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Kaiser Wilhelm II: another Trump clone


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    Miranda Carter, The New Yorker, June 6, 2018: What Happens When a Bad-Tempered, Distractible Doofus Runs an Empire?

    Maybe Arizona or Dutch already covered this last year. Many parallels have been made with dictators from the past, most notably Mussolini, but Kaiser Wilhelm II sounds like he must have the same DNA as Trump. Or Trump is the reincarnation of Kaiser Wilhelm II. A couple of extract from Carter's article:

    "One of the many things that Wilhelm was convinced he was brilliant at, despite all evidence to the contrary, was “personal diplomacy,” fixing foreign policy through one-on-one meetings with other European monarchs and statesmen. In fact, Wilhelm could do neither the personal nor the diplomacy, and these meetings rarely went well. The Kaiser viewed other people in instrumental terms, was a compulsive liar, and seemed to have a limited understanding of cause and effect. "

    "Wilhelm didn’t accomplish very much. The general staff of the German Army agreed that the Kaiser couldn’t “lead three soldiers over a gutter.” He had neither the attention span nor the ability. “Distractions, whether they are little games with his army or navy, travelling or hunting—are everything to him,” a disillusioned former mentor wrote. “He reads very little apart from newspaper cuttings, hardly writes anything himself apart from marginalia on reports and considers those talks best which are quickly over and done with.” The Kaiser’s entourage compiled press cuttings for him, mostly about himself, which he read as obsessively as Trump watches television. A critical story would send him into paroxysms of fury."

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    Yeah...Trump the Kaiser. History repeats itself.

    Read more about the parallels between Trump and Kaiser Wilhelm II at the above link.

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    Okay I will add another link for the history buffs to browse. It speaks for itself.

    Donald Trump and Benito Mussolini: Striking Parallels

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Okay I will add another link for the history buffs to browse. It speaks for itself.

    Donald Trump and Benito Mussolini: Striking Parallels

    Wow, only the uniform is missing as well the Italian wine and "kitchen" (no hamburgers !)
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    Thanks for the links. Its the kind of stuff I am interested in understanding better.

    These historical figures are what Malcom Gladwell classifies as "outliers". They have an extremely unusual combination of personality traits and skills, and tend to get to high places of power through a backdoor and\or exploiting holes in a system of government and society that others had not considered, or simply were will willing do to get there.

    Focusing just on Trump, once he is gone, he will leave behind a huge negative vacuum in the Republican party that can't be filled by Trump-wannabes who think if they can talked and act like him they can become president (or worse). They will crash and burn because their minds are not wired in the same extremely screwed up way, and simply mimicking Trump-like qualities (ie name calling, manipulating people, lying, etc) won't work for them like it works for Trump.... But Trump's die hard fans will still be demanding the Republican party to find political candidates who lie, breaks laws, steals from the poor and gives the rich, and so on. Personally, I estimate that there will always be about 20% of the population want an authoritarian government and corrupt leaders. They probably would thrive in Russia if they lived there.

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    wwjd -- yes I agree that many of these "tyrants" of the past have a unique combination of genetic traits, upbringing and political/economic environment that make them rare with respect to the population as a whole. All of these characteristics are necessary for a tyrant to make his mark on history. I use the term "tyrant" rather loosely...authoritarian bully, despot, dictator, autocrat, or other terms might apply to many in the public fold who have such leanings but are kept in check by social and political norms.

    Defining Donald Trump is not easy. I find him to be an accomplished con artist, but how far would he go in molding our democracy into fascism if he was left unchecked? It really depends on the populace, because no leader can rise to prominence without the backing of significant segment of the populace. Which gets me to the point of "how dumb can we be?" Dr. Kim in the article below answers that in part.

    Dr. Jean Kim published an article in Psychology Today in February 2017 shortly after Trump took office entitled: Why Do People Follow Tyrants?

    The by-line reads: "History repeats itself, because of human nature." In other words, our genetic traits that are passed on through centuries.

