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Kentucky Gov refuses to accept election results

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    nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/besh...

    It is a close vote count, close enough that the current republican Gov has refused to leave office. He wants to get Trump's legal team to find a legal arguments that would force the state court to decide on having special election, on other words, a "Do Over". He has nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

    You can bet Trump is watching this closely because Trump has no plans to leave office if he loses in 2020. Trump will fight the 2020 election results to the SC, and let them decide. The SC could decide in his favor and give him the election, give Trump a D0-over, or rule against him. If he looses in 2020, he will not accept the election result, he will use (abuse) all his presidential powers to prevent his removal from office. The 1-2 days after loosing the election, Trump will hold campaign rally claiming "Its a fake election with fake election results by the deep state that rigged the election".... Trump wants the Gov of Kentucky to fight the election results as a trial run for what Trump will do when he looses in 2020. AKA make it huge mess that can't be sorted out.

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    Oh there's more...

    USA Today: Beshear vs. Bevin: Kentucky governor's race could be decided by state legislature

    Section 90 of the Kentucky state constitution states: "Contested elections for Governor and Lieutenant Governor shall be determined by both Houses of the General Assembly, according to such regulations as may be established by law." The legislature is Republican controlled.

    So Bevin can, for example, claim that "most of the votes that went to Libertarian John Hicks, who received about 2% of the total vote, would have gone to Bevin and made him the clear winner." However, he would have to provide evidence of such, or other compelling voter irregularities to make this or any other argument stick.

    The process is probably more political than legal, and any legal hurdles could be overcome by a persistent messaging...and including getting Trump into the act to declare that Bevin is the rightful winner. Just remember, Republicans are ruthless.

    "A candidate can file a formal election contest with the state legislature, but it must be filed within 30 days of the last action by the state board of elections. The state board is scheduled to certify the results of the race for governor on Nov. 25 this year."

    We'll see what happens!

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Oh there's more...

    USA Today: Beshear vs. Bevin: Kentucky governor's race could be decided by state legislature

    The process is probably more political than legal, and any legal hurdles could be overcome by a persistent messaging...and including getting Trump into the act to declare that Bevin is the rightful winner. Just remember, Republicans are ruthless.

    "A candidate can file a formal election contest with the state legislature, but it must be filed within 30 days of the last action by the state board of elections. The state board is scheduled to certify the results of the race for governor on Nov. 25 this year."

    We'll see what happens!

    kentucky.com/news/politics-government/a...

    From the reporting I've been reading, Republican leaders in Kentucky want to get rid of Bevin, even if they have to give the Gov to the Democrats. He is too much like a local version of Trump, willing to do Trump-like attacks on Teachers, police, and any other group that does not endorse him. If that reporting is valid, elected Republicans are willing to let the election stand just to get put Bevin on the sidelines.

    However, Bevin is likely to take Trump's advice, and find or create some reason that the election should be over turned. It is not about what is real or factual, its about what BS sticks to the wall and makes for great media coverage. Maybe there are 5001 votes that were determine to be invalid, or maybe Bevin claims the Deep State changed thousands of votes, who knows, its about finding something that peaks the interest of Kentuckians so their legislature feels they need to over turn the election.

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    On the issue of Republicans being Ruthless.

    Its a key difference between Republicans and Democrats, Republicans by nature are willing go below the ethical\legal line because they know Democrats, by their nature, don't like to cross the those lines. Trump is the epitome of that. Literally speaking, there is no line he's not willing to cross, he simply weighs the pro\cons to crossing any line. Example, he would have no problem with ordering assassinations of political opponents if the pros outweighed the cons. And no one would be surprised if he has already hinted around the edges about that such as jokingly saying "Life would be so much better if XXXX just disappeared. That would be worth a pardon if that ever happened...hahaha, just kidding of course"

    And if he were reelected, as many high profile people have already pointed out, Trump would become 100% unhinged not having to be concerned about his, or anybody else, reelection. It would be non-stop abuse of power for 4 years. He could for example, order the government to pay off all his business loans as businesses expenses of the Presidency, and Steve Mancunian would sign off on it, and Barr wouldn't pursue it. What can be done to stop him after election? Another impeachment? Yeah right, he would love have another one just to keep his teeth sharp and watch his republican allies hiding under the nearest rock.

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    Not to run too far off topic here, but if the 2020 presidential election ends up really close, Trump would probably not concede either.
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    The Republicans in Kentucky are urging Bevin NOT to contest the election.

    If he decides not to concede, Bevin can either recanvass or call for an election. The last time an election contest took place in Kentucky was 1899 when Democrat William Goebel challenged the result of a close election with Republican William Taylor. Goebel was fatally shot while the Democratic-led legislature deliberated over the election contest and was ultimately sworn in on his deathbed.

    https://wfpl.org/kentucky-lawmakers-urge-bevin-not-to-pursue-election-contest/

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    The political mindset is ugly in this country. Potus is going to be in Alabama for a football game. People have been warned that anything that might cause embarrassment will get them kicked out of the stadium and banned from the stadium for the balance of the season.

    Hmmmm

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    TJ Wrote:

    The political mindset is ugly in this country. Potus is going to be in Alabama for a football game. People have been warned that anything that might cause embarrassment will get them kicked out of the stadium and banned from the stadium for the balance of the season.

    Hmmmm

    Through proper channels communications, Trump was asked not to attend, but he did anyway. Just one of many times he either not invited, or asked not to attend.

    Simply stated, he is like the unpredictable old uncle that nobody wants to come to family gatherings (ie Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc) because he has a long history of ruining gatherings for everyone, and often family members end up not speaking to each other for months or years. When he does not attend, everyone gets along just fine. He always find ways to dig up old wounds, use racist language, make insulting comments, etc, etc, and seems to enjoy causing as much infighting as possible.

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    newsweek.com/kentucky-gov-matt-bevin-ac...

    I truly believe this is a good example of what will happen in 2020 when Trump looses the election.

    1) Trump looses the election.
    2) Trump refuses to accept election results and says he won't leave office. He'll claims election fraud without evidence.
    3) Trump will pressure Barr to publicly announce that the election contain frauds and declare national election is invalid.

    Goal: Delay long as possible and force the SC to make a ruling of somekind hoping that the SC will hand him the election or declare the entire national election invalid, and force a do-over.

    Then...

    While the SC is considering how to rule, Trump starts making phone calls to several SC justices just to say "Hi"

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    The thing what people here forget is the enormous waste of our tax money. He's on the "road" every day, costing fortunes on protection and aircraft operational cost. And no one blinks. The cost for having an President is astronomical; he did spent by now at least 200 million on himself. That is what you get of you don't make "laws" applicable for Presidents, let alone an job description in which the "limits/tasks" of the job are clearly described. Make that part of the "oath".

    Even better, make this an "parlementary" system (without Kings, Czars, Dictators etc.) with an "living" base law which is kept up to date ALL the time. Not something from 1789 and case laws, which give lawyers fortunes to twist and turn it forever.

    But yeah, the next President can even be more of an dictator if he is allowed to expand on all the things they allowed Trump to do, and don't implement what I described. What a country!!