be a secret list, but will have an inspector general to oversee the disbursements.

    One industry that has been especially hard is the hotel industry.

    One of the largest hotels in Chicago, the Hilton, has been shuttered.

    In Arizona, 40% of the 200,000 jobs in the hotel industry could be lost. Across the country, there are 8.3 million jobs in the industry, accounting for $395 billion in wages and salaries.

    All the major networks (except FOX) cut away from Trump's latest press conference when he started to stray into his usual pattern of mid-information because the networks "did not see any value" in broadcasting Trump's statements.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-critics-say-networks-should-stop-airing-coronavirus-briefings-2020-3?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sf-insider-main&utm_source=facebook.com%28S%29&fbclid=IwAR3NKsIT3hzlxSAhJLWlQPLpIB6_Sl7BDeG2aOOFA9bwefZjyjJ5_ux7VqQ

    According to Al Jazeera, final details will be made available later on today.

    It aims to cushion the economic blow from a pandemic that has killed more than 660 people in the US and sickened more than 50,000, shuttered thousands of businesses, thrown millions out of work and led states to order 100 million people - nearly a third of the population - to stay at home.

    The money at stake in the stimulus legislation exceeds what the US government spends on national defense, scientific research, highway construction and other discretionary programs

    https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/senate-white-house-agree-2-trillion-stimulus-plan-200325053905901.html

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    Trump Tweet today:

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump.

    "The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!"

    Then there is this from NBC News:

    Louisiana pastor defies order against large gatherings, draws over 1,000 people to services

    The pastor, Tony Spell of Life Tabernacle Church in Baton Rouge, said he does not believe his congregation is at risk of getting COVID-19. "It’s not a concern," Spell told the outlet. "The virus, we believe, is politically motivated. We hold our religious rights dear and we are going to assemble no matter what someone says."

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The pastor, Tony Spell of Life Tabernacle Church in Baton Rouge, said he does not believe his congregation is at risk of getting COVID-19. "It’s not a concern," Spell told the outlet. "The virus, we believe, is politically motivated. We hold our religious rights dear and we are going to assemble no matter what someone says."

    At best Trump won't comment on such actions, but we know Trump, at some point he won't be able to hold his breath any longer, and will tweet his support of local and national leaders who defy common sense and decide do support large social gathering, especially if they begin to believe the right wing conspiracies that its a liberal hoax (ie it just the flu). Its not going to take more than a couple of more weeks before Trump comes totally unglued and makes the all healthcare decisions based on what is politically good for him and\or bad for those who disagree with him. He loves to spin, and its truly is hard for him to talk hard honest reality.

    Trumpism: "Why limit myself to the truth, when I have unrestricted options of telling people false information they want to hear"

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    Good Fox News, Trump is predicting the worst we'll be over by Easter Sunday.

    Cartoon Trump: "Handling the COVID-19 thing is like running a company. In a company like Trump Inc, a good CEO always fires the bottom 10% each year to clean out losers who can't get the job done. With the COVID-19, we're just getting rid of the bottom 10% that are already sick, or living on welfare, or simply not caring their weight. These people are causing healthcare cost to rise and need die sooner rather than later. With COVID-19, we're just being efficient to make room for people worth saving, you know, people making $1 million a year or more"

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    This morning on CNBC there was an half hour session with an expert ("Jones") who predicted the worst is still to come and acts like an boomerang. If Trump wants to do what he wants by Easter, then the backlash will be terrible. He also predicted that the Italian disaster is waiting around the corner and will play out worse here because Italy at least did what they could do, but here the States all have different idea's, which may make things worse because an "virus" does not know "borders".

    Especially in FL things may get worse because we have now an Trump ass kisser who takes no action on anything.

    If Trump thinks he can "fix" this just like all his bankrupt deals, then forget this country; the aftershock will be not so "tremendous" I believe.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Trump Tweet today:

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump.

    "The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!"

