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    I am a Centrist. A centrist who votes his conscience. Last election I voted neither Clinton nor Trump because I saw problems with both. I probably want Pres. Trump out of office as much as you do. However... I do not see that happening. I get that you want Sanders because of his Socialist views or you want Warren so we finally have a female president, but neither of those are what you "need". What you need is someone who can unseat Pres. Trump and as near as I can see, your best bet at the moment is Biden as some sources say he has the broadest appeal amongst voters (and that isn't even a sure thing). What you need is to swing the centrists and moderates to vote against Pres. Trump. Neither Sanders nor Warren will do that. Some centrists might vote Dem just to 'remove Trump', but the others are going to vote third party, abstain from voting or vote for Trump to continue with "the evil you know" and some will flat out vote against Sanders because this country isn't ready for socialism values. If you want to stick to your guns and back Warren or Sanders, fine. Vote your conscience. If you want to unseat our current President, go with the logical choice rather than the wishful ones.

    And honestly, I wish there was someone stronger than Biden. I feel I am going to be voting third party again, but he is your best chance.

    Just something to think about if you really want Pres. Trump gone.

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    Well several of us on this website probably share your sentiments. We look at the current crop of candidates and apply purity tests to invalidate some. There is no "Barack Obama" in the field, and we seem to mentally make that comparison. Joe Biden is not a bad choice. Many of us are apprehensive about his age, but hey both Bernie Sanders and Michael Bloomberg are older.

    We should not forget that the formula that won us a majority in the House in the 2018 election was electing moderate candidates in pink districts and making health care the Number 1 issue. No left progressive beat out a Republican in any district. Period! We gained 40 seats all by moderate centrists in Republican held districts.

    Bernie Sanders is now the candidate that Republicans most want to oppose. Not only are his proposed "socialist" policies unpopular with the majority of Americans, he also has baggage...that is he has yet to be truly vetted. However, he accuses Biden of having baggage. I won't go into all his baggage but here's a start...

    Politico: Bernie Sanders Has a Secret

    Read the article.

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    I'm also a centrist who tends to lean towards Biden (I also really like Senator Klobuchar), but I do take issue with you saying you want Donald out of office as much as the rest of us, but then go on to say that you have a feeling you're "going to be voting third party again."

    A vote for a third party candidate is the exact same thing as voting for a 2nd Donald term.

    This election is about one thing - removing Donald from office. If my choice is Bernie (Lord, help us) or Donald then I will vote for Bernie in a heartbeat and then sit back and watch as every one of his fanciful promises are swatted down by Congress.

    If my choice is Warren (not nearly as big of a demagogue as Bernie) or Donald then I will vote for Warren. A Warren Presidency would be interesting because she actually has specific policy proposals, like them or not, that Congress could take up if they chose.

    If my choice is Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson or Donald then I'll don a Baywatch tanktop and cast my vote for the dreamboat.

    I will vote for whoever has a D next to their name in the general election even if it means I have to swallow hard before casting my ballot. This election is about so much more than my feelings. It's about saving our country from a narcissistic sociopath who is currently in control of our nuclear arsenal.

    So if you vote third party then you are voting to keep Donald in office. It's as simple as that.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    I'm also a centrist who tends to lean towards Biden (I also really like Senator Klobuchar), but I do take issue with you saying you want Donald out of office as much as the rest of us, but then go on to say that you have a feeling you're "going to be voting third party again."

    A vote for a third party candidate is the exact same thing as voting for a 2nd Donald term.

    This election is about one thing - removing Donald from office. If my choice is Bernie (Lord, help us) or Donald then I will vote for Bernie in a heartbeat and then sit back and watch as every one of his fanciful promises are swatted down by Congress.

    If my choice is Warren (not nearly as big of a demagogue as Bernie) or Donald then I will vote for Warren. A Warren Presidency would be interesting because she actually has specific policy proposals, like them or not, that Congress could take up if they chose.

    If my choice is Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson or Donald then I'll don a Baywatch tanktop and cast my vote for the dreamboat.

    I will vote for whoever has a D next to their name in the general election even if it means I have to swallow hard before casting my ballot. This election is about so much more than my feelings. It's about saving our country from a narcissistic sociopath who is currently in control of our nuclear arsenal.

    So if you vote third party then you are voting to keep Donald in office. It's as simple as that.

    Jared:

    I agree with you.The leading Democratic candidate seems to change by the day, so it is far too soon to pick a favorite, but voting for a third party, or a write-in candidate, helps Trump to win again.

    In 2016, our son-in-law thought that Hillary was as bad as Trump, so he wrote "Mickey Mouse" on his ballot. Sadly, there enough people like him in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin that thought the same way, so Trump won the presidency in those three states by less than 100,000 votes, in an election where roughly 127 million people voted.

    Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes (0.2%), Pennsylvania by 49,543 (0.8%), and Wisconsin by 27,257 votes (0.7%).

    As you are aware, Wisconsin it trying to throw 234,000 people off the voting lists, and a Wisconsin judge is threatening to find the 3 Democrats on the voting commission who want to hold off doing that until after the 2020 election.

    Fortunately, a Wisconsin court of appeals THIS MORNING paused the purge.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/16/1911841/-Wisconsin-Court-of-Appeals-reverses-course-on-voter-purge?detail=emaildkre

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    People on the Right and the Left see any vote for a third party or abstaining from voting as a loss for their side making it easier for the other side to win (thank goodness they didn't think this way when Lincoln ran for President). If all the peolple who abstained or voted third party last election had blindly picked either Dem or Rep, the results may have been the same. What both sides fail to see is the viewpoint from the Middle. When you are in the Middle and you see a pile of crap on one side and a pile of crap on the other side, you avoid both piles and hop over, turn around or find a safe path between. I won't debate the past election because there is no point, but I didn't trust Clinton any more than I did Trump and refuse to vote for someone I do not support. I don't really support anyone on the left right now, but things can change. But reading through the coverage of the Democratic debates, I just see the Democrats flat out losing if they back either Warren or Sanders as they are both too far left to swing the Middle.

    That said, I am not a very political person. This is the first time I have gone out of my way to post anything political and it will probably be the last. I just wanted to throw the seed out there that if Dems really want to unseat Pres. Trump, they need to not swing so far left that they forget the middle.

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    Leekle2Much Wrote: But reading through the coverage of the Democratic debates, I just see the Democrats flat out losing if they back either Warren or Sanders as they are both too far left to swing the Middle.

    Only if Democrats shoot themselves in the foot the same way we did in 2016. I loathe Bernie with every fiber of my being, but I'll knock on doors for him if he's the Democratic nominee.

    Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line. If that saying rings true yet again this November then Donald will be reelected.

    Democrats would rather lose an election than vote for someone who stands for 90% of what they believe. Republicans would rather vote for someone who stands for 10% of what they believe than lose an election.

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    This is what worries me...a repeat of 2016:

    Vox, August 24, 2017: The Bernie voters who defected to Trump, explained by a political scientist

    In the 2016 general election, about 12 percent of the Bernie supporters crossed over and voted for Trump. I saw another study that said 11 percent, and that if the Bernie supporters who voted for Trump simply would have stayed home on election day, Hillary would have won.

    Now I am seeing the same emotional trends of the Bernie supporters going down the same path as they did against Clinton in 2016. I am a former precinct chair, and at our Colorado caucus in 2016 as I made the rounds amongst the Bernie supporters I was aghast too hear the vitriol that some expressed against Hillary, much of it based on misinformation and ignorance. It wasn't just my precinct...it was nationwide, but especially in the Rust Belt states. I think many of them were victims of Russian trolling with misinformation. Of course the worst example is the Pizzagate episode.

    I struggle to understand the absolutism of support of both the rabid Trump supporters on the right and the rabid Bernie supporters on the left. I use the word "rabid" deliberately because that is my impression of their behavior...emotions trumping critical thinking. I read articles in Psychology Today to understand them. I go to Bernie's "Our Revolution" website and watch Nina Turner on TV. And I shake my head in disbelief as I see us headed down the same path as 2016.

    The Russians are already at work seeking to add fuel to the fires burning in the hearts of the Bernie supporters...not all supporters -- just the most rabid ones. Their fear and anger has evolved into frustration and hate. The hate for "anyone but Bernie" will only increase as we get closer to the convention. And after the convention when Bernie is not the pick, they will feel bitterness that will transpire into another vote for Trump.

    History repeats itself. It is Bernie's socialist revolution and he and his most rabid supporters do not know the meaning of compromise. It only takes some 10 percent of them to cross over to vote for Trump and give him victory again.

    "Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.” Yoda - The Phantom Menace

    And yes we all have suffered now under the Trump presidency. It will be that way for generations as the Trump appointed members on the appeals courts and Supreme Court whittle away at our Democracy moving it closer to a fascist and more theocratic state.

    My opinion...I hope I am wrong. We need to vote with our heads...not our emotions.

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    No, No. None of the present candidates have an clue what the world is all about, may be with the exception of Bloomberg.

    Bernie nor Warren got what it takes; Biden is an bit of an "church" weasel. Buttigieg will not get the votes of the evangelicals. I've not heard anyone say anything about the "middle east" or "trade" or the world "order" or how will they approach people like Putin or Kim.. They neither have any clue about "healthcare" just only "island" baked in issues.

