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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    At the end of May, the United States hit 100,000 deaths, four months after the very first case in Washington State.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52821090

    Yesterday, we passed another milestone, as the total hit 150,000. If we continue at that same pace, there will be 200,000 deaths a week before the November 3 election.

    At the end of March, Trump said that if we kept the COVID19 deaths to 100,000, he's be "doing a good job". However, at that time period, he extended America’s national shutdown for a month, bowing to public health experts, and scientific reality, and warning that the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job

    When I posted the above paragraph at the end of July, I predicted that the death toll would hit 200,000 a week before the election. I did not realize that I was being optimistic.

    The CDC is now saying there would be 211,000 by the end of September, and could hit 400,000 by the end of the year if mask use started to wane.

    https://azdailysun.com/news/national/morning-virus-roundup-model-predicts-us-deaths-could-surpass-400-000-this-year-if-mask/article_26750d97-a3bd-5b2c-8a41-a918afcd8ee5.html

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    I guess Trump and his family and cronies do not care, it will go away by itself. He's now totally on another "subject" and made sure the CDC and FDA are made "useless"; let's have huge "rally's without masks or keeping distance from each other, that is so much more fun. My guess is that those numbers will be in reality much higher because Trump loves to meddle with numbers as well tinkers with the unemployment numbers. So I expect an huge "second wave" because all the "guard rails" are gone. It starts looking like any fake "banana republic" right now. Nothing is "believable" anymore.
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    As another person mentioned, there was a story recently that suggested we could be at or above 400,000 by the end of the year. 180,000 at the beginning of the 9th month so 220,000 in the next 3 months. A second wave or an ugly continuation of the first wave. Politics should have never been a factor but incompetent and self-serving leadership is not good leadership.

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    Unrelated but after the controversy over the horrific statements about veterans (by Our draft dodging leader - DT) as detailed by the Atlantic, many many families posted proud tributes to their beloved veteran family members on social media. Many were shared by the President Obama coalition. That was very smart. Don't trample on what people are proud of.

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    • The coronavirus continues to spread out of control as schools across the country try to reopen
    • 40 million Americans are at risk of being forced out of their homes from the economic collapse
    • Evictions are already underway in huge numbers in some areas of the country

    And finally—finally!—Mitch McConnell is bringing the Senate back to Washington for work, nearly a month after he walked away from coronavirus relief talks with Democrats.

    The first item on the Senate's agenda next week? Confirming more Trump judges.

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    According to an online news headline, those who attended to Sturgis rally, about 250,000 new covid cases came out of it. Aren't people being stupid?
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    Guy, Does not that makes you puke? Looking at the real "picture" at the moment, then I'm ready to leave; however overseas they also have not their act together.
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    Right now who cares? Certainly not our "great" leader. The "virus" luckily has no leader but just is very good at finding "victims".
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    Joe Biden has created a war-cabinet-in-waiting on the coronavirus pandemic, with major figures from the Obama, Clinton and George H.W. Bush administrations drafting plans for distributing vaccines and personal protective gear, dramatically ramping up testing, reopening schools and addressing health-care disparities.

    The effort began six months ago when the campaign consulted David Kessler, a former Food and Drug Administration commissioner under Presidents Bush and Bill Clinton, and Vivek H. Murthy, surgeon general under President Barack Obama, on how to run a presidential campaign during a pandemic.

    Biden has laid out a far more muscular federal approach than has President Trump, whose “failures of judgment” and “repeated rejection of science” the Democrat first pilloried in a Jan. 27 op-ed about the crisis. Biden has said that he would urge state and local leaders to implement mask mandates if they are still needed, create a panel on the model of President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s War Production Board to boost testing, and lay out detailed plans to distribute vaccines to 330 million people after they are greenlighted as safe and effective.

    “Americans have seen President Trump out front and leading the nation in the fight against coronavirus . . . while Joe Biden has been behind the curve and fearmongering to discredit the president,” said Trump campaign spokeswoman Samantha Zager.