    Then there is this from NBC News:

    Louisiana pastor defies order against large gatherings, draws over 1,000 people to services

    The pastor, Tony Spell of Life Tabernacle Church in Baton Rouge, said he does not believe his congregation is at risk of getting COVID-19. "It’s not a concern," Spell told the outlet. "The virus, we believe, is politically motivated. We hold our religious rights dear and we are going to assemble no matter what someone says."

    Due to their rigid religious beliefs, red states are going to suffer higher death rates than the blue states.

    Here's some examples:

    Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves is barring communities from giving shutdown orders and instituting social distancing policies that restrict gatherings, preferring to rely on prayer instead of listening to scientists.

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis refuses to close the state’s beaches, nor will he issue stay-at-home orders.

    (This morning, Chicago close all its parks, trails, and beaches).

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-chicago-lakefront-parks-closed-20200326-zdqpr2p3vfhqdoucu4hqcrtepa-story.html?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=onesignal

    Of course, that means public health disasters are on the horizon for these states, both of which voted for Trump in 2016. And as Silver explained on Twitter, Trump states are already seeing more cases and faster spread of the virus than blue states.

    https://politicaltribune.org/covid-19-cases-seem-to-be-soaring-in-states-that-voted-for-trump-as-compared-to-blue-states/

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    We're all familiar with Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick's statement about the elderly:

    Dan Patrick, Texas’ Republican lieutenant governor, on Monday night suggested that he and other grandparents would be willing to risk their health and even lives in order for the United States to “get back to work” amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    “Those of us who are 70 plus, we’ll take care of ourselves. But don’t sacrifice the country,” Patrick said on Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”

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    This morning, I stumbled on an article in the conservative publication PJ Media (now owned by Salem Publications) that attempts to justify that position;

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/should-old-people-be-willing-to-die-to-protect-the-economy/

    Somehow, the author seems to think that if we do everything possible to defeat the disease, our economy will be destroyed, which ignores the fact that China and South Korea went through massive containment efforts to limit the virus, improved the recovery rate substantially, and did not destroy their economies.

    In contrast, Trump's administration literally did nothing for two months, and the number of people filing for unemployment compensation just hit 3.3 million, a record number.

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    Sacrificing some people for the common good is not just the opinion of some of today's Republicans, it was also the philosophy of the Nazis, and Jews were not the only group targeted:

    https://www.socialstudies.org/sites/default/files/publications/se/5906/590606.html

    Part of that mindset was the T4 program. It was framed as a euthanasia program—to kill incurably ill, physically or mentally disabled, emotionally distraught, and elderly people. Adolf Hitler initiated the program in 1939, and, while it was officially discontinued in 1941, killings continued covertly until the military defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945.

    https://www.britannica.com/event/T4-Program

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    Tucson's first COVID-19 fatality was a 54 year old woman.

    When she started to develop a fever on March 15, Anderson immediately made an appointment with her doctor. Her family said she wasn’t experiencing any cough or shortness of breath at this point.

    On March 19, her doctor ran the flu and strep tests that came back negative, and did a chest X-ray. The next day, the radiology report showed that Anderson had pneumonia. Her doctor was concerned that the infection patterns on her lungs were consistent with coronavirus.

    She was tested for COVID-19 on Friday, March 20.

    (Due to Trump's incompetence, we are woefully short of testing kits, and Trump actually TURNED DOWN testing kits from WHO)

    On Monday morning, Anderson received a call from her doctor saying that her coronavirus test was positive and that she should go to the emergency room right away. By now, she was having more trouble breathing.

    An hour later, she was dead.

    Think about the timeline here.

    In less that a week from the time that she first experienced a fever, a healthy 54 year old woman was dead.

    Although no one else in the family has developed any symptoms, the woman’s children and husband are now under quarantine and must stay that way for at least 14 days after her death.

    THAT'S why social distancing is so important.

    (As the Washington Post states this morning, "social distancing won't last forever, but ending it by Easter will kill people". )

    https://tucson.com/news/local/family-of-tucson-s-first-fatal-covid--case-i/article_30c6e9de-217d-5bbe-b611-f59f1be05ff3.html#tracking-source=home-top-story