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    There is no shame in this country that is clear. People who still call this an "trial" should be re-educated; this was an total pre-determined "scam" orchestrated by the McConnell "mafia" and "pay-offs" by Trump. Sorry people there is much more of the same to come. The State of the Union speech by Trump is totally predictable; if I was Pelosi , I would dress in "black". The rest of the "scam show" will end on Wednesday. This will then further develop into more "scams" down the road to the elections. I hope the Dem's wake up and use all possible resources to counter the massive "corruption" the "mafia" Trump party will do to get re-elected. If not then we better rename Washington into "New Moscow" and the country "little Italy".

    Where are the tax returns? The Dem's should demand such, way before Trump can run again; if not "impeach" him again.

    Yes people you wanted this guy; but how can you get rid if him now? Due to our fantastic "laws" and "systems" we have painted ourselves into an corner and can't get out, because the "mafia" has taken this country over without an real "court" fight. Sorry this can't end well, unless the "voters" here use their heads, instead of their "asses"

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    Two Democratic senators have floated the idea of censuring Trump if he is acquitted. Since a number of Republican senators are on record as saying that Trump HAD committed a crime, the idea really is not far fetched.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/impeachment-trial-live-updates/2020/02/03/78bafff4-4673-11ea-8124-0ca81effcdfb_story.html?itid=hp_hp-bignews3_impeachment-ticker-755am%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo#link-ZSILHQMGOQ22LAY3V42UNTMHSM

    Although removal from office requires a 2/3 vote, censure only requires a simple majority. Since the vote to not hear witnesses was only 49-51, Mitt Romney (who is no longer welcome at CPAC events) may be able to convince a few more senators to "grow a pair" and vote for censure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure_in_the_United_States

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    I guess the people here still have no idea what the Trump "mafia" is all about. "Censuring" means nothing, it depends on how you formulate it. Can he still fill his pockets, lie like crazy, not show his tax returns, manipulate everything, what about "tariffs", his love for Putin and Kim, the murders of Epstein, Khashoki, and others, meddling in Iraq, Iran, Israel etc. let alone "fix" the election with gerrymandering and other tricks. Using tax payer money to pay for his security (and family) and the "big" plane to fly all over the place for his rally's and useless trips. Let alone all of his ridiculous "tweets". Don't forget he wants to drastically cut "social security" likely without Congress approval. Should I go on?

    Censuring will do nothing unless you cover all the things (and more) as I mentioned. If it only covers the Ukraine "missteps" then it is useless. It should actually contain an "operating manual" to "limit" and "define" exactly his powers, so the Congress can do its job without interference.

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    Dutch Wrote:

    I guess the people here still have no idea what the Trump "mafia" is all about.

    What do you mean by "The people here?" What people are you talking about?

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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:

    I guess the people here still have no idea what the Trump "mafia" is all about.

    What do you mean by "The people here?" What people are you talking about?

    How about the "people" on this "island" ? I don't mean the well versed writers on this site who should know what Trump is all about; except a few who pop up from the "mafia" party once in a while. "Here" is not in Sweden. ha ha.

    Also "here" means that on this island, they refuse to study the rest of the world and that they may think/live totally different than on this arrogant "island". How many "wars" did this "island" start since WWII? How many did this country "win"? None, I guess.

    Due to technology and info via the internet, I would think that the people "here" and their leaders would have learned from all these wars, but I guess not. Trump and his dumb ass cronies would love to see the Middle East "in flames" all the time, by supporting "the evangelicals" with their love for Israel, who's present inhabitants actually did murder their hero Jesus in the past. Must be something in their brains which is missing.

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    Turtleface smirking like a Kentuckian who shot and killed 15 tree rats with one shot.
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    Will Mitt Romney have the guts to do what is right and be the lone republican to vote convict Trump?

    He's likely to rationalize his no vote as being futile and the people of Utah would have to pay for it because Trump would take revenge on them for his vote.

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    I've been watching C-Span this morning, but the speakers do not seem to be following in any particular order. I have it on in the background. So far it seems that most Republican Senators are saying that his "crime" did not rise to an impeachable offense. Of note though as I await Cory Gardner to speak (Republican, Colorado) I just watched Doug Jones (D, Alabama) give an excellent speech on why he will vote to convict Trump later this afternoon (4 pm EST) when the final votes take place. Doug Jones was thought to be one of the Democrats that might flip for Trump, but he is showing courage to vote his conscience.

    Also awaiting Mitt Romney to speak.

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    Mitt Romney gave an emotional speech in which we explained why he is breaking with his Republican colleagues and voting to convict trump on the first article...that he solicited foreign help to help his election. He cited his deep religious faith as his main reason while choking up at times. On the other hand, Mike Lee, the other Senator from Utah went in the opposite direction to acquit. His words were more "Trumpian" in sharp contrast to Mitt's.

    My Senator, Cory Gardner, made an unimpressive case for acquittal largely following the lines of the Trump attorneys --knocking the process but not going into the facts that "he did it". He will hear from me.

    In any case, if there are no more Republicans that have a vote of conscience, it looks like the vote to convict will have one vote to make it bi-partisan although that one Republican vote will still be far short of the 67 total votes needed to remove Trump from office. That vote is coming up shortly.

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    Mitt Romney gave an emotional speech in which we explained why he is breaking with his Republican colleagues and voting to convict trump on the first article...that he solicited foreign help to help his election. He cited his deep religious faith as his main reason while choking up at times. On the other hand, Mike Lee, the other Senator from Utah went in the opposite direction to acquit. His words were more "Trumpian" in sharp contrast to Mitt's.

    My Senator, Cory Gardner, made an unimpressive case for acquittal largely following the lines of the Trump attorneys --knocking the process but not going into the facts that "he did it". He will hear from me.

    In any case, if there are no more Republicans that have a vote of conscience, it looks like the vote to convict will have one vote to make it bi-partisan although that one Republican vote will still be far short of the 67 total votes needed to remove Trump from office. That vote is coming up shortly.

    Schmidt:

    Although Romney's vote was not a surprise, what IS significant is that he’s the only Senator in the history of the country to vote to impeach a president from his own party, which caused the toddler-in-chief to cancel a meeting with the press that was scheduled to take place this afternoon at 2:15 in the Oval Office.

    https://politicaltribune.org/white-house-appears-to-abruptly-cancel-press-briefing-after-surprising-romney-vote/

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    Salt Lake Tribune: Full transcript of Sen. Mitt Romney’s Senate impeachment trial remarks

    The Salt Lake Tribune has a full transcript of Romney's statement on the floor of the Senate explaining why he voted to convict Trump on the Abuse of Power. I include the transcript here from the SLC paper because it has many comments from Romney's Mormon constituents and other Utah residents. But first a few extracts of note from Romney's speech:

    "This verdict is ours to render. The people will judge us for how well and faithfully we fulfilled our duty. The grave question the Constitution tasks senators to answer is whether the president committed an act so extreme and egregious that it rises to the level of a “high crime and misdemeanor.”...Yes, he did."

    "What he did was not “perfect” — no, it was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security interests, and our fundamental values. Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine."

    "My vote will likely be in the minority in the Senate. But irrespective of these things, with my vote, I will tell my children and their children that I did my duty to the best of my ability, believing that my country expected it of me. I will only be one name among many, no more or less, to future generations of Americans who look at the record of this trial. They will note merely that I was among the senators who determined that what the president did was wrong, grievously wrong."

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    Romney's vote took moral courage, unlike perhaps Susan Collins of Maine who publicly struggled with her vote but as always fell in line with the tribe. Comments at the bottom of the Tribune article are overwhelming supportive of Mitt's vote.

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    Mitt Romney showed courage and a backbone. He has character and substance. He could have a good future in Blue. Won't happen but it would be interesting.
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    How Romney voted is what Americans expect of their elected officials, but he did it in the face extreme pressure to do the wrong thing. The Trump Republican party expected him to be corrupt and rationalize a "No" vote as being morally correct. As Trump would say: "God is always on the side of the winner, and I always win"

    This is something that Trump can never forget, nor forgive. Romney will be endlessly targeted by Trump for not standing down.

    Romney was channeling John McCain. Democrats often disagreed with McCain, but they never questioned that he was a highly ethical man.

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    All of this shows on how pathetic the GOP has become as well the "system" allowing an total "scam" circus; actually the GOP does not exist anymore; it is now an full blown copy of an Russian dictatorship in sheep's clothes.

    I guess these idiots who did not want to convict him have no idea what they have done; the coming time will tell. Trump is not the type who will change especially at his age. There is much more to come; how about the "murders" of Epstein and Khashoki; guess who made the "call". More of these murders will follow for sure. I guess the Trump party members are very afraid that the same as with Epstein/Khashoki may happen to them. It is time that the FBI does its job, but I fear they are also afraid and intimidated by the Trump mafia. I'm convinced that we will be in turmoil until well after the elections. He may win these elections, unless someone beats him at his own game. I doubt of it will be the present bunch; hopefully only Bloomberg can do it.

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    CNBC: Trump lashes out at enemies during National Prayer Breakfast speech following acquittal in impeachment trial

    Trump is showing no contrition. With Nancy Pelosi also in attendance at the National Prayer Breakfast this morning, Trump lashed out:

    “As everybody knows, my family, our great country and your president have been through a terrible ordeal by some very dishonest and corrupt people,” Trump said. “They have done everything possible to destroy us, and by so doing very badly hurt our nation. They know what they are doing is wrong, but they put themselves far ahead of our great country.”

    After Pelosi gave her speech, Trump followed her with his attack while she was sitting there close by:

    “I don’t like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. Nor do I like people who say ‘I pray for you’ when they know that that’s not so,” Trump said. “So many people have been hurt and we can’t let that go on. I’ll be discussing that a little bit later at the White House.”

    So much for Susan Collins prediction that Trump will have learned his lesson...