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TV reports active shooter NAS Pensacola.

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    Active shooter reported on NAS Pensacola. I live close enough to hear colors announcement and bugle sounding colors. I just took my dog outside and I heard but couldn’t understand talking over the loudspeaker.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Active shooter reported on NAS Pensacola. I live close enough to hear colors announcement and bugle sounding colors. I just took my dog outside and I heard but couldn’t understand talking over the loudspeaker.
    Shooter dead. Five people transported to hospital.
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    These things happen with increasing frequency in the workplace. The motives for the Naval base shootings in Pearl Harbor and Pensacola I might guess differ little from the shootings in workplaces...disgruntled or fired workers wanting to take their grievances out on someone before they take their own lives or are shot. A form of road rage but motivated by festering grievances.
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    May be it has something to do with the Navy "firings" caused by Trump. It makes them "uneasy"
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    Okay I read now where the shooter was a Saudi aviation student. Saudi Arabia! The United States alliance with Saudi Arabia, a country where everyone is indoctrinated in Whahabbism, doesn't make much sense to me.
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    The Daily Mail in the UK is reporting a terrorist connection via his twitter account, but ABC and other news US outlets are being more cautious in trying to verify that the twitter account with the terror related charges is indeed the shooters. The account calls the US a "nation of evil".

    Likewise Trump is being very cautious and gracious in not making his usual off-the-cuff attacks on Muslims. Could it be because the shooter was Saudi, and we all know Trump's loving relationship with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia?

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    Why did local authorities respond to an active shooter? I don't get that.

    When I served we had our very own police department and our very own first responders, clinics, hospital, all of that. And since this happened on a military base, local cops and laws don't mean anything, this is a military matter.

    And why would Trump put on a pretty face for the Saudi's? If anyone needs to ask that question, they need to study up and American/Saudi relations. American politicians have been kissing Saudi ass for decades. And will continue to do so.

    theintercept.com/2017/05/27/trumps-amer...

    BTW, the USA has been helping financially and many other ways, including weaponizing ME areas since way back when, and even providing training to ME countries and other areas with military training. In 1976, I observed Iranian recruits at Lackland AFB in Texas.

    Here's a small tidbit of our friendly relations with Iranians: "In the early and mid-1960’s, the US provided military assistance to Iran under agreements which specified that assistance would be based on US surveys of Iranian needs." history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/f...

    We presently have literally thousands of people in military training from all over the ME. We train them how to kill, then some end up killing Americans.

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    Really fucking sick of Saudis killing Americans.

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    New York Times: For Trump, Instinct After Florida Killings Is Simple: Protect Saudis

    As the NYT points out, the shooting "exposed anew the strange dynamic between President Trump and the Saudi leadership: The president’s first instinct was to tamp down any suggestion that the Saudi government needed to be held to account."

    “But when it comes to Saudi, the default position is to defend. Driven by oil, money, weapons sales, a good deal of Saudi feting and flattery, Trump has created a virtually impenetrable zone of immunity for Saudi Arabia.”

    What the article doesn't mention is that like Russia, the Saudi family has loaned Trump money in the past, but without disclosure of those financial transactions, it is hard to know why Trump has a "bromance " with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    New York Times: For Trump, Instinct After Florida Killings Is Simple: Protect Saudis

    As the NYT points out, the shooting "exposed anew the strange dynamic between President Trump and the Saudi leadership: The president’s first instinct was to tamp down any suggestion that the Saudi government needed to be held to account."

    “But when it comes to Saudi, the default position is to defend. Driven by oil, money, weapons sales, a good deal of Saudi feting and flattery, Trump has created a virtually impenetrable zone of immunity for Saudi Arabia.”

    What the article doesn't mention is that like Russia, the Saudi family has loaned Trump money in the past, but without disclosure of those financial transactions, it is hard to know why Trump has a "bromance " with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.

    Schmidt the "bromance" is simple; Trump "earns" money via the "kickbacks" from the war industry as well don't forget the Kussner involvement. I think the American public has no idea on how the people in our government enriches themselves. Even in the old days when I had contract work with Lockheed, the price of any piece of product was increased to cover the cost of the "lobby", i.e. backpocket money for "someone" Thus nothing "new"
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Really fucking sick of Saudis killing Americans.

    If they didn't have stacks of money to spend and oil to supply, the killings would be unacceptable.
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    Okay, I heard that the offender had a legally obtained gun.

    How is it possible that a Saudi national can legally obtain and own a gun? There's something wrong with that.

    kxlf.com/news/national/the-pensacola-gu...

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    From the article: "He obtained a hunting license, which allows a non-immigrant on a non-immigrant visa to purchase a gun, the source said."

    "Meanwhile, investigators have been trying to determine what motivated Alshamrani to open fire in a classroom building."

    I keep harping on this topic, but when all Saudi children are indoctrinated from birth into the state sponsored extreme fundamentalist Islamic religion called Wahhabism, then it is not easy to undo that mind set any more than one can change the views of Christian fundamentalists in the United States.

    Huffington Post: How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism

    If the Saudis allow us to investigate, they will likely find that the shooter, Alshamrani, was a product of their own religious teachings, and that every Saudi who has these underpinnings is a possible future terrorist whose brain can flip on a moment's notice. Maybe Alshamrani came to the USA with good intentions, but was a time bomb waiting to go off, triggered by an incident maybe not unlike how "road rage" triggers otherwise sane Americans to kill each other.

    I don't expect the Saudis to fully cooperate. And Trump will be happy to brush this killing under the rug. It will die...last week's story amongst all the other mass killings in the news every week.

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    So, this foreign guy walks into a gun shop and says, I want to buy a gun, the gun shop owner says, got any I.D.?, the guy says yeah, pulls out his visa or whateverthefuck, and the shop owner says he can't sell him a gun, unless he want's a gun for hunting, and asks the guy, do you want to hunt? The guy says yeah, I want to hunt, and the gun shop owner sells him a hunting license, and a gun. Totally legal. I call bullshit on that so called law.
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    Dockadams Wrote: So, this foreign guy walks into a gun shop and says, I want to buy a gun, the gun shop owner says, got any I.D.?, the guy says yeah, pulls out his visa or whateverthefuck, and the shop owner says he can't sell him a gun, unless he want's a gun for hunting, and asks the guy, do you want to hunt? The guy says yeah, I want to hunt, and the gun shop owner sells him a hunting license, and a gun. Totally legal. I call bullshit on that so called law.
    If the guy had "flying" lessons on an US airbase then the had an airbase "pass" to show that as an I.D.