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  • Schmidt
    2020-01-26 12:43:20 AM
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    The Daily Mail reports that the Chinese are hiding the real numbers and that 90,000 people in China have been affected. In the USA, two cases have now been reported in Chicago.

    WebMD: Coronavirus

    CDC: 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

  • Schmidt
    2020-01-26 08:19:29 AM
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    South China Morning Post, January 25, 2020: China coronavirus: Wuhan residents describe ‘doomsday’ scenes as patients overwhelm hospitals

    This article from China describes a desperate scene for those confined to Wuhan, China where the coronavirus originated.

    I won't copy from the article. You can read it. The Chinese people, especially in Wuhan, are afraid and some in a state of panic. They cannot leave.

    Consider what would happen if an outbreak took place in an American city...say Chicago. Would we be able to cope any better than the authorities and medical staff coping in Wuhan with limited resources?

  • Dutch
    2020-01-26 09:00:56 AM
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    The worst thing is, that nowhere it is published what is that virus, what causes it and what can cure it. What are the preventive measures you can take? How is it transmitted? So far it looks like an "common" cold with an runny nose, thus how do you know what you got?
  • Schmidt
    2020-01-26 12:11:12 PM
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    There's lots of information on the CDC website.

    CDC, 2019 Novel Coronavirus: Frequently Asked Questions and Answers: Here are a few:

    Q: What is the source of 2019 Novel Coronavirus?

    A: Public health officials and partners are working hard to identify the source of the 2019-nCoV. Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses, some causing illness in people and others that circulate among animals, including camels, cats and bats. Early on, many of the patients in the outbreak in Wuhan, China reportedly had some link to a large seafood and animal market, suggesting the virus likely emerged from an animal source. Analysis of the genetic tree of this virus is ongoing to know the specific source of the virus. SARS, another coronavirus that emerged to infect people, came from civit cats, while MERS, another coronavirus that emerged to infect people, came from camels.

    Q: Is there a vaccine?

    A: Currently, there is no vaccine available to protect against 2019-nCoV.

    Q: What are the treatments?

    A: There is no specific antiviral treatment recommended for 2019-nCoV infection. People infected with 2019-nCoV should receive supportive care to help relieve symptoms.

    Learn about 2019-nCoV Treatment.

    Q: Should I be tested for 2019-nCoV?

    A: If you develop a fever1 and symptoms of respiratory illness, such as cough or shortness of breath, within 14 days after travel from Wuhan, China, you should call ahead to a healthcare provider and mention your recent travel or close contact. If you have had close contact2 with someone showing these symptoms who has recently traveled from this area, you should call ahead to a healthcare provider and mention your recent travel or close contact. Your healthcare provider will work with your state’s public health department and CDC to determine if you need to be tested for 2019-nCoV.

    Q: How do you test a person for 2019-nCoV?

    A: At this time, diagnostic testing for 2019-nCoV can be conducted only at CDC.

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  • Schmidt
    2020-01-26 09:40:11 PM
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    I guess I'm overly intrigued by this subject. Here's an article that I found interesting in the Daily Mail.

    From bat to snake to humans – the coronavirus is a real life sci-fi nightmare, writes health reporter JOHN NAISH

    It's passed from bat to snake to the dinner table...and then the world. Ugh!

    Don't worry...everything will be brought under control. Trust the authorities.

  • Dockadams
    2020-02-04 07:23:10 PM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I guess I'm overly intrigued by this subject. Here's an article that I found interesting in the Daily Mail.

    From bat to snake to humans – the coronavirus is a real life sci-fi nightmare, writes health reporter JOHN NAISH

    It's passed from bat to snake to the dinner table...and then the world. Ugh!

    Don't worry...everything will be brought under control. Trust the authorities.

    Then you're old enough to remember the Hong Kong flu.

    I received a shot for the Hong Kong flu when enlisted years ago, the shot was mandatory for all military people. Yeah, it made me ill for about 48 hours. Question: why do all these epidemics seem to originate in the east?

    "A January, 1970, report in The New York Times said “scientists suspect that at least three of the recent pandemics of influenza began in mainland China”. An excerpt from the story reads: Dr Chang Wai-kwan of Hong Kong’s Queen Mary Hospital, was quoted as telling an international conference: “The Asian flu of 1957 apparently originated in the central mainland of the People’s Republic of China and the epidemic of 1968 possibly could have come from the same source.”

    "China, rather than Spain, was also now believed to have been the source of the deadliest 20th century flu epidemic, the report said." scmp.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/arti...

  • that guy in AZ
    2020-02-05 10:40:52 AM
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    Dock:

    Our daughter moved to China in February of 2002, about 7 months before the outbreak of SARS, which was caused by the peculiar dining habits of the Chinese people. In essence, they would eat anything with 4 legs except a table, which is why they ate civet cats, the cause of the SARS virus.

    In my one year stint there, from December of 2003 to December of 2004, I noticed that sanitary conditions were less than optimal. China's 13th 5 year plan, published in 2018, explains the problem:

    https://www.waterworld.com/international/wastewater/article/16201297/chinas-13th-five-year-plan-what-role-will-wastewater-play

    According to statistics from the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), around 32.5 percent of China’s seven major river systems and 29.2 percent of China’s major basins do not meet the prevailing water quality standards (grade III and below) in 2015.

    In 2015, only 11.4 percent of China’s villages had access to wastewater treatment facilities. Beyond the villages, only about 7 percent to 25 percent of China’s towns and townships had these facilities. The penetration rates of wastewater treatment facilities in China’s rural or suburban areas were still relatively low.

    I lived in the southern city of Guangzhou, where the air quality was bad, but still a lot better than the air in cities to the north, like Beijing, which still burned a lot of coal.

    Bottled water is VERY popular in Guangzhou, which could explain why I did not get sick when I was there.


  • Dockadams
    2020-02-12 05:48:55 AM
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    @ Guy, Must be a really dirty place, what to eat or not... what to drink? It's no wonder America has clean air & water laws, and we can thank forefathers we have the FDA looking out for us.

    But hey, my old buddies years ago used to say possum and racoons weren't too bad if you boiled them first to sanitize the meat. Parboiling must work, otherwise we'd have sick country boys. I have consumed wild rabbit and tree rats in my younger years with no problems.

    China must be a filthy dirty place to live.

  • that guy in AZ
    2020-02-12 02:19:28 PM
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    According to pastor Hank Kunneman, "God would protect the United States from the coronavirus because of President Donald Trump and his administration."

    https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/hank-kunneman-god-will-protect-the-u-s-from-the-coronovirus-because-of-trump/

    To quote Bill Murray, " so we got that going for us".

    Hank Kunneman has published 6 books in English and 3 books in Dutch. and his wife Brenda has also published 6 books.

  • Dutch
    2020-02-13 09:33:50 AM
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    According to pastor Hank Kunneman, "God would protect the United States from the coronavirus because of President Donald Trump and his administration."

    https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/hank-kunneman-god-will-protect-the-u-s-from-the-coronovirus-because-of-trump/

    To quote Bill Murray, " so we got that going for us".

    Hank Kunneman has published 6 books in English and 3 books in Dutch. and his wife Brenda has also published 6 books.

    Please bring the "barf" bucket! I'm lucky I never read that crap, not even in Dutch. But yeah this "holy" land and Israel will last foreverAstonished, the same as that they found the Titanic on the bottom of the ocean. The Inca's had the same idea. As well "Rome". Amen
  • Schmidt
    2020-02-24 06:40:55 PM
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    Daily Mail, Feb 24, 2020: SEVEN now dead in Italian coronavirus outbreak, 229 infected

    Take a look at these photos in the Daily Mail of the coronavirus fanning fear and panic in Italy and surrounding countries.

  • that guy in AZ
    2020-02-25 10:35:48 AM
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    Being the great leader that he is, Trump is proposing CUTS to the CDC.

    Trump is proposing drastic cuts to the Centers for Disease Control’s budget — a 16% haircut, to be exact. He also wants to reduce the Department of Health and Human Services’ budget by a whopping 10% and lower our contribution to the World Health Organization by $65 million, or 40%. That’s on top of a proposed 7% cut to the National Institutes of Health’s budget.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/24/1921658/-Ted-Lieu-Dow-is-plummeting-due-to-coronavirus-so-why-is-Trump-proposing-deep-cuts-to-CDC?detail=emaildkre

  • that guy in AZ
    2020-02-25 11:06:25 AM
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    Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh said that the coronavirus is a common cold that has been weaponized against Trump.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/25/rush-limbaugh-coronavirus-trump

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  • TJ
    2020-02-25 04:32:25 PM
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    One of my primary obsessions is College football. I was thinking today that if this virus is not under control by early September, you're going to have 65 - 110k sitting elbow to elbow in tightly confined stadiums all over the country. Add bathroom breaks, concessions and entering and exiting the stadiums and many many people will be subject to the results of coughs and sneezing and using common condiments at the concession stands. Best of luck to all.
  • Schmidt
    2020-02-25 04:48:26 PM
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    The Atlantic, Feb 24, 2020: You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus

    Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch "predicts that, within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic.”

    Like the flu, some people have mild cases and other so severe they die. The death rate of flu is about 0.1 percent of those who get sick. For those catching the COVID-19 virus, the death rate is about 2 percent. But the bad news is that it will take 12-18 months for a vaccine to be developed, tested and distributed globally. And that is faster than any vaccine development in the past.

    The COVID-19 virus will be likely be pandemic, but with a 2 percent mortality rate, the expression, "only the strong survive" has merit.

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