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People here don't realize the danger for the future of this country

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    Looking at the absolute total "mess" and chaos" of this so called "court case" and all the players in it, it does not give me the confidence that this will end well. The biggest fear, which people here don't realize is that Trump and his "mafia" gang come out clean. Then of course Trump can do whatever he likes after this and of course also "corrupt/change" the outcome of the elections. Don't forget that he has already committed quite a few murders (plus 167 people on a plane and hundreds of Kurds) done by incompetent/ignorant "phone calls"; he will continue that practice for sure.

    Yes it will be an full blown dictatorship supported by the NRA and all the far right billionaires, evangelicals and oddballs in this country. Therefore wake up "normal" thinking people with an real education; this should be an serious warning that this country will end up as an "has been" democratic society in this world.

    We need strong leaders with lots of world experience, not the naive bunch which is running now; with the exception of a few like Bloomberg who already is disgusted with the way the candidate selections are being made. The discussion events of the Dem's are an total farce and are more centered on local politics and squable amongst the candidates. None of them discussed international politics or things which may affect this country on an big way the coming years.

    On Fareed, it was made clear that the Trump deal with China is an very weak result, as well the USMCA , because Trump wanted this done before the "impeachment" trial. Mark my word, China will create an even bigger trade imbalance then ever before. Also due to the huge deficit here, Trump will for sure tackle all our social security funding as well get rid of "Obama Care" The "doings" of Obama have to be eradicated from everything.

    If we maintain this idiot in the W.H. then this country is for sure doomed.

    Therefore this should be an urgent warning for anyone who wants to save this country from the cliff and vote with your "brains".

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    Dutch, And add that to the FALSE Dow being supported by buybacks and not earnings and it looks very bleak for a whole lot of people and very very rosy for a few standing by with all the leftover money ready to make the final purchase.
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    Thanks Chet; yes you are correct that was part of the "tax cuts" for the rich. Anyway Dershowitz already said even if Trump is proven guilty, then he should not be removed. Where do all these "wacko's" come from in this country. Just let him "sit" and commit many more crimes? This Dershowitz must be the biggest idiot ever; it shows that Harvard is as nuts to give this idiot an "title". There must be something in the "water" in this country which screws up lots of brains.

    Is there anything "normal" here?

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    Dutch Wrote:

    Thanks Chet; yes you are correct that was part of the "tax cuts" for the rich. Anyway Dershowitz already said even if Trump is proven guilty, then he should not be removed. Where do all these "wacko's" come from in this country. Just let him "sit" and commit many more crimes? This Dershowitz must be the biggest idiot ever; it shows that Harvard is as nuts to give this idiot an "title". There must be something in the "water" in this country which screws up lots of brains.

    Is there anything "normal" here?

    Dershowitz, claiming liberal Hillary voting democratic, had totally opposite view on Clinton impeachment.
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    Collective Self-Government Model

    A utopian alternative

    The form of Government that I support is a Pantisocracy. A pantisocracy is a societal system where all are equal in both social status and social responsibility. I also believe that personal sovereignty should play an important role in any system of governance. The following is a list of the issues i will address in this document as per how to set up a pantisocracy on a global scale.

    Supports for Pantisocracy:

    Both Capitalism and Communism have the same pitfall and are opposite extremes of each other. Both are materialistic to a fault and neglect the emotional, esteem, and spiritual needs of the populist. Supporters of capitalism claim that markets are the most efficient means of distribution of resources. Markets however create inequality of power in a society due to a small group over time accumulating most of the resources. Capitalism also largely neglects the emotional, spiritual, and esteem needs of the populist. Communism on the other hand makes wealth equal, however the proletariat remains the proletariat because power is concentrated at the top levels of party management and the top party officials through state planning choose where the resources go rather than the people. Communism also fails to address the emotional, spiritual, or esteem needs of the populist.

    Pantisocracy through decentralized structure and individual equality addresses all needs including, economic, emotional, spiritual, and esteem; by leaving the choice up to each individual while simultaneously mandating equal responsibility and participation by all.

    The Pantisocracy Model

    To create a system where all are equal in both social status and social responsibility I purpose the following:

    A balance be found between individual sovereignty and societal networking and modes of infrastructure. On one hand, an individual should be free to do whatever they wish with their God/Goddess given right of free will; on the other hand, there should be restrictions placed in regard to behavior that harms another being. There should be no hard boarders and boarders that are in place should be drawn upon a cultural basis and not upon a territorial or political basis. I purpose 3 levels to this model, the global, the cultural, and the personal. The economic model should also have 3 levels in both income and distribution. Each individual should have their income divided into 3 equal parts. The first part is their personal share that they may put towards individual needs. The second part is put towards the projects of the individuals’ choice in their cultural zone. The third part is their charitable portion that may be given to anyone or any individual other than themselves. All must contribute in some way to the whole, but, how they contribute is up to each individual. Economics at its most basic is the management of resources and the act of trade. Information and research can be just as valuable as material goods and services. Property rights are determined by whom has the prior claim. This is determined by who has made or produced this good, information, or service. An individual may keep one third of what they produce and the rest goes to the local projects and charity as stated above. An individual may claim any land without a current existing claim so long as they live off that land. At death all property owned by an individual is inherited by the whole of the community in which they locally reside, except land which is free for another to set up new claim. Each individual has the sovereign right to vote and choose, where their share of the resources go. A persons share of the resources is determined by the collective voting of all the individuals in society. There are no elected representatives or government officials.The system is completely run by the columination of all individuals. All individuals are both a private person and also the government at the same time. Individuals may for collaborative projects as well as communities, but, each individual always retains their inalienable right to their personal sovereignty. Any code of conduct or law passed into law by the majority vote may only stay in effect for a maximum of 18 years, but, may be renewed by majority vote. This society must be conservation driven and not consumption driven. Any code of conduct agreed upon by each other must be extended to include all forms of life and our planet and other planets/moons. In matters of dispute, the dispute is always settled by group tribunal in the locality the dispute occurred. Any individual in the that locality may attend and act as magister in that tribunal. Verdict is always decided by majority rule. If an individual commits an act of violence, the sentencing must be passed by group tribunal in the locality where the act was committed. The minimum sentence should be a warning. The maximum sentence should be ostricization for life and include no death penalty. A remote island should be set aside for those ostracized. Ostracized individuals are cut off from societal resources and must fend for themselves off the land for their survival.

    The installation of this system should be established through pacifist populism. Pacifist non-resistance and mass protests as well as not conforming to the existing social, economic, or legal system are valid means of establishing this system. Another valid method is to set this system up with each other and not acknowledge nor participate in the system you are replacing with this Pantisocracy model. Violent means must not be used as a way to set up this system or else the integrity of the pantisocracy model will be inevitably drawn back into the cycle of conflict. On the other hand information warfare and espionage is a valid means so long as it does not encourage violence by utilizing this means.


    Link to this document:

    docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSC...

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    Trying to invent the wheel all over again? Is n't much simpler to "copy" other countries where the system does work?

    Empires have been here for thousands of years; however since this country is an 250 year old "island" and is way to arrogant to copy things which do work, then our lovely lawyers make sure there is an corrupt element "built -in" the "system" so they can "rob" the system. So I don't expect that they ever will make this system corrupt free. Everyone knows that the "electoral college" is not representing the actual vote at all and is corrupt because rules of 1800 apply.( California has more people than Kentucky ; the McConnell and Paul idiots come from KY; CA has more brains) Crazy, to keep that in place for one party, who manipulates the dumb backward States. just let "votes" count.

    First of all make sure that the "coordinator" i.e. the "leader" does not become the "dictator" as is happening now. Such can be prevented by an detailed "job" description with its limits, which should be part of the "law" such person has to abide to. Also make any "base" law an "living" document, which implies updates all the time; sorry people it is not 1800 now which tells you that you can own an musket, like the "second amendment" actually says. Furthermore have "elections" without "money" and lobbyists. Then as last point have an multi party system which also covers the "center".

    But yeah we've got an great corrupt system as is clearly proven now, that does not work, except for a"few" mafia figures.

    Sorry people praying does not help, neither an outdated British system. The Titanic is ready for an ugly surprise; icebergs do exist.