    Like Schmidt correctly said; it will take a long time to eradicate the Trump "appointments", therefore you need an very strong person to bring this country back to an full fledged democracy. No Schmidt you are not wrong at all.

    I've never seen such an worthless bunch of naive candidates as now. Yes, the truth hurts.

    By the way, no one in this country votes with their heads, because the corrupt system prevents that.

    Amen

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    You didn't mention Amy Klobuchar.

    I think one of the problems is that the campaigns begin way too early. The more passionate voters get behind their candidates up to maybe two years before the general election. Many more pay little attention until just right before the elections, and by then the process has eliminated anyone who cannot tap emotions and raise lots of money. Name recognition seems to be garnered more through one line zingers that the media can play over and over again.

    This is Trump's turf...his homefield. He knows how to play the game with contless rallies, tweets and lies. Most Democrats, with perhaps the exception of Bernie, do not or cannot play that game effectively. The word "ruthless" best describes the antics of Republicans and Trump to win at any cost. "Russia, if you are listening, you are welcome to meddle in our election." It's all about the power.

    Russian meddling will especially occur in earnest in the two weeks before the election. We will cry foul at the time and shed lots of tears after November 3rd, but it won't change the election results. Similar to the referee on the football field calling out after a review of the play, the various election commissions and courts will state: "the vote by the people stands"...for another four years.

    Hold on longer Ruth Gator Ginsberg...we sure hope.

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    Schmidt Wrote:Vox, August 24, 2017: The Bernie voters who defected to Trump, explained by a political scientist

    I should have been more clear in my previous post...

    "Bernie or busters" fall in love. Republicans fall in line.

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    Schmidt Wrote: Russian meddling will especially occur in earnest in the two weeks before the election. We will cry foul at the time and shed lots of tears after November 3rd, but it won't change the election results. Similar to the referee on the football field calling out after a review of the play, the various election commissions and courts will state: "the vote by the people stands"...for another four years.

    This is what's so scary. We know exactly what is going to happen. Russia is going to do whatever they can to help Donald and split the Democrats. You know it. I know it. Anyone who even moderately follows politics knows it.

    All they have to do is convince a handful of people in a handful of states to stay home or vote for a third party candidate and we'll all be watching Donald deliver his 2nd inaugural a year from now.

    Speaking of a handful of states, if you haven't seen the SNL skit about the electoral college and "living in states that don't matter" then you definitely should. It's very unfortunate, but we have to remind ourselves that for the vast majority of us, it simply doesn't matter who we like as a candidate. It only matters who a handful of people in a handful of states likes. It's so depressing when you think about it.

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    Schmidt & Jared, The point you guys forget is that Trump will boast that the economy and the labor figures are great and that he made an "deal" with China and the USMCA. The "dumb"middle part of this country including Iowa and New Hampshire will only want to see that like on Fox News. His propaganda is way above what the Dem's can offer; like only may be an more "honest" country, but that does not seem to count as much as "food/money" on the table; who cares if Trump is corrupt and wants to be "dictator".

    All of this has to do with the "education" in this country; it is time they get out of "church" and into "school" with well get educated teachers who have social knowledge and know something about what is "good" and "bad". Since Trump will "rally" like crazy while spending/stealing our tax money and plays the "victim" he will win, because the "dumb" masses and spoiled "rich" will re-elect him. Sorry, but like Schmidt says; it will be 2016 all over again, unless we get an real fighter on our side.

    If the "bully" does not gets evicted from the W.H. then I fear we are absolutely going to be an full fledged "dictatorship" in which the Dem's have no say whatsoever. You can blame the "stagnant" outdated Constitution for that.

    I guess in 1800 they did not have here people like Trump around, because they immediately were hung at the highest tree.

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    Politico: Trump accuses Dems of using impeachment trial to hurt Sanders campaign

    Trump, the master of the false messaging, is accusing Democrats of sabotaging Bernie Sanders’ candidacy, "echoing allegations from Sanders supporters during the 2016 primary."

    “They are rigging the election again against Bernie Sanders, just like last time, only even more obviously,” Trump said in a pair of tweets, claiming that Democrats were using his impeachment trial beginning next week to keep Sanders off the campaign trail in the critical final weeks before the Iowa caucuses."

    “They are bringing him out of so important Iowa in order that, as a Senator, he sit through the Impeachment Hoax Trial... Crazy Nancy thereby gives the strong edge to Sleepy Joe Biden, and Bernie is shut out again. Very unfair, but that’s the way the Democrats play the game. Anyway, it’s a lot of fun to watch!”

    This is classic Trump pandering for that 10 percent or so of the Bernie supporters to put him over the top again on November 3rd. And sadly, it works...divide and conquer.

    Trump and Republicans would really love to run against Bernie Sanders...