    Kim uses the term "tyrant" in her article, and goes on to describe many of the characteristics of those people who follow tyrants so willingly. I have discussed them before in this website citing other professionals so I won't regurgitate them here. But note that Kim never mentions the name Trump, but as you read through the article you can certainly recognize, perhaps, what she had in mind when she observed Americans electing Trump just three months before in November 2016.

    I think she chose the word, "tyrant" very carefully.

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    Schmidt, you get only "tyrants" if the "base laws" of an country allows such. As I wrote many times the refusal of making proper laws here and only "dreaming away" about how great the Constitution is does not help. This country needs drastic changes in their laws and law structure to reflect changing times. Trump is an warning sign, that the system does not work.

    If we don't do nothing about it then we will get more Trump types in the future; we've been lucky until now that we've had some Presidents who "behaved" some other Republican Presidents like the Bush clan also got us in unwanted "wars" etc., because of stupidity because of not having stringent "laws" for Presidents. Sorry this remains an backwards country related to "governing". Presidents never should be "above" the law, as well should have no authority to "rule" without having solid laws for themselves. Thus Congress get to work! Rules don't work as has been proven over and over. Wake up America, if you don't want "tyrants" make then sure that "tyrants" can't be elected. Amen


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    Yeah Schmidt, it gets to that question: "Who's worse, Donald Trump, or the people that blindly follow him" (aka about 20%-30% of the population).

    In answering that question, we could dismiss Donald Trump as someone who has had serious mental heath issues all his life, and place a large percentage of the blame on his cult following who are drawn to him like alcoholics are to alcohol. But the reality is a toxic combination when brought together. Trump is powerless without his cult following, and without Trump, his base is headless.

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    wwjd -- "Trump is powerless without his cult following, and without Trump, his base is headless." Excellent point. They have a kind of symbiotic relationship -- "mutualism" as opposed to "parasitism" I suppose. They thrive and draw strength from each other...the rallies, the tweets, etc.

    What will happen to his cult followers if Trump is ever convicted by the Senate and removed from office or worse sent to jail after his removal for crimes known and unknown? They cannot fathom the thought and could cope by doing crazy stuff. The human mind once corrupted is hard to heal.

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    I found this thread today when I typed in "Kaiser" into the search bar.

    First of all, there is a lot of wisdom in the comments posted, and they are as relevant today as they were a few years ago.

    I just finished reading "The Kaiser's Web", by Steve Berry.

    If you have read any one of his books, you know that he is a master at blending historical facts into a compelling story, all wrapped in elegant prose.

    Without telling you too much about the story, imagine (if you can) that either Hitler and/or Eva Braun had survived the war, and their descendants were once again on the brink of achieving power again.

    The novel also discusses the rise of right wing nationalism, which is very much as much a threat today as it was 80 years ago.

    FOX, One America, Joe Rogan and Newsmax have all contributed to the rightward shift in this country, but France has Marine Le Pen, Hungary has Victor Orban, and Belarus has Alexander Lukashenko, and all of them are dangerous people.

    The large print edition has 689 pages, but I read it in three days because it is a genuine "page turner:.

    This symbol is on the cover:

    See the source image

    th.bing.com/th/id/R.95e76cb6fd00c19acb0...

    It translate into "parade section"

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    If you review the history of the 1933 election in Germany, you'll see that there is a connection to the party of Trump:

    The Nazi seizure of power commenced on 30 January, when President Paul von Hindenburg appointed Hitler as Chancellor, who immediately urged the dissolution of the Reichstag and the calling of new elections. On his second day as Chancellor, Hitler opened his campaign with a nationwide radio address pledging to save the nation from the left-wing, which he castigated as "political nihilism."[3] In early February, the Nazis "unleashed a campaign of violence and terror that dwarfed anything seen so far".[4] Sturmabteilung stormtroopers began attacking trade union and Communist Party (KPD) offices and the homes of left-wingers

    Standing beneath Mount Rushmore on the eve of American independence day, Donald Trump staged a defiant celebration of what critics say is white identity politics and warned the nation’s history is under siege from “far-left fascism”.