    The Biden campaign said the virus’s toll speaks for itself.

    The single most important thing a President Biden must do would be to get buy-in for a new strategy from governors and mayors, as well as from the American people, said Leana Wen, an emergency physician and public health professor at George Washington University who was previously Baltimore’s health commissioner and is not part of the campaign.

    Biden needs to be “the communicator in chief to turn this around,” Wen said. “He needs to convince people that they need to do what’s needed, while the government does what it needs to do.”

    If Biden is elected, I'm of the opinion that we would get a modern version of the "fireside chat".

    See the source image

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/joe-biden-coronavirus-plan/2020/09/11/002b972c-eecc-11ea-99a1-71343d03bc29_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_virusbiden618pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

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    Such effort is commendable; however looking at the Trump Party, I guess they will put roadblocks everywhere they can. The same happened to Obama; for instance his Supreme Court appointment was railroaded by McConnell. etc. You can only govern if the opposition wants to play an"honest" game, but not with the Trumpers who stay behind.
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    Political appointees at the Department of Health and Human Services have sought to change, delay and prevent the release of reports about the coronavirus by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention because they were viewed as undermining President Trump’s message that the pandemic is under control.

    Michael Caputo, the top HHS spokesman, said in an interview Saturday that he and one of his advisers have been seeking greater scrutiny of the CDC’s weekly scientific dispatches, known as the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, for the past 3½ months. The adviser, Paul Alexander, has sent repeated emails to the CDC seeking changes and demanding that the reports be halted until he could make edits.

    MMWRs are written by career experts for scientists and public health specialists and are considered among the most authoritative public health reports because they provide evidence-based information on a range of health topics. The reports are independent scientific publications that undergo rigorous vetting, often with multiple drafts to check data and methodology. The reports are closely held; few individuals at the CDC have access until just before publication.

    The CDC editorial staff that produces the MMWRs typically sends one-paragraph summaries to HHS and other CDC officials a few days before publication.

    One CDC report that drew particular scrutiny was on hydroxychloroquine. The MMWR urged clinicians to follow long-accepted prescribing guidelines for the malaria drug. Trump favored the drug as a coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence. The CDC was concerned the drug was potentially being misused to treat covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, and affecting supplies of the medication to treat conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus.

    “Current data on treatment and pre- or postexposure prophylaxis for COVID-19 indicate that the potential benefits of these drugs do not appear to outweigh their risks,” the report said.

    The report had been delayed for weeks, according to a former administration official with direct knowledge of the efforts.

    The tone of Alexander’s emails is harsh, this person said, because the CDC ignored his requests. In one email, Alexander wrote to CDC Director Robert Redfield asking that the agency modify two already published reports that Alexander said mistakenly inflated the risks of coronavirus to children and undermined Trump’s push to reopen schools.

    “CDC to me appears to be writing hit pieces on the administration,” Alexander wrote in an email. “CDC tried to report as if once kids get together, there will be spread and this will impact school reopening. … Very misleading by CDC and shame on them. Their aim is clear.”

    The interference by HHS political appointees in the MMWR process has infuriated career scientists, who have been frustrated for months over the inability to allow scientists to fully share and explain information.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/12/trump-control-over-cdc-reports/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_virusmmwr-740pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

    Do you remember when Trump suggested injecting bleach as protection against the virus?

    Doonesbury reminded us this morning that injecting of bleach CAN BE A MURDER WEAPON:

    LUFKIN, Texas (AP) -- A former Texas nurse convicted of killing five dialysis patients by injecting them with bleach should spend the rest of her life in prison with no chance of parole, jurors who earlier convicted the woman of capital murder said Monday.

    Kimberly Saenz was convicted in April of 2012 of killing the patients at a clinic run by Denver-based health care giant DaVita Inc. She also received three 20-year terms for aggravated assault in the cases of five other patients who were deliberately injured.

    Jurors deliberated about 45 minutes before returning with their decision on the punishment. They also could have recommended that Saenz receive the death penalty.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-nurse-convicted-in-bleach-deaths-case

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:
    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    At the end of May, the United States hit 100,000 deaths, four months after the very first case in Washington State.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52821090

    Yesterday, we passed another milestone, as the total hit 150,000. If we continue at that same pace, there will be 200,000 deaths a week before the November 3 election.

    At the end of March, Trump said that if we kept the COVID19 deaths to 100,000, he's be "doing a good job". However, at that time period, he extended America’s national shutdown for a month, bowing to public health experts, and scientific reality, and warning that the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job

    When I posted the above paragraph at the end of July, I predicted that the death toll would hit 200,000 a week before the election. I did not realize that I was being optimistic.

    The CDC is now saying there would be 211,000 by the end of September, and could hit 400,000 by the end of the year if mask use started to wane.

    https://azdailysun.com/news/national/morning-virus-roundup-model-predicts-us-deaths-could-surpass-400-000-this-year-if-mask/article_26750d97-a3bd-5b2c-8a41-a918afcd8ee5.html

    As of this morning, the death total is 198, 572, so the CDC number of 211,000 by the end of the month is likely very accurate.

    If you do the math, the United States has had 68% of the world wide death total.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    But who cares? Certainly not in the W.H. they go on "rallying" as if nothing is going on. And the "second wave" is still to come, or the first wave will silently go over into the first wave? Anyway I hope it will eliminate some Trumper "rally" goers.
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    Arizona -- Thanks for sharing these. I saw some of it on MSNBC, but never got around to digging out for sharing here. It's commendable what Biden is doing to "hit the ground running" if he is elected. There is so much to do starting on day 1 of his presidency, and he has made a lot of promises in that regard. He is surrounding himself with some very good intelligent and knowledgeable people to help guide him in the last two months of the campaign, but also to be president

    Contrast what Biden is doing with what Trump did after getting elected in 2016. Instead of boning up on how government works -- he needed a primer course in that regard -- he instead went on a thank you tour covering nine rallies in the month of December. Rallies in which he could continue vilifying Hillary Clinton, and hearing the crowds one more time chant, "lock her up" and "Trump, Trump, Trump!!" It's the narcissist Trump that needs his daily fix of adulation, but has no interest in the hard work of governing.

    He has remarkedly survived the 3 1/2 years of his presidency by continuing to pander and lie masterly to his rabid and sometime militant base, but the Covid-19 pandemic has shown that he was not up to the job. People are catching on as more people are tuning in. He cannot lie himself out of this one. Biden is showing the way, not Trump.

    You can't con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on." – Donald Trump, The Art of the Deal, 1987

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    Mr. Biden, Suggestions include learning to use an old familiar phrase, Try it with me: Affordable Care Act. That wasn't so hard. Obama care is an ugly slang that didn't originate with people who cherished the whole thing. I agree whole heartedly that it should be protected, improved and modernized. Call it the Affordable care act or abbreviated as ACA. Covid is important but so are a dozen other things. Speak about your ideas to address the other top 5 topics. You are doing well but don't be 1 dimensional. Law enforcement, Economy, military, polution and climate control, clean energy, and reduced costs for prescriptions. The status quo is unacceptable. Negotiations of pharma products and the costs are something that helps 95% of the country. Show your competence and depth on multiple topics. It's time Joe.
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    Even as movie theaters, gyms and salons are opening and some states are allowing limited indoor dining, daily life in the U.S. won't get back to normal until late 2021 when a vaccine for Covid-19 could be widely distributed, the nation's leading infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, said Friday.

    In an interview on MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports," Fauci, who is the director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said he remains confident there will be a vaccine available by the end of this year or early 2021.

    "But by the time you mobilize the distribution of the vaccine and get a majority or more of the population vaccinated and protected, that's likely not going to happen until the end of 2021," he said. "If you're talking about getting back to a degree of normality prior to Covid, it's going to be well into 2021, towards the end of 2021."

    cnbc.com/2020/09/12/fauci-says-us-wont-...