    Six days before the scheduled election date, the German parliament building was set alight in the Reichstag fire, allegedly by the Dutch Communist Marinus van der Lubbe. That event reduced the popularity of the KPD and enabled Hitler to persuade Hindenburg to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree as an emergency decree according to Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The emergency law removed many civil liberties and allowed the arrest of Ernst Thälmann and 4,000 other leaders and members of the KPD[1]: 331  shortly before the election, suppressing the Communist vote and consolidating the position of the Nazis.

    Today, the Reichstag Fire is the 2020 election "that was stolen from Trump"

    The resources of big business and the state were thrown behind the Nazis' campaign to achieve saturation coverage all over Germany

    Trump got a lot of support from the business community, and the State Department worked on behalf of Trump, not the country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election

    To ensure a Nazi majority in the vote, Nazi organizations also "monitored" the vote process.

    Although the Republican Party was not allowed to use "poll watchers" for a while, they eventually got permission to do so.

    In 2016, with Trump claiming a "rigged" election, the Oath Keepers urged members to rush to the polls to monitor for voter fraud.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/10/26/oath-keepers-promise-patrol-polls-election-day

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    Yes, I wrote before about this "happening". Indeed there are many "movements" happening the same way as before WWII.

    However since this country did not have an real war on its soil since the civil war, then the people here have no notion at all what what the Nazi's did and how it came into being. Actually this country is asking for it, because of being "naive" about a lot of things related to the "history of the world". The French had it right after Napoleon and said :" l'Histoire ce repette" But due to the fact that people here never lived here under an"fascistic" reign, then they have no clue at all what it is and its effect.

    By electing an Trump guy, who's Dad marched in the streets of NY with the KKK, then such should be a warning, but not here. I'm afraid that indeed 1933 has returned but with "other modern advanced tools" to grab "power" . "Mein Kampf" was an "best seller" at its time, and an awful lot of it is being repeated about 90 years later, in an country which "closes its eyes" for "history" because of the "island" mentality and arrogance.

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    Yes, I agree with all the comments above. The events of 1993 led to the "Enabling Act of 1933" a law that could never have been passed except for the intimidation, threats and outright bullying by their leader and his cronies. There are several parallels that can be made with Trump's "January 6th" event.

    As the House Select Committee is getting closer to the truth, his cronies are now refusing to testify or pleading the 5th. Mark Meadows started cooperating, but then did a 180 degree turn back to Trump. I wonder what happened to change his mind -- possible threats against him and family, perhaps? We must remember that Trump is a sociopath with no conscience. He is ruthless in dealing with people -- he deals in dirt, manufactured or real. Why are so may otherwise moderate Republicans cowering in his presence? Hmmm...

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    Yes, I agree with all the comments above. The events of 1993 led to the "Enabling Act of 1933" a law that could never have been passed except for the intimidation, threats and outright bullying by their leader and his cronies. There are several parallels that can be made with Trump's "January 6th" event.

    As the House Select Committee is getting closer to the truth, his cronies are now refusing to testify or pleading the 5th. Mark Meadows started cooperating, but then did a 180 degree turn back to Trump. I wonder what happened to change his mind -- possible threats against him and family, perhaps? We must remember that Trump is a sociopath with no conscience. He is ruthless in dealing with people -- he deals in dirt, manufactured or real. Why are so may otherwise moderate Republicans cowering in his presence? Hmmm...

    During a phone call with a Taliban negotiator in early 2020, then-President Donald Trump threatened to wipe out the negotiator's hometown if the militant Islamist group threatened Americans or US interests, according to a new book by former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

    Meadows recalled Trump saying: "And your village, Mullah? We know where it is. We know it's the Weetmak village. If you dare lay hands on a single American, that will be the first thing that I destroy. I will not hesitate."

    If a world leader ordered a strike knowing that it would kill civilians, or intentionally targeted civilians, it could constitute a war crime.

    https://news.yahoo.com/mark-meadows-says-trump-threatened-192754440.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall